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02/07/11 03:15 AM
Does he love Bowie more than me? (11/2003) [re: ] Reply to this post

Silky_Sally: I'm at a loss.

Diamond Dave would have touched down hours ago in Britain, where he is there to see his GOD in concert over the next couple of weeks, and he still hasn't phoned me.

When I first found out he was going (he won money on the races to pay for his trip) I was going to be very spiteful and air his dirty laundry about how much he owes me from his last Bowie trip to the US and hasn't paid me back (and then there was the time he 'borrowed' my credit card and I had to claim it all back as fraud).

I do trust him (call it love or something stupid like that), but I do wonder CAN A BOWIE OBSESSION GO TOO FAR?

Adam, since you're online can you phone me? I'm at home writing an article and miserable and lonely.


strangeDivine: I've been absent lately because I've been indulging my other very time consuming hobby; collecting memorabilia from 1970's black exploitation films. Plus some other emotional issues, not including a recent UFO siginting. I come here and everyone is now a moderator!!!! So my perspective is probably a bit off. But this person can't be real, huh? How do such people find each other? And more pertinent still: why doesn't the state do something about it?

So I carried the boat of incense then at Clongowes. I am another now and yet the same.


Myriada: Uh... I'd say your answers are "Yes" and then "No". Well, technically both should be "Yes", but I would be putting my own actions into question then.


96dbFreak:

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CAN A BOWIE OBSESSION GO TOO FAR?


I was just reading this when I got a phone call from 96dbWife to tell me that two CD packages had arrived for me in the mail. One from bowienet (liveandwell.com – which I got for joining Bowienet about 10 days ago – very impressive speed, guys) and one from SLC. She then asked me how much longer Bowie was going to be on tour. “Until about March, I think” I said. “So I’m going to have to put up with this obsession for at least that long, am I?” she asked. Hmmm, could be longer. Such is the fate of the partners of Bowie fans, I guess.

She often says “You love Dave (Bowie – not Diamond) more than me”, but she’s wrong. I don’t love Dave at all (well, maybe just a little bit) – but I greatly admire his art.

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Diamond Dave would have touched down hours ago in Britain….and he still hasn't phoned me.


Well, yeah, but it’s November in London and he’s just flown from sunny Brisbane. According to The Guardian website it’s “mostly cloudy with a high of 12 degrees Celsius”. He’s had to schlep from Heathrow to wherever it is he’s staying, paying exorbitant UK prices all the way, and all this after 24 hours + packed in to the economy class part of a Qantas jumbo. He’s probably completely buggered and freezing his ass off. Give the guy a break.


Strawman: Has he got a ticket for Wembley 26th already?

Only, I have one to shift - Block C3 - Row 11.


dukewhite: Beware all you Brits. After his visit there he will begin long hate threads about how awful your country and all its citizens are. So don't be nice to him while he's there. You'll get no gratitude.


Strawman:

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Beware all you Brits. After his visit there he will begin long hate threads about how awful your country and all its citizens are. So don't be nice to him while he's there. You'll get no gratitude.


Ha !!

Dukey's revenge post for my remarks on stiff, American audiences.



Just wait until you see the Wembley set-list.


dukewhite: That post was in no way a response to you, it was in reference to the string of America-hate threads and posts DD made a few months back, in which he sited his experience here in '02 for the Heathen gigs as evidence. I'm just waiting for the same thing after he returns from England.


strangeDivine: Also, talk about confusing ambiguous pronoun reference! I can't tell whether you are trying to determine which one of you likes Bowie better, or whether you are concerned that DD likes DB more than he likes you!


Cucumber:

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Just wait until you see the Wembley set-list.


All things Ziggee


stupidmike:

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She often says “You love Dave (Bowie – not Diamond) more than me”, but she’s wrong. I don’t love Dave at all (well, maybe just a little bit) – but I greatly admire his art.


Exactly. Je ne suis pas un artiste visuel, mais je suis un artiste auditoriel. J'aime beaucoup son art.


Persilot

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After his visit there he will begin long hate threads about how awful your country and all its citizens are


Subjects not citizens DukeWhite... Feel free to slag of our country, the whole point about being British is that we couldn't give a crap if you rag on us. We just laugh at the way everyone else takes the idea of nationhood so seriously. (Except the BNP, but they are wankers anyway.)


White Prism

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(Strange "my perspective is probably a bit off" Divine)
I can't tell whether you are trying to determine which one of you likes Bowie better, or whether you are concerned that DD likes DB more than he likes you!


Quite clearly, it's the latter.

In reply to:

(Silky "I got my knicker elastic tangled around my caps lock again" Sally)
CAN A BOWIE OBSESSION GO TOO FAR?


uh, yes.


nhynhuju: Hi

What's the ticket going for?

I am addicted after Lille and want more :p


Strawman: The ticket is going for face value fee of £46.00 to any fellow TWer.


dukewhite: Again Persilot, as I was trying to explain to Strawman, I was not saying that I have a problem with anyone, much less a whole nation. The point of this thread seemed to me to be DD's trip to the UK for El Bozza's concert(s) and I was only making a prediction about Dave's behavior in the months to come, after he has stayed at some of your places and gotten rides to gigs with you. It was not a slur I was making, at least not about anyone but DD.


Persilot: And I didn't mean to imply that you were targeting our great nation. I was mearly pointing out that if someone was to ever create a thread "God the UK sucks" or something like that, I would probably view it with wry amusement rather than with shocked outrage.

Also considering he is likely to be in the cesspit of corruption and overpriced drinks which is London, I feel he will probably be justified in many criticisms. God, but charging more than £2,50 for a pint of bitter should be a hanging offence. Anyway, originally I just wanted to point out that in Britain we are actually subjects and not citizens, since the Queen is head of state. Not that it makes any difference.


96dbFreak:

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…if someone was to ever create a thread "God the UK sucks" or something like that, I would probably view it with wry amusement rather than with shocked outrage.


Funnily enough I’ve seen a couple of Parkies in the last few days where both Ronan Keating and Robbie Williams were lamenting the fact that they’ve been unable to crack America, despite being bigger than a Great Dane’s bollocks everywhere else. Same goes for Sir Cliff and Kylie who have scored minor one-off hits in the US but have never been able to capitalise on that success (while being the best-selling artists of all-time in the UK). OK, Kylie’s an Aussie and Ronan’s a mick, but it’s the same diff as far as America is concerned…they just don’t get us.

