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Strawman
(acolyte)
05/21/06 06:07 AM
Fact, not racism..  

According to the BBC news, Zimbabwe, is now facing a complete economic melt-down. 25% of the population are infected with HIV, more than half the population are unemployed and the inflation rate at 1,000% per year is the highest in the world. Before the blacks took over this nation was Rhodesia, an advanced and successful economy.

One thing's for absolute certain, niggers may be great at running the 100 metres but when they get the chance to run a country they haven't got a fucking clue.



Emil
(acolyte)
05/21/06 06:29 AM
yeah, solid facts all the way through new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

when they get the chance to run a country


Get the chance? Get the CHANCE?? Before your pal Rhodes came and stole it from them and fucked it all up, they were in fact running the country. And you have the nerves to say that the niggers were given the chance?

Laa.

Strawman
(acolyte)
05/21/06 06:45 AM
Martin Luther Bling Bling new [re: Emil]  

Name me one country under black rule that has been a success? Unless of course you call macheteing people and burning them alive with tyres round their necks successful, you communist dick-end.

I've heard that Robert Mugabe has asked the white farmers to return I imagine he said "please be returning white cunts, we be not knowing what to do without your white asses".



Emil
(acolyte)
05/21/06 11:44 AM
Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

Name me one country under black rule that has been a success?


Botswana. Now name me one unsuccessful country under black rule that was not first invaded and had its social structure ruined by white men?

Laa.

Persilot
(stardust savant)
05/21/06 11:51 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

How do you determine success? A country based on a western economic model, cos gosh we're all so happy.

Just a little bit of it can bring you up or down.Like the supper it is cooking in your hometown.it is chicken, it is eggs, it is in between your legs.it is walking on the moon, leaving your cocoon.

to_dizzy
(electric tomato)
05/21/06 12:35 PM
Re: Martin Luther Bling Bling new [re: Strawman]  

You're committing the logical fallacy that because one black ruled country has failed, then all black ruled societies will fail. I guess that's why you're called "strawman," itself a logical fallacy.



fredwau
(absolute beginner )
05/21/06 04:45 PM
Now, you're free! new [re: Strawman]  

Just try to imagine: for centuries you've been under the rules of a (white) power, they've decided everything for you and of course, you've had nothing to say.

Now, suddently, you're free (democracy's slowly coming) & you've gotta lead a country, create laws, ... and as usual, the ones who previously were your bloody & (most of them) racist leaders look at you and smile everytime you make a mistake, they even say it was better when they were there to "help" them!?!

My grandfather worked a lot in Africa (espacially in Congo) these last couple of years, he went there to help the African people to re-build their own country after so many wars.
According to him, it was almost even worse with this kinda "democracy" than before, with dictatorship...
These people are not used with our "free ways of living", give them a f*cking chance & I'm pretty sure they may feel better & better with democracy...


I'm happy, hope you're happy too!

Edited by fredwau on 05/21/06 04:46 PM (server time).



Strawman
(acolyte)
05/21/06 06:53 PM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

Botswana.


Yeah, thank their Gods for diamond mining & tourism. On the downside a quarter of the population is unemployed & HIV/AIDS infection rates are the second highest in the world, hence threatening Botswana's economic gains. As a consequence, any expected leveling off in diamond mining production overshadows any long-term prospects.

In reply to:

Now name me one unsuccessful country under black rule that was not first invaded and had its social structure ruined by white men?


There was no social structure within afforementioned countries before the white man - They were/are hunter-gatherers which is an unclean way to obtain foodstuffs in order to sustain increasingly frail communities.

This is why I hate the fuckers coming to the west - you can take a nigger out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the nigger.





Strawman
(acolyte)
05/21/06 07:23 PM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Persilot]  

In reply to:

How do you determine success? A country based on a western economic model, cos gosh we're all so happy.


The cancer is white liberalism and the hidden hand of the Jew, young man.



