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Monkeyboy
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05/25/06 07:15 AM
Re: Tube disasters new [re: theidiot2]  

Extreme ideologies of all types have their depressing sides as well as their hilarious ones. I guess choosing to laugh at it is my way of dealing with the fact that it's all the uncomfortable side of free speech - which I totally support. Maybe I'm just more of an optimist than I come across as here in that I think that hateful rhetoric just doesn't speak to the general public in any meaningful way.

But then again, I'm speaking from a position of white privelege. Feel free to ignore my opinions because of it.

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Shelle
(cracked actor)
05/25/06 12:54 PM
Nigs can laugh at themselves too, honest they can new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

I should like to say that I think it's pretty hard to find even faux racism of this kind funny unless you're coming from a position of white priviledge, though.



Humor by its very nature is divisive rather than universal, and us privileged whiteys have a right to a few laughs too as we go about our business of ru(i)nning the planet in our Guccis and knocking back frappucinos.

Think about how you'd feel if someone said "You'd have to be black to find THAT funny".

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Strawman
(acolyte)
05/25/06 01:54 PM
Re: Nigs can laugh at themselves too, honest they can new [re: Shelle]  

Thank goodiness for the voice of reason!

One of my bestest & closest friends ever was a spade - Peter, God (or somebody you aspire to, living or dead, entity or non-entity, no bones..) bless him, died at the tender age of 28 back in 1987 & vice versa - we were pretty much inseparable throughtout our last two years at school, where we met, right up until he got wed at the age of 25 - I still miss him very, very much.

Pete, would've laughed long & hard at the content within this thread.

That said, it seems that certain quarters here are offended by my pretending to be racist and to those people I offer my apologies.

The Great Grey Grasshopper

Black Prism
(cracked actor)
05/25/06 03:19 PM
Norfolk - the New Nig Nirvana? [re: Strawman]  

Yeah, I imagine you had a lot in common. I suppose Pete voted BNP as well, didn't he?

Is there any means to verify this story, like a photo of you together (y'know, one taken with the flash on, so we could actually see him?)

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Starlite
(acolyte)
05/26/06 02:16 AM
It really does depemd on who's doing the joking new [re: Shelle]  

In reply to:

Think about how you'd feel if someone said "You'd have to be black to find THAT funny".


I wouldn't feel anything--I think that's a perfectly valid statement. The appreciation of humor generally hinges on experience. Coming from another culture, I can tell you there are plenty of jokes that I'd say "you have to be Jewish to find that funny," or "you'd have to have lived in Soviet Russia" to find that funny," and so on. Now, of course, with staements like "you have to be black/Jewish" what's really meant is "you have to be familiar with the black/Jewish/etc experience to find that funny"--it isn't determined by skincolor/ethnicity alone.

And I should say that when I said that one would have to come from a position of white priviledge, I did not necessarily mean that one has to be white. It's possible to ally oneself with whiteness and some of its priviledges even if one is of a different ethnicity; it's just not as common.



guiltpuppy
(cracked actor)
05/26/06 02:35 AM
Re: Norfolk - the New Nig Nirvana? new [re: Black Prism]  

I don't think anybody ever took a photo of them, for fear that Pete might steal the camera.

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Strawman
(acolyte)
05/26/06 06:53 AM
Re: Norfolk - the New Nig Nirvana? new [re: Black Prism]  

In reply to:

Yeah, I imagine you had a lot in common.


I'm suprised a person of your complexities pertains to such a simple philosophy on what the basis for friendship is.

In reply to:

I suppose Pete voted BNP as well, didn't he?


I can't vouch for it, the same way as I'm unable to provide photographical or any other means of evidence of our friendship, but I sincerely doubt that Peter ever visited a polling booth, and me likewise - we were too busy living life to the full to care about politics - before internet message boards & LJ's, that's what young people use to do, young man.

The Great Grey Grasshopper

CharlieManson
(kook)
05/26/06 07:33 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

Racist cunt!


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I'll break them gooks, I'll crack their heads
I'll slice them till they're running red
But now I've got the running gun blues


Tristan
(legendary cowboy)
05/26/06 07:48 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  




Censorship in America.


Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/26/06 02:13 PM
Gentrification: flavor of the month new [re: Monkeyboy]  

First off, Strawman, I honestly appreciate the sentiments.

Second, not to open this can of worms again, but

In reply to:

Monkeyboy: I'm speaking from a position of white privelege


I don't get what you think is so funny about this. The concept of recognizing one's privilege as a member of a class, race, gender or species that has dominated an area doesn't have anything to do with undercutting the validity of your beliefs and opinions. I feel like you're conflating the concept of recognizing white privilege with embracing white liberal guilt, the former being a productive exercise in trying to understand the different place from which you're coming and the effect it has on other people, the latter being a pointless exercise in ascetic handwringing and democrat-voting.

In reply to:

Maybe I'm just more of an optimist than I come across as here in that I think that hateful rhetoric just doesn't speak to the general public in any meaningful way.


Man, look at the coverage of the immigration issue in this country. There's some pretty intense hateful rhetoric coming from all the mainstream news stations and it's a minority that's standing up to say anything in reply. Far from causing something to click in all of our rational minds such that we reject it, all this does is normalize the ideas because they're everywhere. Not to evoke everyone's favorite ad absurdum comparison, but I don't think anyone was laughing in Germany 'round about 1932.

All of that aside, I'm not even talking about the effect that hateful rhetoric has on the general public. Ignoring the way it incites people to action, I think certain types of speech can inflict psychic violence on their targets. The recognizing white privilege part comes in when you realize that, as such actions do not target you, you would logically not understand the full effect they have on those who they do target. If we want to be anti-racists, then I would say we are obliged to talk to those being targetted and see how they feel about what is being said. If there's no problem, there's no problem, but if we're talking about speech that makes people feel unsafe in their own neighborhoods, then something has to be done.

Basically, I just feel like it's problematic to put public speech in this abstract removed category. I can talk about theories of race in a detached manner because no one has ever tried to exploit me with race as an excuse. However, a lot of people have been exploited in that way and don't have the luxury of distance from what we're positioning as a removed civil discourse. Not everyone can laugh off the Klan or the Minutemen.

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