Of course, there are the odd exceptions that prove the rule - The Beatles, The Stones, The Kinks, The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zep, Bowie, U2, Monty Python (but even the Germans liked them), Steve Irwin, Dame Edna, oasis, Crowded House - but essentially the American psyche, and concomitant with that, it’s sense of humour is alien to that of the Brit/Gaelic-influenced parts of the world. Similarly the things that America finds hilarious, eg Everybody Loves Raymond, barely raise a titter (ooh, missus) down our end of the pond. I blame the puritans. We kicked them out of Britain for being total pains in the arse so they sodded off to America and laid the groundwork for prohibition and Celine Dion. Bastards.


johnnysitar: Yes bloody Calvinists,there a much more literal people like the Germans never know how Monty Python caught on there!
Sir Cliff i think is still record holder for British males with most number of top 10 singles in UK charts,db is 2nd,how can onyone not fall head over with Kylie.


Siddhartha Gautama of Suburbia:<<<< Does he love Bowie more than me? >>>>

Any Bowie fan loves him more then his own life, mother, dog or anyone else......you'll have to live with it......

(...bullshit.....i'm not that obsessed...)


Starlite:

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Also considering he is likely to be in the cesspit of corruption and overpriced drinks which is London, I feel he will probably be justified in many criticisms. God, but charging more than £2,50 for a pint of bitter should be a hanging offence.


I would like to say that I was favorably impressed with London after my short vacation there this summer. Of course I expected exorbitant prices in comparison to the rest of Europe and wasn't disappointed, but even that wasn't too bad! The pub fare is quite good and on-budget, I don't see why people complain about "fish and chips," and the people are very nice. Especially vintage record shop owners, and especially when they pay for said overpriced drinks. The class system was sorta visible/annoying though.


SoulLoveChild:

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The pub fare is quite good and on-budget,


I think you'd better have your next holiday in Australia. The pommie pub fare is stodgy and obscenely overpriced compared to here, and I was there nearly 8 years ago. That went for all their food actually, but I was most disappointed in the pubs cos I thought they'd be good value.


Starlite: I guess it's all about expectations. I had expected to pay an arm and a leg, and they only took my fingers and toes.


JonnyManic:

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The pommie pub fare is stodgy and obscenely overpriced compared to here, and I was there nearly 8 years ago. That went for all their food actually, but I was most disappointed in the pubs cos I thought they'd be good value.


Is that your informed opinion after sampliong a large variety of pub meals in different areas of the country over a long period of time? Or were you just dissapointed not to be able to eat Marinated Marsupials?

Actually, I think pub food in Britain is generally quite cheap, it just depends on what sort of pub you go to. Chain pubs tend to have a big selection but its all frozen stuff. Smaller, "proper" pubs usually have home-cooked food at low prices. Either way, I wouldn't expect to pay more than about £5 for a meal and a drink in most places...


96dbFreak: Having been back in Britain twice in the last couple of years I must admit that the cost of living, especially in London, is considerable, particularly in comparison with Australia. But London/south-east England prices have always been higher than the rest of the country. You should try going oop north to the real England (where the prices are still higher than in Aus, but less than in London).

As to the food - it seems to be a popular comedy device among US talk-show hosts in recent years to rubbish British food and this idea has caught on (from people who don't understand food unless it's the "fast" variety). I don't know what the problem is with it. British cuisine is great. It's the best place in the world to get a Chicken Tikka Masala!


SoulLoveChild: I lived there for 3 months and travelled around the south of England a lot for work so it's a relatively informed opinion. BTW, I've never eaten marinated marsupials but I'd be willing to try if they were on offer. At least we have that option here.

I was living at Henley. A pub steak with vegies was about 12 pounds. That's equivalent to about $AUS30, which is what you pay for good restuarant steak here now. Here, you can get a good pub steak for around $18. In those days, whatever you paid for in pounds in the uk was about the same as $ here. So the pub steak was 12 pounds, and $12 here, though the exchange rate was more than double.

Also, in general, the quality of our meat is better. That's a product of cattle being brought up in healthy open outdoor spaces instead of being brought up in small muddy areas or sheds, which in turn makes them more prone to disease as has been proven in the last few years. I know I'm generalising a bit, but I've lived in rural Australia and rural England and I'm aware of farming practices unlike the majority of urban-based TWers

Of course, I'm pretty damn fussy, being married to a chef and all. I may be a poor student these days but I still eat well, I don't eat fast food and if I can serve up good food, I damn well expect it to be served up to me too!


SoulLoveChild:

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I must admit that the cost of living, especially in London, is considerable, particularly in comparison with Australia


And this is coming from someone who lives in Sydney where you can buy the biggest unliveable dump of a house in a grotty neighbourhood for over $1M so you can bulldoze it and spend another $1/2M building a McMansion!!


96dbFreak:

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...in Sydney where you can buy the biggest unliveable dump of a house in a grotty neighbourhood for over $1M so you can bulldoze it and spend another $1/2M building a McMansion!!


That is if you've got $1.5m to spare.

I must admit, SLC, that it would be difficult in Britain to, as you and I did in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago, sit down at a sidewalk café and be served a beautiful Asian salad or curry for next to no $, but equally, there are some country pubs in Yorkshire where you can pay next to nothing for the best damn steak I've ever tasted (even in Australia). And no one makes sausages as good as the Brits! And boy, do I miss Danish bacon. And why can't you buy decent black pudding in Australia? And why are the eggs so small? And why can't you get Jaffa Cakes or HP Sauce in squeezable bottles or cans of Red Stripe or Raisin and Biscuit Yorkies??? Eh? Eh?


SoulLoveChild:

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And no one makes sausages as good as the Brits!


Except my dad! He wins state and national awards for his sausages and his hams and lamb!

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And why can't you buy decent black pudding in Australia?


Didn't I already mention 'stodgy' food in this thread?!
(Ekkie Thump!!!)

You're right, it's not all bad over there by any means. It IS all terribly expensive though. But it's just cheaper, fresher, local and more readily available over here every single day, and we have some great restaurants which are reasonably priced too.
We can even get freshly picked herbs flown to Thredbo in 24 hours after ordering and don't have to pay a courier or through our back teeth for it!!

And you can't get Cherry Ripes over there, or minties, and look at what you have to pay for vegemite!!!

For some reason, it seems a lot of people in Sydney have a lot of money to spare on real estate. They've been saying the bubble is going to burst for about 4 years now but it just keeps getting bigger and bigger [confused emoticon].


96dbFreak:>> And why can't you buy decent black pudding in Australia?
> Didn't I already mention 'stodgy' food in this thread?!

Stodgy? It's made from blood. Pure protein, pet!


poorsoul:

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how can onyone not fall head over with Kylie?



Because she's ugly and talentless.


Spunkrat:

In reply to:

It's the best place in the world to get a Chicken Tikka Masala!