Starlite
(acolyte)
05/21/06 08:11 PM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Strawman]  

That's BS, dear Starwman. They may not've had skyscrapers, but there were various levels of cilvilization. And why were the communities "increasingly frail" anyway? Whatever works, works until it doesn't.

The modern Western civilization/economy model is proving to be making its way to unfeasibility as we run up against peak oil and other natural resource depletion (plus global warming). By your logic we are just as "increasingly frail."



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/21/06 08:21 PM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

This is what you get when you have a country full of negros: a poor work ethic that leaves everyone in poverty. If only they could learn from their Jamaican "brothas and sistas" and get a couple of jobs apiece, this sort of thing wouldn't happen. And that rap music they all listen to is so sexually-charged, no wonder they all have the HIV.



Strawman
(acolyte)
05/22/06 05:36 AM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Starlite]  

Seriously, Starlite, what is the black man's contribution to the world?

Look around your home at examples of advanced technology -computers, jew-tubes, DVD-players, stereos, telephones, cameras, and so on. Were any of them invented by blacks? Would any of them not have existed without blacks? These are rhetorical questions of course, like "Is the Pope Protestant?" and "Do bears shit in synagogues?" Blacks and advanced technology go together like ice and fire or Jews and honesty. What have blacks contributed to human civilization in the past 10,000 years? Answer: Nothing.

In his book Guns, Germs and Steel, the Jewish writer Jared Diamond offers all sorts of excuses for this - according to him, all apparently different varieties of Homo sapiens have equally high intelligence, but their intelligence only shines forth in certain places. Africa has the wrong geography and the wrong climate. It has too many diseases and too few domestic plants and animals. Blacks are smart, really smart, it's just their environment that's dumb

Diamond is supposed to be a great scientist, but his excuses for blacks prove that he's just another Jewish conman: fast-talking and crooked. Evolution means that plants and animals adapt to their environments, not beyond them. You don't get a smart creature in a dumb environment unless the smart creature has come from outside, just as you don't get a black creature in a white environment unless the black creature has come from outside (ever seen a black polar bear?). If Africa has a dumb environment, the people who live there will be dumb too unless – like whites – they've come from outside. Africa has taught blacks a simple rule of life: eat fast, fuck fast, and forget about tomorrow. And that's how blacks have always lived in Africa.

I'm simplifying matters, of course, but generally speaking dumb surroundings = dumb people, and that equation certainly applies to Africa and blacks. Let's suppose for a moment though that I'm wrong and Jew Jared is right. Blacks are smart but Africa is dumb, and that's why black genius has never shone there for all those millennia. That's a scientific hypothesis and there's a simple way to test it: take the blacks out of dumb Africa and put them in a smart environment where their genius can shine forth. And what d'you know? Evil whitey has done exactly that. With just a little help from Jews, Arabs, and other blacks, he scooped a few million blacks up from Africa and transported them to America to work as slaves. Later on, he fought a war that killed and mutilated many thousands of his fellow whites to help free those black slaves.

That was more than a hundred years ago. Since then, blacks in the United States and other White nations have eaten better, lived better and been taught better than they ever could have dreamt of in Africa. And guess what? Jew Jared's hypothesis has failed utterly. Blacks are still following the rule of life they were taught by their dumb environment in Africa: eat fast, fuck fast, and forget about tomorrow. Blacks have still contributed nothing of any significance to science, mathematics, and advanced technology. If every black on the planet were suddenly raptured away, science, math, and hi-tech wouldn't even notice they'd gone. But a few other areas of white civilization would. Sport and entertainment, for example. Africa made blacks very good at running fast, jumping high, and juggling simple words. But I could happily live without fast-running, high-jumping, jive-talking blacks, because Africa also made blacks very good at three other things -- the first is rape, the second is murder, and the third is spreading disease. If all blacks disappeared tomorrow, science and mathematics wouldn't notice, but criminal justice and medicine would. They'd notice that things had changed hugely for the better. Blacks are about fifteen per cent of the general American population, but nearly fifty per cent of its prison population. Even with Hispanics dishonestly classified as white, official statistics reveal that American blacks are about seventeen times more likely to murder whites than whites are to murder blacks, and about thirty times more likely to rape whites than whites are to rape blacks.

