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NoGame
(acolyte)
07/13/04 12:43 PM
World Cup 2006 - Future Legend  

While the Euro 2004 is just a few weeks over, and the Coppa America is still going on, we surely can look ahead at the most exciting event to come in only two years. Here are the groups, what do we think? Discuss!

Group 1
Finland
Netherlands
Romania
Armenia
Czech Republic
F.Y.R. Macedonia
Andorra

Group 2
Albania
Denmark
Greece
Turkey
Georgia
Ukraine
Kazakhstan

Group 3
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Portugal
Estonia
Latvia
Russia
Slovakia

Group 4
Cyprus
France
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Switzerland
Faroe Islands

Group 5
Italy
Norway
Scotland
Belarus
Moldova
Slovenia

Group 6
Austria
England
Northern Ireland
Poland
Wales
Azerbaijan

Group 7
Belgium
Spain
Serbia and Montenegro
San Marino
Lithuania
Bosnia-Herzegovina

Group 8
Bulgaria
Hungary
Iceland
Malta
Sweden
Croatia

NoGame

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
07/13/04 12:48 PM
The Host's Prerogative new [re: NoGame]  

As Germany doesn't have to qualify I'll give myself a little longer to think about this. You go first.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Strawman
(stardust savant)
07/13/04 12:59 PM
Re: World Cup 2006 - Future Legend new [re: NoGame]  

What about the Concacaf, Oceania, Asian, Sth American & African qualifiers?

I'm hoping for a better advert for football in the next World Cup than that of the recent dire performances of the European sides in Portugal. Yes, including England.

Q: What do you call an Arsenal fan in a suit?
A: The accused.

Dara
(acolyte)
07/13/04 01:03 PM
Re: World Cup 2006 - Future Legend new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

Group 1
Finland
Netherlands
Romania
Armenia
Czech Republic
F.Y.R. Macedonia
Andorra


Winners: Czech Republic
Runners up: Netherlands (who will advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Romania

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Group 2
Albania
Denmark
Greece
Turkey
Georgia
Ukraine
Kazakhstan


Winners: Greece
Runners up: Denmark (who will probably advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Turkey

In reply to:

Group 3
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Portugal
Estonia
Latvia
Russia
Slovakia


Winners: Portugal
Runners up: Russia (who will probably advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Latvia

In reply to:

Group 4
Cyprus
France
Republic of Ireland
Israel
Switzerland
Faroe Islands


Winners: France
Runners up: Ireland (who will not advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Swizerland

In reply to:


Group 5
Italy
Norway
Scotland
Belarus
Moldova
Slovenia


Winners: Italy
Runners up: Slovenia (who will not advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Norway

In reply to:

Group 6
Austria
England
Northern Ireland
Poland
Wales
Azerbaijan


Winners: England
Runners up: Poland (who will not advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Wales

In reply to:

Group 7
Belgium
Spain
Serbia and Montenegro
San Marino
Lithuania
Bosnia-Herzegovina


Winners: Spain
Runners up: Belgium (who will probably not advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Serbia

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Group 8
Bulgaria
Hungary
Iceland
Malta
Sweden
Croatia


Winners: Sweden
Runners up: Croatia (who will probably advance in playoffs)
Dark horses: Bulgaria

Slan libh,

Dara

So Levi's are called Levi's because the guy's name was Levi Strauss? Why didn't they call them strousers? - Fiona O'Kearney 6/5/2004

NoGame
(acolyte)
07/13/04 01:08 PM
Now everything is still unpredictable new [re: EJSunday]  

Alright. Here I go

Group 1: Holland is in the worst group imaginable. First of all the Czechs. Those bloody Czechs again. I envision Holland getting only one point from them in the home game, and getting ourselves hammered (again!) in Prague. Finland is not the strongest of teams, but they can prove tricky, and Romania has a good reputation as well. The other countries I don't know, and don't really fear, but that Holland is in a strong group is for sure.

Group 2: A confrontation between the new European champion Greece and their arch enemy Turkey (came in third at the WC 2002, but missed EURO 2004 due to Latvia) will prove interesting for sure. Of course the Turks are more than willing to prove that they are better than Greece. Honor's at stake here. I'm looking forward to those games between those two countries. Denmark could be the outsider in this group, profiting

Group 3: Easy one for Portugal. Mind those Russians though.

Group 4: Easy one for France, although their fame has gone downhill enormously. Again against Cypres... Ireland will have a difficult time, but they should be able to beat Switzerland in the race for second place. Israel, hm, what to think of those guys?

Group 5: Italy has a win-lose group. They could loose to teams like Scotland and Norway, but beat them just as easily. If they keep focussed, it shouldn't be too hard.

Group 6: I think some of the groups are made up badly. Just take a look at England now. At first sight it seems to be a tricky group, but we all know in the end that they will qualify easily. Even though some 'neighbours' are present in the group, good for some heavy confrontations, I still think England got a fairly easy group. Too easy.

Group 7: Same goes for Spain. Now what exactly did they do to get into a group as easy as this one? The results of the national Spanish team is to cry about, but they are allowed to come to Germany through a wide open door. I hope Belgium can stunt against them.

Group 8: Interesting group. Bulgaria, Sweden and Croatia can all beat each other. But who will do it?

Going to the final round in Germany for sure:
# 1 Czech Republic
# 2 Denmark (hard choice though!)
# 3 Portugal
# 4 France
# 5 Italy
# 6 England
# 7 Spain
# 8 Sweden

I don't know how it goes for number two teams in the ranking. I sure hope Holland will make it at number two, and of course I would like to see Greece return to a big tournament as well. I hope Belgium and Ireland will do well too.

