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Shelle
(crash course raver)
12/13/05 11:58 AM
Re: Smokers vs Non-Smokers new [re: sonofsilence]  

I smoked for a couple of years. There's a silly notion among models that smoking keeps the weight off. I guess it does, not counting tumors, but only cuz it gives you something to stick in your mouth with no calories.

Like everyone else that ever was and ever will be, I tend to think everyone should be and do like me. So, smoke for a couple of years just to be cool, but quit before your lungs turn into tar tanks, your arteries harden, you skin turns seventy, your teeth turn yellow.

Good advice that applies to TW too I think.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


th0mas
(acolyte)
12/13/05 12:21 PM
Re: Smokers vs Non-Smokers new [re: FritzFassbender]  

In reply to:

Leave the smokers alone, most of them want to leave you alone.


they can hardly leave me alone while blowing smoke into the air i have to breath and to smell.

In reply to:

When I am tense and decide to smoke, it is because of the normal pressures of life


which you experience in a different way than someone who never smoked and is not used to the effect. recently a lot of people around me quitted smoking - they felt better, looked better and two of them who were producers before and therefore usually work on incredibly high stresslevels even got emotionally much better balanced (the other ones probably too but since they never get close enough to the edge it is too difficult to notice).

Come and buy my tanks

FritzFassbender
(electric tomato)
12/13/05 01:27 PM
Re: Smokers vs Non-Smokers new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

they can hardly leave me alone while blowing smoke into the air i have to breath and to smell.


Once again, it's all about YOUR personal comfort, isn't it? I've never blown smoke in anybody's face, and unless someone is deliberately trying to bother you, they have their right to smoke around you. It's part of life, deal with it, or walk away when you hear the lighter.

In reply to:

recently a lot of people around me quitted smoking - they felt better, looked better


I'm sure they do, smoking's bad for your health, I said that. What I resent is the fact that smokers are not allowed to simply be, that so many non-smokers feel it's their responsibility to enforce their opinions on others simply because THEY don't approve of it.

As for being well balanced, in my personal experience, I've been to a few smoking and non-smoking break rooms in my time, and have always found the smokers to be friendly and talkative with each other, while non-smoking break rooms tend to be much bigger and much, much quieter.

My favorite smoking story involves legendary sportscaster Howard Cosell. He was smoking one of his trademark cigars in an elevator. A woman said "Sir, kindly put that repulsive thing out." Cosell simply looked down and said "Madam, I am Howard Cosell and you are nothing" and continued to smoke.




Starlite
(stardust savant)
12/13/05 02:06 PM
Re: Smokers vs Non-Smokers new [re: FritzFassbender]  

In reply to:

What I resent is the fact that smokers are not allowed to simply be, that so many non-smokers feel it's their responsibility to enforce their opinions on others simply because THEY don't approve of it.


Often because smokers force their smoke on non-smokers. When I have to talk to a person who is smoking, I'm not going to give them a lecture. But I will not particularly hide the fact that I need to stand upwind of them and/or waft the smoke away from my face, or that I might have to cut the conversation short because of it. Smoke often makes me choke and almost always gives me headaches, and if it's not fair of me to tell the smoker to cut it out, neither it is fair of them to subject me to their habit.

In reply to:

Once again, it's all about YOUR personal comfort, isn't it?


Meh. They make the decision to smoke, even though it's unnecessary. I suppose I make the decision to be at the bus stop, but it's often necessary and I can't take another bus. I suppose a person can also stand at a bus stop and clang the cymbals really loudly while farting, and they'll have the right to, but I think it'll be fairly obvious why other people thre would object to such behavior.



FritzFassbender
(electric tomato)
12/13/05 02:16 PM
Re: Smokers vs Non-Smokers new [re: Starlite]  

Me personally, if someone says the smoke is making them cough, I'll simply blow it in the other direction. If you say that to someone and they ignore you, than it's a courtesy issue, not a smoking issue.