Next time you come down to Melbourne go to Kakki De Hatti, on Lygon St (in Brunswick) great Indian food. Very Cheap. Very Good.
Yum


SoulLoveChild:

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RE: Kylie
Because she's ugly and talentless


This here, folks, is the great example of the tall poppy, biased and small minded attitude of the 'general' aussie who likes to put down the fellow suburbanite because she made an effort and became MASSIVELY popular and is suddenly better off than everyone else in the burbs.

Sure, she's had her 'ugly' (>Charlene<) and 'talentless' (duets with Donovan) days, and I'm not saying I love her or buy her stuff, but I can at least acknowledge the talent she grew into in her own field of popular dance music.

poorsoul, I accept that you don't like her type of music, I don't buy into it either, but that was a pretty harsh and totally untrue statement you made there.


Persilot: Fish and chips are great if you find an excellent chippy. The best fish and chips I ever ate were from a small chippy in Newcastle, somewhere in South Gosforth (for those up on their Toon locations). My God, but I can taste them now. Fair enough I almost had a coronary heart attack, but that's not the point. I suppose taken to an extreme fish and chips become boring and unhealthy, but doesn't anything?

As for black puddings, they are great. In Bury we actually have a something called the annual black pudding contest. People go to the local pub and have to knock Yorkshire puddings off the roof of the pub by throwing black puddings... or something like that. I swear it's true.

I still maintain that a properly cooked Sunday Roast is the nicest thing in existance to eat. Unless you are a vegetarian of course. One of my friends was quite distressed when she went around to her boyfriends home in Yorkshire for the first time. She was vegetarian and they were farmers. Earlier in the morning she had been introuced to Tracy the cute cow. That evening everyone except her was tucking into their roast, when the dad made it known they were now eating Tracy. She was not impressed, but it made me laugh.


Starlite:

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She was vegetarian and they were farmers. Earlier in the morning she had been introuced to Tracy the cute cow. That evening everyone except her was tucking into their roast, when the dad made it known they were now eating Tracy.


Yeah, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. Vegetarianism, pshaw.

No, really, that is quite horrid. As a general rule, I refuse to be introduced to my food. And introductions to food that one will not even be partaking of are cruelly unnecessary.

Ugh. In some bizarre way, that anecdote has now reminded me of the time my friend got drunk, decided to let a pet snake out of its cage, and the snake ended up getting stuck in a doorframe. It could not be gotten out except for piece by piece.

Now, they didn't eat the dismembered snake after they got it out, but I'd almost say it'd have been preferrable (at least it was already dead...)

And did I ever mention that I've always wanted to try to eat snake? Oh well, too late now.

I've also perhaps not mentioned that I'm operating on 2.5 hours of sleep, but I think the body of this post makes it obvious.


Dan Dare:

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poorsoul, I accept that you don't like her type of music, I don't buy into it either, but that was a pretty harsh and totally untrue statement you made there.


What about the fact that her voice sounds like Minnie Mouse after a week-long bender of crack and cheap bourbon? The U.S. already has a singer like that - with perkier breasts - in Brittany Spears. We just don't need a saggy-tittied pop-tart like Kylie...

And people, people, people... the British are to food what Americans are to world peace.

Edited by Dan Dare on 11/11/03 03:31 PM (server time).


SoulLoveChild:

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I still maintain that a properly cooked Sunday Roast is the nicest thing in existance to eat


The only thing I'll disagree with there is that is doesn't have to be eaten necessarily on a Sunday Leg of tender lamb with rosemary, roasted chat potatoes, sweet potato, capsicum and garlic and some broccolini.... mmmmm.

Meat shouldn't be eaten on the day it's killed, it needs time to rest. Having said that though, an old boss of mine did kill a sheep for breakfast one day which I ate some of

Fish and chips are great, depending on where you buy them.

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone mention Kylie's tits. Usually her arse is in the limelight, even Bowie spoke of it on Rove recently!


Strawman:

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Leg of tender lamb with rosemary, roasted chat potatoes, sweet potato, capsicum and garlic and some broccolini.... mmmmm


I love garlic, but it shouldn't go anywhere near a traditional English roast; likewise the capsicum.

Rib of beef, hung for a couple of days, roasted in same tray as par-boiled potatoes & blanched parsnips.

Beef should be cooked medium-rare. Place all contents in another tray, add plain flour to juices in first tray to make a roux, then good red wine & beef stock for gravy.

Serve with :-

Steamed Brussel sprouts with fried julienne of smoked bacon & red onion, baton carrots boiled in vichy water, with hints of sugar, sea-salt & decent nob of butter, and the parsnips drizzled with Australian honey; The roast potatoes should be cooked until crispy.

Yorkshire puddings - Mine lift the top of the oven off, so i'm not giving you the recipe.

Horseradish sauce - Best made with fresh ingredients.

English mustard - Colmans of Norwich is a superb compliment to beef.

Pepper mill - Full of green peppercorns, at all times.

Finish with generous sprinkle of finely chopped parsley & drink a full bodied Rhone/Chateauneuf du pape.


SoulLoveChild: It's ok, Strawman, I know you're a chef and your recipe sounds delicious (even the brussel sprouts)

Mine's what I'd call a modern Australian roast as opposed to traditional English. That's what you get with the amount of mulitculturalism we get here. Whole roasted garlic (skin on) and roasted capsicum is superb with lamb. You should play around with it yourself and see if you enjoy!

Another tasty twist is to let your roast sweet potato or pumpkin sit in the saucepan with maple syrup for a little post-cooked marination before serving it up. Sounds gross but is seansational!!

Ideally to be drunk with an 82 Penfolds Bin 707, but they're pretty rare these days, I think we've almost finished the case!


SoulLoveChild: Now you should ask Adam about my fish marinade....


Cucumber: People, people! Fish marinade isn't gonna bring Sally's money back, neither her dignity.


SoulLoveChild: I know, I know, fish marinade doesn't look very good amongst all the dirty laundry being aired in this thread does it


johnnysitar: London is a complete rip off that`s true it is very expensive,i can quite believe £12 pounds,here in the East Midlands Lincolnshire and most places out of London you can get a good meal in a pub or Restaurant for £5.You don`t know what proper food is,no jaffa cakes or HP sauce !! i bet you havn`t even got pork pies? You lazy students in pubs stuffing your faces ,should be studying ! why don`t you have kangaroo and chips ? Prices here in UK are for many goods are far too high but our ticket prices for gigs are a lot cheaper.


96dbFreak:

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i bet you havn`t even got pork pies?


We do, but they're crap.

In reply to:

why don`t you have kangaroo and chips


Kangaroo is game. It doesn't really go with chips. I understand that you can buy kangaroo in Britain now anyway, n'est ce pas?


SoulLoveChild: I wonder if Diamond Dave's rung her yet, or if he's spent all his money on on expensive but apparently tasty pommie pork pies!

