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sonofsilence
(acolyte)
01/05/06 09:56 AM
Do Albums Mean Anything Anymore?  

Personally I think they have just become a collection of songs rather than a body of solid work. Sure you get the occassional classic but generally speaking, the album as we know it is on its last legs.

Maybe there has always been the "collection of songs" approach to albums. But it used to be more of an artform. As with soundtrack albums have just become compilation albums. Unless it's some boring orchesteral score for Lord of the Rings or something.

as for the EP that died years ago and the single has become a downloadable 3 minute ad



Sam_X
(kook)
01/05/06 11:11 AM
Re: Do Albums Mean Anything Anymore? new [re: sonofsilence]  

I don't understand how "a collection of songs" contradicts "a body of solid work".

Anyway, there's been quite a lot of well-thought album releases in the last year, you can refresh your memory here.

"I don't post here, but i like to come sometimes.."
~ sweet Bibi

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
01/05/06 03:38 PM
Re: Do Albums Mean Anything Anymore? new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

Personally I think they have just become a collection of songs rather than a body of solid work. Sure you get the occassional classic but generally speaking, the album as we know it is on its last legs.


I can relate to that, but sadly I think it's part of getting old, I'm certainly not calling you old Brian ( I never would ) but as we get older our tastes change, I live in that Rose Tinted World now, have done for quite some time.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

PaisleyPinUp
(grinning soul)
01/05/06 03:46 PM
Re: Do Albums Mean Anything Anymore? new [re: sonofsilence]  

putting out an album is definitely still something for the punk world, and always has been. I think perhaps the CD has contributed to the death of the "album". I am getting sick of these cheap little plastic squares. Records are so much better, and the punks know this. Independent punk labels like Kapow and GSL in California are releasing mostly records, because there is something more to them. I think the punks (the good ones, no Green Day shite here...) are the only ones who are taking their singles / EP's / 7 inches seriously. But yes, I know how you feel, I hardly ever buy new music anymore...except Beck. Who knows how to release an album with an overall feeling or idea....like Midnight Vultures, or Sea Change.



Sam_X
(kook)
01/05/06 04:53 PM
Re: Do Albums Mean Anything Anymore? new [re: PaisleyPinUp]  

In reply to:

putting out an album is definitely still something for the punk world


I think this can be said about all alternative genres. After all, if we judge popular music by mainstream production only, then it's dead since when? Presley became big?

"I don't post here, but i like to come sometimes.."
~ sweet Bibi

Tin
(stardust savant)
01/05/06 05:12 PM
Re: Do Albums Mean Anything Anymore? new [re: sonofsilence]  

I don't think the album will ever be dead, but I do think appreciation of such works has waned through iPods and the like. Like SamX mentioned, the commercial/top 40 world of music is far removed from the underground. As long as there's sucky pop trash available online and in compilation cds, like Now That's What I Call Music, there will be musicians looking to break out of such tripe.

I'm just not sure about the younger listeners today. All the teens I talk to are more into single songs than bodies of works. Maybe they need to get to college for a longer attention span. I dunno.

It is my opinion and I am unanimous in this, because it is my opinion, which is, in fact, mine.

Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
01/05/06 05:19 PM
Re: Do Albums Mean Anything Anymore? new [re: Tin]  

I think it depends on how you purchase your music. If it is downloaded I think there will be a tendency to only download the tracks you like, rather than a complete album. This is a shame, because how many times do you listen to an album and that track which initially was the one you disliked become your favourite?
I think that the single as a physical product as near enough died for most, which of course means that a bands ability to experiment a little on b sides will die with it. If it is a downloadable single, then only the a side needs to be made available.

Technology has made so much music, a lot more easily available to us, but at the same time has cheapened the value of music in general. Twenty years ago an album would be an event for me, and I would play it over and over again, now, unless it truly grabs me, then it is consigned to the archives pretty quickly and a new song is needed to take its' place.

I hope music will be able to survive through this and not become totally disposable. We are living in a strange time for music.



Marquis
(acolyte)
01/05/06 08:09 PM
Loopdiggah new [re: Sam_X]  

In reply to:

I don't understand how "a collection of songs" contradicts "a body of solid work"


It doesn't necessarily, but I understand what SoS is getting at. In the heydey of the LP, artists seemed to be more concerned with using their songs to create album sides, because most likely, the person listening to the record would listen to an entire side without getting up to move the needle around to his favorite songs.

There's a prevalence now, particularly in hip-hop, of making CDs a collection of singles with less attention paid to how the tracks flow into one another, as most listeners will just be skipping around to the tracks they like.

This isn't an inherently bad thing, it's just different from how it used to be. Plus there are still many, many, many artists who still seem to compose their albums by sides of vinyl, or indeed by the length of a compact disc. CDs can certainly be considered a creative boon for artists who make hour-long tracks or hour-long mixes - who'd want to get up in the middle of Dopesmoker or Funky Skunk to flip sides?

In reply to:

Records are so much better, and the punks know this. Independent punk labels like Kapow and GSL in California are releasing mostly records, because there is something more to them.




Sorry, but that first sentence is really funny.

Anyway, in my more cynical moments, I sometimes feel that all the 7"s and white labels and such are little more than a way for indie genres to make themselves feel special, to ensure that some pieces of music end up in only a few hands, as if the relative rarity somehow amps up the quality.

One thing I like about the rise and spread of mp3 technology is it's (theoretical) capacity to make more music readily available to anyone who wants to hear it, rather than reserving it for cratedigger assholes with hundreds of dollars to spend on a single piece of wax.

Don't get me wrong, of course; I'm still as much of a snob about sound quality as the next guy, but there's a point past which owning 7"s on clear vinyl stops being about hearing the music and starts being about collecting objects.

Which, again, is fine, and I'm as guilty of it as anyone, but you can't fool yourself into assigning increased quality to a recording due to it's format.

bitch niggaz talk behind ya back like a catcher
either M-Y-O-B or B-Y-O stretcher


PaisleyPinUp
(grinning soul)
01/05/06 08:46 PM
Re: Loopdiggah new [re: Marquis]  

usually the 7 inches and such are limited because they can't afford to press that mnay. The difference between the mainstream and the indie labels is that usually the musicians are the ones paying to press the records instead of being paid for them.

The Day Was Heaving Hell

Marquis
(acolyte)
01/05/06 09:44 PM
Wack Attack new [re: PaisleyPinUp]  

In reply to:

usually the 7 inches and such are limited because they can't afford to press that mnay.


Exactly my point. How many CDs could you press - how many more people could you potentially reach - for the cost of a run of 7" singles?

Making 12"s for DJs makes plenty of sense for dance or hip-hop artists, but the rest of it is unadulterated scenesterism.

bitch niggaz talk behind ya back like a catcher
either M-Y-O-B or B-Y-O stretcher



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