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(absolute beginner )
02/23/02 07:07 AM
Re: are bowie fans gay? new [re: -ANON-]  

What's a "foggot"? It sounds like a kind of frog.Or maybe some sort of chocolate? Now, I'm not a chocolate frog, but I do happen to by a dyke....Although I know many hetero Bowie fans as well...Probably more of the het kind, in fact...

Edited by deathofglitter on 02/23/02 07:19 AM (server time).

02/23/02 07:47 AM
Re: are bowie fans gay? new [re: Basil the Spy]  

Definitely not im hetrosexual i love woman but i love the music of Bowie Gays are into Kylie

02/23/02 08:24 AM
Re: are bowie fans gay? new [re: -ANON-]  

GAy like Bowie was. Yes! But don't tell my husband or my kids!

(absolute beginner )
02/23/02 08:42 AM
Re: are bowie fans gay? new [re: -ANON-]  

Well ... I am a Fan of Mr. Bowie ... And I am not gay... but very very Happy... experiencing his music.

I am sure his wife is also very happy..

02/23/02 10:16 AM
Re: are bowie fans gay? new [re: 96dbFreak]  

In reply to:

If they choose to declare it, then fine

Most gay or bisexual people are aware of the homphobic nature of modern society and would noy make such a statement with out taking into consideration.

"Why can't people go through life without comparing their own to anyone elses?"

(grinning soul)
02/23/02 11:21 AM
Re: are bowie fans gay? new [re: -ANON-]  

I'm either not gay! I'm inlove with one guy who looks exactly like bowie in thin white duke period.

dreaming my life away....

(stardust savant)
02/23/02 12:13 PM
He read my journal (he does love me) new [re: 96dbFreak]  

In reply to:

Much against my better judgement I cleared my bozo list (why oh why oh why do I do it?) and once again you're twisting things.

Either leave me on or leave me off. It's your decision which you do, but I'm sick with your on and off bullshit. If you're going to enter into a debate with me have the decency to stick around and read my replies without bozoing me (the last time we disagreed this happened), or simply leave me bozoed and live without me. Jumping back and forth so you can hide from my comments when you feel the need, is pathetic.

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no wonder you're failing both of your 'A' levels

Hey - you learned that you need to step away from misplaced generalisations based on location to actual personal details to insult someone. Nice work, Stu. As for your "point", you think people can "come out" if they so desire, but should be careful if they're being asked. Personally, I think that's pretty stupid, this thread is basically perfect for anyone that does want to proclaim their sexuality, and anyone that doesn't simply won't. No-one's going to come here and say "by the way I'm gay!", so this anonymous poster asking gives people the chance should they want to.

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How is that possible, by the way, if you were born on May 3, 1984?.

The master of research that you are, Stu, fails to have taken into account the date that my original post was actually made.

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The gay ones, the truly gay ones, will admit that they couldn't do it, if they're being truthful.

I don't think that's entirely true. I think they would probably believe that, but Stu - assuming you're a heterosexual male (I apologise if I'm jumping to conclusions), go find yourself a nice fellow, and see if he isn't capable of arousing you. Plenty of heterosexual people resigned to same-sex environments have resorted to same-sex relations, and the physical act of being aroused, regardless of sexual orientation, can be brought out by certain acts. We can all turn ourselves on, regardless of the fact we don't swing our own way. Find yourself a nice boy to touch you, and lick you a bit, see what pops up.

Or if this is all too much for you, let's just say there's no actual physical proof that Bowie's two children actually are Bowie's children.

In reply to:

I've known some extremely attractive Geordie women, actually

As have I, I was simply parodying your dumbass "comedic" generalisations.

In reply to:

every time you look at your tubby-assed self in the mirror, I suspect

Oh, Stu, you've failed your new-found sense of personal-attacks-as-humour - it simply doesn't work when it's something the other party often uses as a source of self-depreciating humour themselves.

I hope that I can say the things I wish I'd said.

(stardust savant)
02/23/02 12:33 PM
Devil's Love new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

I'd be surprised if a true biggot could rationalise objectively in light of his/her prejudices.

I wouldn't. I think by and large most of the "gender bending" that comprises "much of his lyrics" is only there if you are pre-disposed to find it. Rebel Rebel can be consider a gay love-song, for instance, yet the beauty of the song is that every single line can be interpreted one way or the other (for instance "your face is a mess" can refer to either the boy that wears makeup, or the girl that forsakes it - the line "you've torn your dress" can refer to either the boy that wears the dress, or the girl that doesn't take care of it) - and one not predisposed to finding it would perhaps miss it entirely. The song The Width Of A Circle is widely regarded as relating to a homosexual experience (perhaps more specifically Bowie's personal first), but depending on how one interprets the song it can be seen as either a liberating experience freeing him from the narrow-minded bigots if modern society, or as a dirty, sinful experience that leaves him outcast from a society of gods. I can't think of any explicitly pro-homosexual lyrics from Bowie's entire career, certainly none that couldn't be taken a different way.

As for cover-art, the only thing that comes to mind is The Man Who Sold The World, and perhaps Hunky Dory. As you said, a homophobe may argue it's there for the sake of art - or even to say it's supposed to be a disgusting image. The Man Who Sold The World is a very dark album, it may seem perfectly fitting for a bigot to use an image of a man in drag to open such a dark album.

Bowie's use of the Ziggy character could easily be interpreted differently also. He wasn't being a regular, gay person. In fact, he's always claimed to be heterosexual ever since he gave his "average guy" persona of 1983 to the present day. Ziggy Stardust was a freak, a red-haired, cross dressing, bi-sexual rocker from another planet. Bowie's personification of Ziggy could very easily be interpreted as saying that being bisexual is not a normal thing to be. Being an alien is not normal, having bright red hair is not normal, he characterised bisexuality as being part of this "otherness". In a way it was flat out insulting to gay or bisexual people.

And even if a bigot didn't hold these particular views on Bowie's art, there's no reason one still couldn't be a big fan that regarded him as having "a bit of a poof period" in the early seventies.

I hope that I can say the things I wish I'd said.

(grinning soul)
02/23/02 01:28 PM
This Post new [re: twister]  

I've found this a really interesting post. It seems that someone with a very one-sided view of the whole subject of David Bowie, his fans and his music, has posted a potentially inciteful and provocative comment in a community which undoubtedly does accept the homosexual way of life a lot more than others. What's interesting is the lack of stupid 'fuck off and die' answers that have come from this. Virtually every post regarding this has been a personal response and has been handled really well. cool.

Just as an aside, I'm one of the entirely straight bowie fans...


"What the hell is normal, and Who the hell is sane, and Why the hell care anyway? All the dreams that we have had, are gonna prove that we're all mad, and that's ok!"

(wild eyed peoploid)
02/23/02 01:44 PM
Re: are bowie fans gay? new [re: -ANON-]  

what about this:
everyone i show the music of bowie says that bowie is a stupid bitch and the people who listen to his music, too. for me that is right, but i cant imagine that there aren't any non-stupid people out there loving bowies great music.


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