Stu, are you talking bought/frozen pork pies or homemade ones? I don't eat pork anyway (unless it's a fillet). That's one thing I'm missing about Jindabyne, the Thai green curry chicken pies. Now my mouth's watering....


Beltene: How can you people eat something that has eyes? That's like the greatest crime of all man.


SoulLoveChild: I don't eat the eyes, silly.
I don't eat rare animals that are in danger of extinction.
Do you wear leather shoes?

I eat a well rounded diet and I'm pretty damn healthy for it too


96dbFreak:

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Stu, are you talking bought/frozen pork pies or homemade ones?


In Britain you can go into any supermarket, butcher, corner shop or even motoway service station and buy a decent, perfectly edible, pork pie at a reasonable price. In Australia they are only available at the deli counter in Woolies or DJs and they are generally high-priced and low-quality.

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...Jindabyne...Thai green curry chicken pies


Sounds great!

It's ironic that the Australian national dish is the pie, and that you can buy loads of different kinds of really good pie here (my youngest daughter's favourite eatery is Harry's Cafe De Wheels or, "Harry's Famous Pies" as she calls it), but coming across a decent pork pie in Oz is almost impossible.


JonnyManic:

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Do you wear leather shoes?


I don't. But then, I don't eat or use material from slaughtered animals because, as anyone who is civillised should realise, raising animals to kill them is disgusting.

But then, I don't really feel the need to re-itterate this, I just feel comfortable in the knowledge that I'm better than those people who are less morally advanced than myself, and it's my role to guide you less evolved people towards enlightenment. Isn't it?


Wraith2: Word. See, while the rest of y'all are struggling with the concept of walking erect, Manic and I are busy transcending to the next level of human existence.

Furthermore, who'd have though that somebody who's not even capable of spelling out the word "people" could be such a...such a player?!


JonnyManic:

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Furthermore, who'd have though that somebody who's not even capable of spelling out the word "people" could be such a...such a player?!


Me?

Where did I mispell "people". And I'm hardly a player. Any fortune I've had with the fairer sex is consigned to the history books, it seems...


johnnysitar: I`m not telling any porkie pies now but i`m just sinking my teeth in to a really tasty Marks and Sparks (not woolies mind) porkie pie !! Does Diamond Dave have a ticket for db at Birmingham NEC 19th cause i`ve got a spare one ?
come on New Zealand


Wraith2:

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Me?


I was actually talking about Dave.


SoulLoveChild: I think I'll leave you two disillusioned ones to it. Once the word "civilised" (and YOU misspelt it!) starts coming from the mouths of vegos, you know this is going to start deteriorating into a classic TW slinging match. And I don't have time for that crap today.

Anyway, inspired by this thread I just bought myself some beautiful lean lamb chops for dinner. And I'll be laughing my head off as i think of you two proudly eating your lentils


JonnyManic:

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a classic TW slinging match. And I don't have time for that crap today


Well no, since you're far too dimwitted to ever dream of winning one.

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And I'll be laughing my head off as i think of you two proudly eating your lentils


At least there won't be a mess when it falls off, not like there's any brains inside that thick skull to splatter! But what you don't understand is that while you eat your dead flesh, stringy sinews, bloodvessels and all, laughing like the moron you are, I'm simply safe knowing I'm better than you! You are a sub-standard human being, like it or not, since you are failing to evolve beyond your petty urges and bloodlust.

Hey, one day, you might even make it out of your cave too!


SoulLoveChild: That's it! You've convinced me! How could I have been so stupid all along. Now I'm going to stop drinking wine too, cos it's so cruel to the grapes, as well as not eat anything that has been alive. Because that's just such a dumb and cavelike thing to do. I'm going to love all my little lettuces and tomatoes, cos i've loved them and cared for them and why the hell would I want to SHOCK HORROR "eat" them?

Thanks for the enlightenment Jonnymaniac, now my skull feels paper thin and it's all thanks to you and your SNAG view on life


strangeDivine:

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Now I'm going to stop drinking wine too, cos it's so cruel to the grapes


Yes, because grapes obviously have such a highly-developed central nervous system and are capable of processing pain. How dare those farmers stomp on them.


Starlite:

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And I'll be laughing my head off as i think of you two proudly eating your lentils


LENTIL SALAD
(Serves 5)

1 cup pre-cooked green lentils
1 cup pre-cooked orange lentils
1/2 cup celery, finely chopped
1 cup steamed green beans, finely cut
1/4 cup freshly chopped parsley

Dressing:
1 Tablespoon mild, prepared mustard
Salt and pepper to taste
Dash of lemon juice
1/2 cup reduced fat
Italian dressing
1 ripe tomato, cut into wedges
1/4 cup finely chopped chives
Small head of lettuce, shredded

In a salad bowl, mix cooked lentils, celery, green beans, and parsley. Combine dressing ingredients in a small bowl. Toss lentil mixture with dressing and serve on shredded lettuce. Garnish with tomato wedges and chives.
Serve with crusty whole wheat bread.


SPICY LENTIL AND PEPPER SAUCE FOR PASTA OR RICE
(Serves 4)

1 Tablespoon olive oil
1 large onion, finely chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 cup green and red bell pepper, finely chopped
1 large tomato, diced
1 cup vegetable juice
1 cup pre-cooked lentils
2 cooked, peeled hot chilies, finely minced (canned or fresh)
Pinch of basil
Salt and pepper to taste

In a deep pot, sauté onions, garlic, and peppers in heated olive oil. Stir often. Cover and reduce heat to low, add tomato and juice, and simmer for 20 minutes. Add cooked lentils and seasonings (including chilies). Heat thoroughly before serving. If the mixture seems too dry at any time, add a few spoonfuls of water.
Serve sauce over cooked pasta or brown rice.


LENTILS CURRIED WITH RHUBARB AND POTATOES
(Serves 4)

1 cup dry "orange" lentils
1 very large sweet potato, peeled and sliced
1 Tablespoon oil
1 cup rhubarb, diced
2 Tablespoons liquid sweetener
1 Tablespoon curry powder
1 teaspoon ginger root, grated
1 teaspoon hot red chili powder
Salt and pepper to taste
1/4 cup shredded coconut

Cover lentils with water in a deep pot. Bring to a boil, reduce heat and add raw sweet potato slices. Simmer until soft (about an hour). Remove from heat, drain, and set aside.

Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Heat oil in a skillet. Once hot, add rhubarb. Reduce heat and cook until tender. Stir in sweetener and seasonings. Mix with drained cooked lentils and potatoes that have been mashed together with a fork. Pour into a oven-proof dish and bake at 400º until piping hot (about 20 minutes). Garnish with coconut. Serve with chutney and a big bowl of brown rice.