There are no villains in this argument, both sides have valid points, and that's what I'm trying to say. Just because somebody doesn't believe in smoking, they shouldn't think the world should stop. I think it can be agreed that in general non-smokers are the more aggresive about their views; very few smokers believe that all people should smoke, and many less will tell people that.



anisette
(stardust savant)
12/13/05 02:56 PM
Former Smoker new [re: FritzFassbender]  

I recently quit smoking, going on 3 months now, and let me tell you, it smells like a whole new world out there. Now that I don't smoke, my nose has gained new powers, apparantly. So now I'm on the other team, the nagging nellys who complain of the stifling smell of cigarettes; it is indeed an obnoxious smell.

But what is even more offensive to me now (because I now avoid cigaretty places and coworkers, so I'm not as often offended by it) is too much perfume. I doubt it is as harmful as secondhand smoke, but it is definitely just as nauseating.

Everybody understands Mickey Mouse. Few understand Herman Hesse. Hardly anyone understands Albert Einstein. And nobody understands Emperor Norton.

EJ
(byroad singer)
12/13/05 03:06 PM
Re: Smokers vs Non-Smokers new [re: FritzFassbender]  

I was a heavy and happy smoker for almost 20 years after I picked it up at the age of 13. Then at some point I was simply fed up with it and gave up from one day to the next. I love being a non-smoker now - it is good to have thrown away all those ridiculous habits that come with regular smoking.

When I was in Ireland this summer I first experienced how good it is to be in a pub where smoking is completely banned. Even as a non-smoker pubs had always been places of sin and debauchery for me and the idea of banning smoking would have never crossed my mind. But it is brilliant. Non-smoking pubs are heaven. Especially the morning after.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
12/13/05 03:15 PM
Re: Smokers vs Non-Smokers new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

What puts me off smoking full time is pure reasons of vanity and expense. I wouldnt want to waste all my money on something that will make me sound like Rod Stewart and give me yellow teeth.


Smoking also ages you terribly, so the chances of sounding like Rod Stewart are probable, the chances of looking like him, definate.

I'm looking forward to American Storybook volume 5.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Marquis
(acolyte)
12/13/05 04:04 PM
Choke new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

When I was in Ireland this summer I first experienced how good it is to be in a pub where smoking is completely banned.


In a nice Irish pub, sure, but plenty of my favorite dive bars have been ruined by Bloomberg's smoking ban, not to mention diners. Once the smoke clears out and you can see (and smell) your environs, the charm wears off mighty quick. But goddamn do I miss being able to sit down to a nice, greasy plate of eggs with coffee and cigarettes.

Personally, I think the decision to make a bar/restaurant smoking or non should be left entirely to the owner.

I had quit for a couple of months, and while I'm smoking again now, it's not as much as it used to be, and I still hardly think of myself as a "smoker," even with evidence to the contrary. The key to cutting back this time has been the smoking ban inside my apartment, which forces me to *really* want to go stand outside and subject myself to 30 degree weather and an endless stream of panhandlers rather than chain smoking out of boredom.

For me, it's never been about the nicotine so much as the habit. When I'm in a situation that feels like I should be smoking, I'll smoke: walking to and from work, after a meal, or a particularly milky rip. Guiltpuppy's line about cigarettes being like sex is quite apt, I think; I can jones about lighting up for hours, and then three drags in, I'm barely enjoying it.

After habituation, though, the socializing is definitely a great draw, and is certainly the most objectively good thing about cigarettes. The little window nook in front of my store is nearly always home to at least one of my co-workers, and 5 minutes of cigarette is an ideal length of time for chit-chatting with people you otherwise would barely interact with.

Come to think of it, the length of time it takes to smoke a cigarette is a wonderful measurement of time, as it always seems to be just right.

Now, to smoke.

Stupid babies need the most attention


forgetthatim50
(kook)
12/13/05 04:37 PM
Re: Former Smoker new [re: anisette]  

the most unexpected benefit of quitting was the improvement of my hearing. could hear nuances in pieces i had listened to for years,but never truly heard. i would guess proper eustacion tube function.




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