And that's not counting the horrendous rates of black-on-white male rape inside black-filled, black-ruled American prisons. If white prisoners were raping black prisoners to the same extent, or white criminals were raping and murdering blacks on the outside to the same extent, we'd never hear the end of it. The Jews-media would be a-weepin' and a-wailin' day and night about white depravity and viciousness. As it is, black crime does get some racial analysis, and the racial analysis is: it's whitey's fault. It's our racism and oppression that make blacks in America and other white nations behave like savages. It's not black nature, no, not at all. By nature, blacks are sweet and good and kind, and it wasn't till evil whites corrupted them that they started behaving so badly

Nah, that's just another Jewish lie, you see? Blacks behave like that because it's in their genes. Blacks are dumb and violent by nature, not by evil White nurture. If they're left on their own, they don't create civilization, they create savagery. Black behavior in the West is bestial and mindless because blacks are naturally bestial and mindless, which is one reason they're so good at spreading disease. They invented AIDS, possibly by copulating with monkeys, and then they spread it to the rest of the world with the help of white sodomites and their black-like behavior.

In America, black males are seven times more likely to be infected with AIDS than white men (the figure would be even higher but for white sodomites), and black females are twenty times more likely to be infected with AIDS than white women. The black rule for sex is: Fuck fast and forget about tomorrow. That's a recipe for disaster where AIDS is concerned, and that's why AIDS is such a disaster in the black homelands of Africa. Blacks have even, all by themselves, come up with a way of making their AIDS problem even worse.

Meet dry sex. Dry sex is a fine old black custom, like child sacrifice and cannibalism. Some African blacks don't like wet pussy. They like their wives and whores to be tight and dry during sex, so their wives and whores, having little choice in the matter, use special herbs and powders to make themselves so. The result is that the walls of their pussies tear and bleed during sex and so does the skin of their menfolk's dicks. The AIDS virus just loves torn and bleeding sexual organs. You couldn't find a better way of transmitting the AIDS virus short of directly injecting yourself with infected blood.

Dry sex is a purely black practice, like drive-by shooting and "gangsta rap," and illustrates the black genius for being really, really smart at being really, really dumb. Left to themselves, blacks would never survive the harsh, cold environments where white ingenuity and foresight were forged. They only survive because whites are here to feed and house them and be abused by the Jews for their pains. Blacks cost whites a huge and unacceptable amount every day, and that's why Jews are always inciting blacks to worse behavior against whites and tying whites' hands ever more firmly behind their backs. If blacks didn't exist, Jews would have been delighted to invent them for use in their racial war against whites. This means that bad as the black problem is, it's only part of the much wider and much worse Jewish problem, and we must never forget that.



Starlite
(acolyte)
05/22/06 07:25 AM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Strawman]  

C'mon, you don't "seriously" need me to answer that.

In reply to:

just another Jewish lie, you see?


Obviously I'd be lying whatever I said then, no?

In reply to:

Dry sex is a purely black practice, like drive-by shooting and "gangsta rap,"


In reply to:

They only survive because whites are here to feed and house them


In reply to:

This means that bad as the black problem is, it's only part of the much wider and much worse Jewish problem, and we must never forget that.


Yup, it's all because I hate white people. Except I also hate Jewish people. But that's why I'm anti-US-warring-with-the-Middle-East. So really it makes perfect sense.

Anyway, if at any point you actually wanted me to attempt a rebuttal to any of your points, let me know.



Dara
(acolyte)
05/22/06 08:38 AM
Post colonialism is never easy new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

One thing's for absolute certain, niggers may be great at running the 100 metres but when they get the chance to run a country they haven't got a fucking clue.