(http://www.vrg.org/recipes/lentils.htm)

I don't know, it doesn't sound so bad to me!

Though admittedly, if I had to feed a vegan, I'd go more with Roast Peppers with Fennel, Roasted Vegetables with Garlic and Rosemary, Thai green curried tofu, Stuffed Chinese Black Mushrooms, and Creole Pattypan Squash.

And it'll keep ya nice and trim, too.



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96dbFreak:

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i`m just sinking my teeth in to a really tasty Marks and Sparks (not woolies mind) porkie pie !!


Ah well, unfortunately Mr Sitar we don't have M&S over here, but you might be interested to learn that Woolworths Australia is a supermarket, rather than a variety store, - along the lines of Tescos or Sainsbury's.

Oh, and Mr Maniac, if humans aren't meant to eat meat, why did God (in her infinite dental wisdom) give us canines?

BTW, I love lentils. I'm a big fan of dhal.


Adam: I am yet to sample the Strawman menu, but I attest that SoulLoveChild's fish maranade is fecking brilliant.

sonofsilence and WildWind can also both whip up great meals within no time.

That's the extent of my TW Chef test.

OK, carry on.....


guiltpuppy: Sometimes when I am eating veal I hire a prostitute to hide under the table and make little muffled lamb noises.


RabbitFighter: You too?!


Tristan:

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This person can't be real, huh? How do such people find each other? And more pertinent still: why doesn't the state do something about it?


What's even funnier is how this thread turned into a food thread.


Spunkrat:

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That's the extent of my TW Chef test.


Hey! What about my oven-heated garlic bread?


sonofsilence: actually did I mention that DD is staying at my place for 2 days whil ehe goes to the gigs in London?


Myriada:

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because grapes obviously have such a highly-developed central nervous system and are capable of processing pain.


Actually, plants are more aware than most people realize. I've heard that studies have shown that if you set two plants side by side, and then proceed to rip up one of them, the other plant will have a very detectable chemical reaction in it. As a "civilized" person, I know that we can survive without eating meat, and I admire those who choose to forgo it. However, I don't condemn those who do not give up meat, either. We are all a part of "nature" no matter how detached from it we like to think of ourselves. And nature can be a whole lot crueler than we are. But then, is it really evil when a pack of wolves kills a baby deer? The wolves have to eat too. What about the baby wolves? But I digress. So long as the animals are treated with a certain amount of dignity and respect, I have no problem with raising them to eat.


Starlite:

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Sometimes when I am eating veal I hire a prostitute to hide under the table and make little muffled lamb noises.


Now that is sick! Why would you have her make lamb noises while eating baby cows?!

Be a proper man and have her moo, goddammit.


Persilot:

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Yes, because grapes obviously have such a highly-developed central nervous system and are capable of processing pain. How dare those farmers stomp on them


Well the grapes usually get their revenge... sooner or later they take down some poor sucker, either by making him so drunk he does something extremely foolish (no comment) or leaving him feeling like someone is sandpapering the inside of his mouth and beating his head with a hammer.

So I say fair enough.


Dan Dare: I'm a Level 6 vegan. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.


LeahRose: I think some obsessions are going too far if they're hurting the ones you love.

Extreme fandom can be a really selfish personal fetish... I know when I moved in with Matt I had to tone my obsessiveness down and be more considerate of him sharing my life...

I guess what I mean is there's always a compromise. I don't think Dave loves Boz more than he loves you, I think maybe he just needs a talking to.

PM me sal if you're still lonely and wanna chat/ hook up.
x
Leah


dukewhite:

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I don't think Dave loves Boz more than he loves you, I think maybe he just needs a talking to.


And I think "boz" is a stupid thing to call Bowie, no matter how many times you or DD or anyone else tries it. So please stop.


JonnyManic:

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That's it! You've convinced me! How could I have been so stupid all along.


Because you're a really fucking stupid person, obviously! That's hardly brain surgery...

You're arguments regarding vegetables are all very... well, not funny, you're about as funny as a tumour, but at least if you really believe that there's no difference between plants and living, breathing, walking animals, then I feel far more comfortable considering you an idiot wasting world resources. In fact, you're a bit of a vegetable yourself!

Never mind the fact that our desire for dead meat is part of the reason that vast numbers of people in this world are unable to eat because of the massive amount of agricultural produce needed to feed the animals slaughtered for your benefit. The ratio for crops to beef is 7:1! 7lbs of grain for every 1lb of beef. How does your animal carcass taste when you know that people are dying to feed you're primitive, unevolved tastes?

And as for other arguments talking about killing and eating animals being "part of nature", should we in that case walk naked, live in caves and take what we want? Should we rape women to further our genetic line? Personally, I don't think so. But hey, it's funny for some people that more advanced people choose not to eat flesh while they enjoy it. I'm sure that I'd "physically" appreciate forcing myself on a woman, but I don't do it because I think that it's wrong. Maybe one day idiots like yourself will realise that harvesting living creatures simply to kill and eat them is also a deplorable act. I don't hold out much hope for you though. You seem to lack any opinion on anything that doesn't concern your Ozzie friends, or Bowie visiting downunder. Must be horrible to think that one day, you'll be dead and you'll have done nothing for the world and no-one will give a shit!


LeahRose: Ok I'll stop Dukewhite, but only if you please stop being a fuck-haired arsehole.


SoulLoveChild: Hey, your life must be so dark and lonely with your head that far up your arse. Your superiority complex is something to behold for us mere mortals who live normally and not in our own little worlds with our head in the clouds of how far advanced we are in the scheme of things.

You've made a choice, I accept it. I don't live by it, so what? Neither do the majority of us. I didn't think being a vegan/vegetarian equalled being a nasty, self-centered prick with an ego the size of Africa and as much personality as an ant's toenail but man, you really proved me wrong.


Strawman:

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I'm sure that I'd "physically" appreciate forcing myself on a woman, but I don't do it because I think that it's wrong.


Yet you Welsh guys have no guilt when it comes to restraining sheep; I bet you only turned vegetarian when the farmer killed your favourite one.


riley: bit creepy him posting his rape fantasies up anyway- maybe he thinks it's wrong because woman don't go 'baaaaaaa..'


Persilot:

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You're arguments regarding vegetables are all very... well, not funny, you're about as funny as a tumour


Isn't a tumour another name for a type of bulbous vegetable?


Starlite: Sheep jokes are passé.


Strawman:

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Sheep jokes are passé.


So is drug use, but people will always derive pleasure from them.


strangeDivine:

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Isn't a tumour another name for a type of bulbous vegetable?


You're thinking of "tuber." If you had been correct, though, it would definitely be clear why it is the less common name.