NoGame

NoGame
(acolyte)
07/13/04 01:13 PM
Coming up (in pain) new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

What about the Concacaf, Oceania, Asian, Sth American & African qualifiers?


Working on it right now, but will take some time to complete. In the meanwhile we can concentrate on Europe.

NoGame

Strawman
(stardust savant)
07/13/04 01:28 PM
Some help... new [re: NoGame]  

African Zone

Asian Zone

North, Central American And Caribbean Zone

Oceanian Zone < Solomon Isles

South American Zone



Q: What do you call an Arsenal fan in a suit?
A: The accused.


NoGame
(acolyte)
07/13/04 01:39 PM
Any surprises from the rest of the world? new [re: Strawman]  

Yea', maybe that's better. Also taking in consideration that all of those competitions are in fairly advanced stages.

In that respect, we can already see some of the countries that will probably make it to the final round in 2006.

* Morocco and Tunesia are placed in one group. Too bad for the finalist of the last Africa Cup. Both countries really deserve to make it.
Futhermore, no real surprises going on in Africa.

* Brazil is on top in the South America competition. I thought the title defender was automatically placed?

* Watch those Solomon Islands indeed
Will Australia finally make it to the last round? Now that would be something, wouldn't it?

* I can't be bothered to find out how the America/Caribbean competition works. USA will make it again. They have advanced since they have a decent league.

* How about Uzbekistan making it to the final round?

Of some of those countries I didn't even know they excisted until now...

NoGame

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
07/14/04 06:38 AM
Re: World Cup 2006 - Future Legend new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

(Strawman:) I'm hoping for a better advert for football in the next World Cup than that of the recent dire performances of the European sides in Portugal.


You're kidding? That was one of the best tournaments ever. Wonderful attacking and skillful football in many games, especially at the group stages. The ugly teams were filtered off early (unlucky exception: Spain), and the better teams fought off the second best teams in the next rounds. Of course some might argue that the final was a bit of a let down, but then again most finals are. And though Greece were certainly not the most attractive team it was still good to watch their spirit and their organisation.

Furthermore the overall atmosphere was extremely positive, especially with almost zero hooliganism going down in Portugal.

Great tournament. Definitely.

Okay, here are my predictions for the European groups:

Group 1
From today's point of view we should certainly fancy the Czechs. But I am not sure if the likes of Nedved, Poborsky and Koller haven't gone past their prime with the end of Euro 2004. Still it should be enough to hold down the Dutch who will come up with a fresh team and manager but who tend to miss out on World Cups. So I say:

1 Czechs
2 Netherlands

Romania will certainly have a word in there and also the Finns will certainly not give the big guns an easy pass.

Group 2
Tough call. Can Greece repeat the miracle of Portugal? I have my doubts, the other big teams will have learned their lesson. So I say:

1 Denmark
2 Turkey

The Turks will do all they can to make up for miserably failing to qualify for Euro 2004 and furthermore to fall behind the old enemy Greece. If the Turkish key players are fit they will be as strong as in WC 2002.

This group's nasty stumbling block: Albania. Believe it or not. With their German manager Hans-Peter Briegel (won the Euro 1980, runner-up in the WCs 1982 and 1986 with Germany) they will be in for some surprises and hard work.

Group 3
Nothing spectacular here:

1 Portugal
2 Russia

Latvia will not make it this time.

Group 4
The obvious choices:

1 France
2 Ireland

Switzerland may cause a few problems but won't be good enough to go through.

Group 5
Easy:

1 Italy
2 Norway

Scotland will go out in shame and will finally have to drop German super-fool Berti Vogts from the manager's position. And the person who hired him should be sent down the coal mines. If he isn't already there.

Group 6
Difficult to see who comes second. Number one is of course

1 England
2 Wales

Austria and Poland are way too erratic in their performances so I give Wales a chance, if they can perform as well spirited and top fit as they have in many tough games they played with Germany over the decades.

Group 7
This could be a tight group. Two favourites (Spain, Belgium) but two good outsiders as well (Serbia, Bosnia). As I tend to belive in surprises I say

1 Spain
2 Serbia

Group 8
Noone will stop the Swedish here. But who is second best? If Bulgaria learn their lessons from the EURO they have potentially the best team, but will they defend this time?. Croatia have a new manager and are always a tough beast, but their key players are not getting younger. So I say

1 Sweden
2 Bulgaria

Iceland will stir up some trouble, but not more. Hungary have Lothar Matthäus but I severely doubt that he is another Otto Rehhagel.

Is there a team from Europe which you would favour to win the title in 2006? Not really, I would say, as the Czechs and France will have to find new teams while England, Denmark and the other European upper-middleclass teams don't seem to have the potential to really shock a team like Brazil.

Portugal may be good for a surprise.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Strawman
(stardust savant)
07/14/04 09:47 AM
Re: World Cup 2006 - Future Legend [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

You're kidding? That was one of the best tournaments ever. Wonderful attacking and skillful football in many games, especially at the group stages. The ugly teams were filtered off early (unlucky exception: Spain), and the better teams fought off the second best teams in the next rounds. Of course some might argue that the final was a bit of a let down, but then again most finals are. And though Greece were certainly not the most attractive team it was still good to watch their spirit and their organisation.


EJ? Your enthusiasm & optimistic approach are creditable but unrealistic in this instance. See if you can find & watch footage of former European Championships, then come back and tell me in all honesty that the 2004 tournament was anything other than under par?

The very fact that most of the sides played with one up front with usual attacking flankers taking defensive/midfield positions suggests that your summarisation of events is a ripe old heap of bollocks.

And you a journalist.



Q: What do you call an Arsenal fan in a suit?
A: The accused.



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