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th0mas
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/24/02 05:50 AM
Re: M & M (He'll Melt In Your Mouth, Not In Your Hand) new [re: twister]  

oh yes, right. considering eminem as some kind of cartoon character who talks nonsense all the time even gays could like his lyrics. but does he really mean this as fun?

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twister
(stardust savant)
02/24/02 11:07 AM
Sit Me Here Next To Britney Spears new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

but does he really mean this as fun?


I think that's really the crux of Eminem's career. His ability to very skillfully lyrically blur the lines between what is and isn't real, from completely absurd fantasies to gritty realism.

Besides, the man's chockablock full of wit and comedy. I don't think he's lashing out at gays because of a hatred, but rather because he can get some nice wordplay out of it.

Of course, if you do take Eminem's lyrics literally you have to also believe that he killed a girl at a party (after a magic mushroom overdose), he killed his wife and had his infant daughter help dispose of the body ("you gonna help daddy tie mommy to this rock? / we'll tie it to her footsy and we'll roll her off the dock"), his mum hit him on the head with a remote control once - causing his skull to crack and his brain fall out - which he held in his hands as he screamed at her, his second career choice if he couldn't be a rapper was to be "a fucking rapist in a Jason mask", that he raped his own mother, that he's HIV positive, oh - and finally that he makes up half the things he says to enrage people.

I saw a homosexual protestor speaking out against Eminem on TV once. Saying Eminem's lyrics were pure bigotry - and that "if he were going around saying 'nigger this' and 'nigger that', then he'd be shot". I found that hilarious. On the one hand, because Eminem does say "nigger this" and "nigger that", and also because this gay man clearly had black people penned down as bad, gun totin', mother fuckers!

I hope that I can say the things I wish I'd said.

th0mas
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/24/02 12:02 PM
Re: Sit Me Here Next To Britney Spears new [re: twister]  

In reply to:

I think that's really the crux of Eminem's career. His ability to very skillfully lyrically blur the lines between what is and isn't real, from completely absurd fantasies to gritty realism.


well, i would call it skillful. he is just one of the wanna-be troublemakers provoking as bold as possible - like marylin manson - which isnt really a big thing if you say things you don't mean serious. he is just a pretty dumb person trying to built up an image. but rapping things like this is really dangerous, especially for people of lower intellect (who are his target group) and people not really listening to his songs (me) - because they are played in the background of a supermarket - who just dont get what he is saying. so he forms some people's opinion though he maybe does not really want to. and so he is responsible for any action caused by his lyrics.


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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
02/24/02 12:49 PM
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twister.. new [re: twister]  

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Eminem has NEVER used the word 'nigger' in any of his raps.



Cisite
(electric tomato)
02/24/02 01:16 PM
Re: Sit Me Here Next To Britney Spears new [re: twister]  

In reply to:

I saw a homosexual protestor speaking out against Eminem on TV once. Saying Eminem's lyrics were pure bigotry - and that "if he were going around saying 'nigger this' and 'nigger that', then he'd be shot". I found that hilarious


I have seen the same program and the people who say that are Dance Duo Orbital/

"Why can't people go through life without comparing their own to anyone elses?"

Irvine
(grinning soul)
02/24/02 01:42 PM
Re: Is twister sixteen (or is that just his IQ)? new [re: 96dbFreak]  

I was a heterosexual young man with posters of Gillian Anderson on his walls and not even the slightest of homosexual inclinations when I bought my very first David Bowie CD. "ChangesBowie" for those who care.

It's about two years later, I've been through a loving relationship with a beautiful woman and out the other side. I still like women, and I still have absolutely zero interest in doing anything remotely homosexual.