Persilot: Whoops, you're quite correct. I've got that scrabble feeling, where you think you've come up with a really clever word then everyone laughs at you. Sigh, sometimes one is so desperate to find a pun one will go to any lengths.

Just trying to lighten up what otherwise could become one of those dreadfully boring vegetarians vs meat eater threads, with vast amounts of "[quotes]" boring facts and falling outs. And in the end no one really convinces anybody except themselves and the side they are on.


ohramona: I had a tumor once, well actually I've had tumors more than once, but I'm talking about the one that I actually saw. It looked nothing like a tuber. It looked like one of those gumballs with little bumps all over it that you use to be able to get out of gumball machines. It was white with red streaks in the little valleys between the bumps, blood I suppose. The doctor showed it to me after she removed it. I was under the influence of quite a bit of valium at the time. I wonder if that influenced my thoughts, because what with the tumor looking like a gumball, I was really wondering what it would feel like if I snatched it from that white styrofoam cup and chomped down on it. I was very mad at that ugly little tumor. I would have liked for it to explode like a cherry tomato. I would have been very disappointed if it had mushed like a hush puppy. It's all moot though. I didn't bite my tumor. I am a vegetarian after all, and I didn't want to freak out my doctor too badly.


Dan Dare: That's the single most disgusting thing I've ever read!

I was just debating whether to have lunch or get a haircut. I've now made up my mind.


strangeDivine:That reminds me of a story my mother told me once about some cousins (this was during the 50's) keeping some expelled intestinal parasites in a jar for a long time. I wish we had an icon of a smiley face vomiting. It really would come in handy!


shyster: Was your lover aware of this tumor?

NEXT!


dukewhite: had you eaten your tumor it would have been very Cronenbergian/Lynchian. And awesome!!! My great-grandfather kept his hip in a jar on a shelf for years til they tore his house down. He had a problem with them just throwing it out, so even though he couldn't use it anymore, he wanted to have it around. He is also an alcoholic, so that might explain a few more things.


JonnyManic: You see, SLC, in my initial post, I wasn't looking to start an argument. However, if you're that lacking in any sense of humour that you can take a line like "it's my role to guide you less evolved people towards enlightenment. Isn't it?" as anything other than a throwaway jibe, then frankly, you deserve everything you get. Compounded by the fact that you resort to pointing out a spelling mistake, the most pathetic crticism and last resort of the twat without a leg to stand on, I just thought I'd put across my slightly "beefed up" views, if you pardon the pun. However, I'm always glad to have an argument, especially when I know I'm right (like, always!)

As for my ego, whatever, I bow to your powers of transglobal obsevation. As to being self centred: Do my eating habits fundamentally undermine the health of millions of people? No. Do yours? And I can usually take a jibe about personality with the best of them, but when it comes from a vacuous non-entity such as youself, it brings a particular sense of satisfaction.

Next we start eating people with mental retardation, after all, they aren't as intelligent as most people... Watch your back, SLC!

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riley: bit creepy him posting his rape fantasies up anyway- maybe he thinks it's wrong because woman don't go 'baaaaaaa..'


Sure, go for a lazy cheap shot since in the last thread in which you tried to take me on, you ended up sounding like a retarded, homophobic reactionary. Oh wait, you are...

AND I FUCKING LOVE SHAGGING SHEEP!!!.

So there.


Dan Dare:

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AND I FUCKING LOVE SHAGGING SHEEP


Please tell me you use a lambskin condom while doing so!


96dbFreak:

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>Isn't a tumour another name for a type of bulbous vegetable?

You're thinking of "tuber."


Isn’t that a brass musical instrument?

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sometimes one is so desperate to find a pun one will go to any lengths



xray_yak:

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Do my eating habits fundamentally undermine the health of millions of people? No.


Well yes actually. Don't you think livestock farmers and the thousands of people in associated trades are suffering enough? Oh and please spare me the 'they should use the land to grow vegetables' bollocks, these people have families (to support) who have been farming this way for generations. They simply know no nothing else, and why should they?..........So twats like you can lose brain cells thru an insufficient diet whilst forming bigoted opinions?


JonnyManic:

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Oh and please spare me the 'they should use the land to grow vegetables' bollocks, these people have families (to support) who have been farming this way for generations. They simply know no nothing else, and why should they?


Yet another braindead argument that simply favours extending the staus quo. If this "theory" was applied to everything, there'd never be any social progression. "Why should they"? Because they have to, for the sake of progression. I'm sure you're closed little mind is talking about farmers in the developed world who are facing a tough time because of downturns in agricultural industry. I'm certain you're concerns aren't lying with the millions more people who are systematically starved by a comination of this criminal misuse of land and the obscene levels of government subsidies given to these farmers in Europe and America. These susbsidies are breaking the back of the developed world, especially those areas where World Bank and IMF rules dictate that they should grow for Western markets rather than for their own subsistance.

Global Inequality: Unfortunately, there’s no getting around the fact that our overuse of world resources is connected to other people’s lack of access and food is no different. We overeat and eat foods that use up more land space than the foods most southerners traditionally eat. As humans we are omnivorous meaning that we can process both plant and animal foods. But when we eat animal protein, we are in effect eating more grain that if we were to eat the grain directly:
It takes 2.5kilos of grain to produce 1k of poultry
It takes 4kilos of grain to produce 1k of pork
It takes 7kilos of grain to produce 1k of beef
That means that if there are indeed 3,600 grain calories per person produced in the world, we’re eating more than our share by consuming large quantities of meat. North Americans eat approximately 115 kilos of meat per person per year. If we want to ensure everyone has a fair share, we are going to have to change our eating habits so as to reduce the pressure on grain supplies and arable land both at home and abroad. Unfortunately, all we’re doing at the moment is exporting our ‘way of life’ to the elites in the south in order to sell more of our goods and services. We will reach the carrying capacity of the planet if we believe the way forward is a McDonalds at every crossroads. Our diet is unsustainable ecologically and morally.

FACT: If everyone on the planet ate like us, we would need 3 extra planets to produce the grain to feed to the animals.

The full article is here

Now, you small minded little twat, who's the person discriminating against vast tracts of the world's population?


xray_yak: Believe me taff, I have common sense whereas yours appears to have been taken over by a grand delusion of intellect. Common sense usually prevails in the long term, trouble is you read like a budding politician and they sure know how to fuck things up with their intelligence.
Thanks for the article btw, saved a heap of superflous cut and pasting on your behalf.

So your take on social progression is not to eat meat?


JonnyManic:

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So your take on social progression is not to eat meat?