20, 30, 40 and 50 years after we Irish got independence, a lot of people were saying similar things about us. Including many Irish people. Nobody in their right minds was saying Ireland was better under British rule of course: for all the failings of the early Irish state, it never allowed half its population to starve to death as had happened under the Brits in the 1840s. But there were many who held up Ireland's continuing poverty and social woes as "proof" that the Micks might be good for a laugh or handy in the boxing ring, but they couldn't run a country.

Reel on another few decades and Ireland is thriving economically, socially and culturally. Not only are we better off than we ever were under the Brits, we're better off than the Brits themselves these days.

When your country's resources and people have been raped by outsiders, when your social system has been wiped out and your culture suppressed by the colonist, it usually takes at least a few generations for the new nation to start finding its feet. One of the problems of any country who had to fight for its independence is that military leaders almost never make good political ones.

Also, all those technological advances in leisure equipment are nice, but how much less entertaining would the MP3 player be without jazz, rock, reggae and all that other "nigger" music? If all there was was English folk and American country, I think I'd pass.

Oh, and Strawman, if you're going to take someone else's rant word for word, it's polite to acknowledge the source.

Slan libh,

Dara


Fiona: I want to be a nutcracker when I grow up.
Burkey: There's no such job.
Fiona: Oh, okay, pedant, a castrater then.
Burkey: Ouch.


to_dizzy
(electric tomato)
05/22/06 08:43 AM
Re: Post colonialism is never easy new [re: Dara]  

Man, he stole that essay word for word as his own.



Starlite
(acolyte)
05/22/06 09:20 AM
Re: Post colonialism is never easy new [re: Dara]  

Ah, thanks for the link Dara--in fact, I think Luke O'Farrell's own words provide the best way to respond to his arguments.

Take that lovely rant about black cultural contributions that Strawman was good enough to post. I think the best way to answer that would be to take another little rant about Jews, and simply perform a minute substitution:

To what degree is the undoubtedly disproportionate white influence in a nation's intellectual life the product of innate racial talents? Or is that influence merely the result of academic parasitism and mutual white promotion? Shorn of mutual back-slapping, hand-ups, Oscars and the like, ....what remains of white "genius"? Let it only be said that there is evidence to suggest that nothing remains at all except for a tenuous grasp of reality and a glib tongue.
-----------------------

I do have to say I dearly love his description of Christmas as "a beautiful White festival they (the Jews) could never had created for themselves."



Strawman
(acolyte)
05/22/06 12:07 PM
Re: Post colonialism is never easy new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

Oh, and Strawman, if you're going to take someone else's rant word for word, it's polite to acknowledge the source.







Beltene
(acolyte)
05/22/06 12:45 PM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

A civilized person is one who is open to the world and willing to change in order to improve. A civilized person is one who does not discriminate against other people or try to change other people in order to gain fame and fortune. According to this definition of civilized people, Africans acted like civilized people whereas Europeans acted like savages during the colonization of Africa.

In order to avoid economic depression caused by surplus of products and low consumer demand for these products at home, European tribes needed to find new markets for their products that were not self-sufficient so that they could gain profit from the surplus of products by making these new markets dependant on their products. The industrial European tribes saw Africa as the perfect destination for their goods; they predicted that Africans would buy more than they would be able to sell and thus the Europeans would gain more profit. The Europeans also figured out a way to morally justify forcing these products upon the African people at home since the majority of African people were not Christian. Colonialism in Africa gained the Europeans copper, diamonds, slaves, and other resources to increase their wealth and worldwide prestige. However, the consequences for the African people were mostly devastating: the Europeans politically and economically exploited the African people by dividing the land into political areas, by making African people dependant on European goods, and by stealing their raw materials. Also, the African’s traditional way of life was disrupted by the Europeans who imposed their beliefs upon the African people against their will, and in some cases slaughtered, or experimented on, thousands of Africans who refused to live the “Western” way.