Music is art, it's about breaking free from a label people are eager to slap on you. Music doesn't define who I am. I define what music I like.
And David Bowie is God. He just changed His name to Bowie to fool all of us. ;)

"You remind me of the babe." "What babe?" "The babe with the power. "What power?" "The power of voo-doo." "Who do?" "You do." "Do what?" "Remind me of the babe..."

twister
(stardust savant)
02/24/02 02:14 PM
Oh, not there niggers again... new [re: -ANON-]  

In reply to:

Eminem has NEVER used the word 'nigger' in any of his raps.


You're right. That was quite the oversight on my part. I should point out, however, that on the song Criminal Eminem sings: "I drink malt liquor to fuck you up quicker, than you'd wanna fuck me up for saying the word 'nigger'" - but seen as the word 'nigger' is (by Eminem's own decision) removed from the song, I concede. Though it should be said the word makes a more than abundant appearance throughout The Marshall Mathers LP, even though it is never uttered directly by Marshall himself.

I hope that I can say the things I wish I'd said.

twister
(stardust savant)
02/24/02 02:44 PM
Emineminemineminem new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

well, i would call it skillful.


Given the rest of your post I assume you mean wouldn't (not trying to sound condescending, but it is hard to disagree and yet say the same thing ) but I would. I think the chap's rather clever at putting words together, and creating pieces with true artistic merit - like the tension-ridden Kim for instance.

And let's not forget Eminem has a wonderfully self-depreciating sense of humour. You describe his target audience as being the "people of lower intelligence", and Eminem himself pokes fun at this:

"You can't stop me from toppin these charts
And you can't stop me from droppin each March
with a brand new cd for these fuckin retards
" - Criminal

"Make fun of gay clubs, men who wear make-up
Get aware, wake up, get a sense of humor
Quit tryin to censor music, this is for your kid's amusement
(The kids!) But don't blame me when lil' Eric jumps off of the terrace
You shoulda been watchin him - apparently you ain't parents
" - Who Knew

"How many retards'll listen to me
and run up in the school shootin when they're pissed at a
teach-er, her, him, is it you is it them?
"Wasn't me, Slim Shady said to do it again!"
" - Who Knew

"But what's this shit you said about you like to cut your wrists too?
I say that shit just clownin dogg,
c'mon - how fucked up is you?
" - Stan

"OK, I'm going to attempt to drown myself
You can try this at home
You can be just like me!
" - Role Model

"I've been with 10 women who got HIV
Now don't you wanna grow up to be just like me!
I got genital warts and it burns when I pee
Don't you wanna grow up to be just like me!
I tie a rope around my penis and jump from a tree
You probably wanna grow up to be just like me!!!
" - Role Model

In reply to:

so he forms some people's opinion though he maybe does not really want to. and so he is responsible for any action caused by his lyrics.


That, th0mas, is bullshit. Especially given the lyrics I've quoted in this post, but even without. No-one that doesn't already have an issue with gay people is going to listen to Eminem and think: "actually, I do want to stab gay people in the head".

I think it's all about a sense of humour. Just because I'm a guy doesn't mean I can't laugh at feminist jokes about how shit men are, so long as they're funny jokes.

I hope that I can say the things I wish I'd said.

Remade/Remodeled
(cracked actor)
02/24/02 03:45 PM
If only real women had one of those... new [re: twister]  

In reply to:

Just because I'm a guy doesn't mean I can't laugh at feminist jokes about how shit men are, so long as they're funny jokes.


Yeah, and where were you planning on finding one of those?

A science fiction novel?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



If I have previously told you to drink your own urine then I am sorry

ohramona
(electric tomato)
02/24/02 03:47 PM
Statistics 101: Lesson II new [re: FUZZ45]  

In reply to:

I suspect that as in the whole population- 11% to 14% of the population is gay- as is the percentage of any population or audience of any band


No, because the TW population is not a random sampling of the general population. I would bet the family jewels that the percentage of people with non-conventional sexual orientations is much higher at TW than in the general population.

BTW, repeat the 2nd part of this statement to me after you've been to a k. d. lang concert!




You awake with a start
To just the beating of your heart
Just one man beneath the sky
Just two ears, just two eyes



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