No, pea brain, but my point is that using the pathetic argument that people shouldn't change their farming methods because "they've always done that" is utterly backwards. That argument can be used to defend any antiquated way of life, ways that need to change and adapt to fit in the modern world. That's why defending the staus quo just because "it's always been that way" is a barrier to social progression. And makes you sound like the complete spaz that you are.


xray_yak: Okay MP Taffy, what are your proposals? How should we modify are meat-eating ways? I'm all for solving the worlds problems regarding this matter. You're obviously in the know so spread your wisdom.

As wide as your mother spreads her fat Welsh legs.


JonnyManic:

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How should we modify are meat-eating ways?


Stop them. Simple enough? Its not just a matter of world hunger. its a matter of not eating dead animals that have been born and killed simply for you to eat. That doesn't sound even slightly disturbing to you as a "civilised" person. Shit, even when I was eating meat the whole notion of an industry of slaughter was off-putting. Hence the change.

Of course, solving the world's problems doesn't come about by giving up meat. But it's part of the struggle, and not eating meat makes you less complicit in the situation.

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As wide as your mother spreads her fat Welsh legs


Ooh, did you think of that all by yourself? Or did the rest of the family help out? You know, your Mother-Aunty and her Brother-Husband. Anyway, my mothers not Welsh, shitbrain.

An Apology To Soul Love Child
Yep thats right. I was going to PM this but then I realised that it would be better placed where everyone can see it. Yeah so I think you're as boring as an episode of Will And Grace, but that's no excuse for being as nasty to you as I was. Sorry for the overly-harsh words. Although the general crux of me being best is still valid.


riley: sweetheart- as i tried to tell you before i'm not homophobic; i couldn't care less what other people do and i don't think sexual orientation a big deal.. you on the other hand 'would physically appreciate forcing' yourself on a woman? thats has nothing to do with vegetarianism.. you just said it because you know it's a subject most women are sensitive to and knew it would antagonise. dickhead.


soho_beatnik: Wow...a professional bastard. Haven't come across one of those since working for lawyers.

Erm, Sally just wanted to contact Dave because they're having problems. So how about we all just...FUCK OFF!


xray_yak:

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Stop them. Simple enough? Its not just a matter of world hunger. its a matter of not eating dead animals that have been born and killed simply for you to eat. That doesn't sound even slightly disturbing to you as a "civilised" person. Shit, even when I was eating meat the whole notion of an industry of slaughter was off-putting. Hence the change.

Of course, solving the world's problems doesn't come about by giving up meat. But it's part of the struggle, and not eating meat makes you less complicit in the situation


How disappointing, even Blair makes more profound statements than that. Anyway, I don't believe the worlds abstinence from meat consumption is part of any kind of struggle while "civilisation" is busy blowing itself away for the sake of mightier and even lesser issues than you address, in fact I think your notion would be the causation of further worldwide conflict, let alone famine.

I know you mean well, Taff, but next time you're strutting thru the desolate valleys in your stinky plastic shoes, eyeing up the sheep, try conjuring up something more insightful regarding global strife. Better still, go stuff 2 or 3 leeks up your arse and shut the fuck up.

Fucking hippy.


Dan Dare:

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Stop them. Simple enough?


And Voila! A well-intentioned leftist is magically transformmed into a fascist, cracking the skull of any farmer who dares to feed a cow!

No, you wouldn't advocate that. You'd send the poor fools off to a "re-education" clinic. Those who refused to allow their minds to be washed would be sent to Room 101.




JonnyManic:

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How disappointing, even Blair makes more profound statements than that


You truly are limited in the thinking department. I was simply talking about how meat-eating effects the levels of world hunger. I'm hardly going to rattle out a plan of action for solving every problem in the world on the whim of some penis who needs to rely on overt racism to try and get his weak-minded points across. I'm actually working on a broad ranging plan for social change with a group of colleagues (and they aren't even veggies!) that is being funded to, inevitably, be cast aside by those "in the know" to maintain the status quo of the rich getting richer and the poor being downtrodden. But things like that take time to research and debate properly, they don't get stuck on a board for a thick-as-shit nob like you to look at and drool over in incomprehension.

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Dan Dare: And Voila! A well-intentioned leftist is magically transformmed into a fascist


No, you misunderstand. I meant we should stop our meat eating ways, not stop other people eating or producing meat. It's just like when I say we should stop racism, I don't mean we should smash in the skulls of people who disagree. That might be what they would do, but that's not the point. All I encourage is education leading to reform, not forcing ideas on people in an undemocratic way.


Silky_Sally:'Bowie' and 'Me' are OBJECTS of the sentence.

If I was referring to how much I liked Bowie I would have said:

Does he love Bowie more than I do?

I am an editor for a living, so just fuck off with your net-geek trivialities. Some things are more important.


RabbitFighter: There are only few things that you´re not allowed to commit in TW and telling StrangeDivine to fuck off just happens to be one of them!

We are all very sorry to hear that Dave chooses wanking while watching his Bowie videos (perfectly normal thing to do) over your pleasant company but seriously, you´re the one person who should fuck off.
Do the reasonable thing, beat the living shit out of Dave instead of whining about him here at TW.
No need to pay me, my relationship counselling is free...


96dbFreak:

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If I was referring to how much I liked Bowie I would have said:
Does he love Bowie more than I do?


Actually, it would be better if it were:

Does he love Bowie more than I?

But I'm a writer for a living, so I guess I'm just picky. Talking of being picky though Sally, picking up on grammatical errors at TW is like complaining about grass being green. It'll get you nowhere.

So, has DD called you yet?


Silky_Sally: Thanks Leah.

And thanks everyone else for degenerating this post into a discussion about food.

He lied to me about going to England. I have since found out he went straight to France. He lied to me about how long he would be away for and how many concerts he would be going to. Do I stay with him or do I kick him out on his ear?

Dave is an Anglophile anyway, so you can stop worrying about whether he will be doing any Brit-bashing. He worships the dog-shit kissed pavements you walk on.


96dbFreak:

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Do I stay with him or do I kick him out on his ear?


Looks like DD will find some burning bridges when he gets back to Brissy.


Silky_Sally:Hi Stu,

Someone was picking up on my grammar, which I thought was kind of inappropriate in the situation.

If I cared about spelling and grammar do you think I'd be going out with David (evil slight). (sorry)

I thought that 'me' was always the object and 'I' always the subject in sentences, but there you go.

MORE IMPORTANT THINGS: Yes, he has phoned and he reckons he is coming back all chastened. I hope this is true. He has really wronged me.

Monkeyboy: Just if you were wondering.



96dbFreak:

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Yes, he has phoned and he reckons he is coming back all chastened. I hope this is true. He has really wronged me.


Knowing both of you personally, as I do, I have this disturbing image of DD being greeted by you in leather and chains and carrying a large bullwhip, which I'm certain is not your style, but I get the feeling that Dave wouldn't dare object.


Silky_Sally: Yeah well, maybe if he's lucky.


Monkeyboy:

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I am an editor for a living


What backwater High School newspaper would trust your writing skills?


Silky_Sally: Well I'm glad you can go to sleep at night knowing you're such a nice person.


Monkeyboy:

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Well I'm glad you can go to sleep at night knowing you're such a nice person.


Actually I can't sleep at all. Its terribly cold and lonely. So dark. Living in my own filth and just wishing that someone would love me. Thats all I want. That and my "binkie". Often, the only warmth in my life is the tears running down my cheeks. Lonely tears...why have I pushed everyone away?

Honestly, though, if you really did work as an editor you would have taken the very obvious and (dare I say it) generous opportunity I gave for you to make us all look stupid. It could have gone something like this:

Me: Stupid, stupid, poopy, bad newspaper poopy, poopy.
You: Actually Mr. Jackass, kind sir, I work as an editor for the highly respected USA Today. I'm head of pie charts and bar graphs.
Me: Wow! you certainly made me look dumb!
You: Yes I did.

See how that happens? You can still do it. Sorry, but I just feel the need to point out when I think someone smeared a little too much bullshit on a thread. But, really, what better opportunity to bust my balls? If I'm not on to something, that is.

Your reaction makes me think that I might be.


RabbitFighter:

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Its terribly cold and lonely.


So did the Natalie Portman lookalike find out how poor you are?


EtherealFantasy:

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She often says “You love Dave (Bowie – not Diamond) more than me”, but she’s wrong. I don’t love Dave at all (well, maybe just a little bit) – but I greatly admire his art.


I think that most hardcore fans of any artist can sometimes be questioned by their significant others. In the past, I have seen people missplace my fandom for lust, which was not the case.

I am sure Dave loves you. There might be something else going on. Some underlying something. I would be more concerned about the "borrowed" credit card and money that was never paid back, and that he is now in another country spending more money when he still owes you. You that he loves.

What the heck is up with this darn thread? It goes from love and betrayel to food, to recipe's and rape? How the heck did this happen?

Would you like to come out and play tonight?


96dbFreak:

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She often says “You love Dave (Bowie – not Diamond) more than me”, but she’s wrong. I don’t love Dave at all (well, maybe just a little bit) – but I greatly admire his art.


I am sure Dave loves you.

Er, Dave loves Sally, but the quote was mine. Confused?


guiltpuppy:

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He lied to me about going to England. I have since found out he went straight to France. He lied to me about how long he would be away for and how many concerts he would be going to. Do I stay with him or do I kick him out on his ear?



This is the kind of shit that keeps me single.

A) Why did he feel the need to lie to you about it in the first place? Would you have not "let him go" if he'd told you the truth? Since when is it your choice what he can and can't do?

B) Why is this a hard decision for you? He lied, the appropriate response is like "goddamnit, don't lie to me, bitch." And that's that. It's not like he lied to you about anything serious... If he'd gone straight to say, Cambodia, and had sex with a lot of children, then you send his ear to the floor.

Really, the only advice I can give you is: Be realistic about it. There's worse things in the world than being a big David Bowie fan.

Oh, and he probably does love David Bowie more than you. He probably loves Judge Wopner from the People's Court more than you. This is the world we live in. Deal.


RabbitFighter:

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If he'd gone straight to say, Cambodia, and had sex with a lot of children


That sounds like what any selfrespecting Gary Glitter fan would do on holiday season.


Silky_Sally: A) Why did he feel the need to lie to you about it in the first place? Would you have not "let him go" if he'd told you the truth?

I would never have "not let him go". I quite happily said goodbye to him when he left.

It's all this OTHER stuff I've found out AFTER the fact that's upset me - such as lies about where he got the money - he told me he won $2,500 and that he'd been paying back his debts, when actually he'd been hoarding the money all this time. Aren't I stupid? Yes, I think it's called 'trust' or something.

The reason he felt he had to lie was because he knew in his heart he was doing something wrong. He couldn't admit it to me. His justification for seeing Bowie and not paying me back was "you'll be around for ever and Bowie won't be". Well that's assuming a lot, isn't it? And what is it you say David, assumption is the mother of all fuck ups?

Yeah, I know there are worse crimes. I know David loves me (more than Bowie). He has a billion good points and in a thousand ways I am so lucky to have him - he tells me he loves me a hundred times a day, and I know not that many girls get this. He just needs a goddamn reality check. And he needs to know not to hurt the one you love, and not to fuck around with somethig precious.

Since when is it your choice what he can and can't do?

Never. It's his choice. It's been his choice all along. It's his choice to pay me back like a grown-up instead of running off like a selfish, irresponsible child.

It's his choice to tell me the truth instead of putting our relationship in doubt.

B) Why is this a hard decision for you?

It's not really a hard decision. Just things need to change for a relationship to grow in a healthy way. I mean, come on, the things he did (like the credit card 'borrowing', for instance) are unacceptable. And in no way should lying be introduced into a relationship. Sorry guys, it's just not on. Just cos you're a bit better behaved than a child molester doesn't give you the excuse to walk all over somebody.

Anyway, why is your name guiltpuppy???

You got a story there?

Cucumber:

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I would never have "not let him go". I quite happily said goodbye to him when he left


I'm sure you can find something better.


SoulLoveChild: What exactly are you trying to prove my coming to TW (where Dave has been hanging out for years) to bitch about Dave's money habits? What's the point?

Wouldn't it be more mature to deal with your own problems face to face with Dave rather than bitching about him where you know he's going to read it (that's a childish tactic) and sharing your problems with a bunch of Bowie fans? Sorry to be harsh, but this is a really bizarre thread topic. It's one thing to be upset and asking advice on a relationship, but a totally different thing to be airing out money problems here. It's making you look a bit silly - it's obvious to me at least you either leave him or at least give him an ultimatum. Or go to a family counselling website.


Beltene: I don't know about Silky, but Dave has to be the last man I'd ever date. He was hitting on my boyfriend fer fucks sake.

God, I love TW soap operas.(as long as my name's not in it)


Silky_Sally: Yeah, you're right.

It's just I can't talk to him face to face as I don't know where he is. And I thought a public humiliation was what he deserved.

The ball's in his court.

I'll crawl off now.


SoulLoveChild: Hey, you don't have to go crawling off now. Just hold your head high... make him want to come back (you don't need to accept him!), make him jealous. Go for the foxy lady approach , not the backstabbin' approach.


dukewhite:

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And I thought a public humiliation was what he deserved.


Your damn right! And I love that it was done on TW, and that he has posted many times on here from the road and has yet to make an appearance on this thread to refute your claims. It seems to me he's fine with the allegations and the ending of the relationship. Good job, there, Dave.




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