Up until the 1880s, much of Africa was still unexplored by the Europeans; the European influence was on the coastline. The French Republic had gained control over Algeria; Great Britain held the Cape Colony and Portugal had Angola. Soon other countries followed their example in an attempt to gain profit and international recognition. In the 1880s, Leopold II of Belgium created the international African association, which he claimed was to help “civilize” the people in Central Africa. The main purpose was to gain control over the area by creating a sovereign state. He sent an explorer who was familiar with the central part of Africa in order to talk the chiefs of the societies who inhabited the region into the idea of the Congo state. By 1882, Leopold had obtained 2 300 000 squared km of territory, which is 10 times larger than the territory of Belgium and was occupied by many different societies with different social structures and different belief systems. Soon others followed this example in what became known as the “Scramble for Africa”.

During the Berlin Conference in 1985 the African continent was divided among the European tribes, which then imposed different regimes without consulting the African people. In order to gain international recognition of a colony, a country had to apply effective occupation, which meant that they had to convince the people within that territory to accept the new state rule. This usually meant the use of force to subdue any people who did not agree.

Africa had rich deposits of raw materials that Europe was either lacking or having shortages of. The European tribes were dependant on raw materials to keep the industrial machine going. Africa had important raw materials such as gold, diamonds, platinum, chromium, vanadium, manganese, uranium, iron and coal among others. Also African societies were producing cotton and the European cotton textile industry, which ironically was one of the earliest industries in Europe, was already dependant on imported cotton. So the Europeans saw a perfect opportunity to get cotton for cheap. By 1914, the Europeans had gained direct control over 90% of Africa and forced the division of the African continent into several countries that were usually composed of many different societies with different social structures. The Europeans did not care to understand these social structures because they considered African people inferior.

When the European colonials and missionaries entered into what is present day Nigeria, they brought with them ideas of how the people of a society should be organized. The European ideas included very different roles for men and women within their tribe that were inconsistent with the roles of men and women in certain African societies. For the most part, women were responsible for making important decisions regarding economical and international affairs. Europeans made African women stay at home and naturally this led to an economic instability that is still shaking the continent.

Another interesting aspect of the African colonization was the African art. When colonialists first laid their eyes on African art and sculptures, they thought that since it was a product of inferiors, it was also inferior. Yet when a famous European artist at the time, Pablo Picasso, started incorporating the stylized forms of African sculptures into his art, everybody was mesmerized which helped Picasso become even more famous.

Most Africans had opposed the European domination of their continent from the beginning but the Europeans had the weapons of mass destruction and some Europeans subjected some ethnic groups to genocide. The Germans began colonization of South-West Africa around 1894, but were met with great resistance from both the Herero and Nama peoples. Herero chiefs attempted to be peaceful with the Germans, signing several treaties with the colonizers, but it was to no avail. The Germans kept pushing their settlements further into Herero territory and kept on trying to force a western lifestyle upon the Herero. Finally, in January of 1904, the Herero people were fed up and they staged an organized revolt against the German colonists, killing over 100 German settlers and soldiers. The Nama people joined the Herero against the Germans in October 1904. The Herero and Nama fought bravely to try and retake their lifestyle, but the Germans had more advanced weapons technology and were ruthless in their techniques. They destroyed crops, poisoned wells, and killed and raped children, women, and men alike. Lynching was one of Germany’s favorite ways to kill Herero people.

The Herero and Nama people had never before encountered such savage war practices and their starving demoralized armies were defeated within three years. During those 3 years 60 000 Herero people were killed. In the end, only 20% of the Herero population and half of the Nama population survived, and these survivors were sent to concentration camps where they worked as slaves in inhumane conditions and were often beaten and tortured by the Germans who did not consider these people to be human beings. German soldiers repeatedly raped the Herero and Nama women and children and forced them to perform sexual favours in these concentration camps, leading to high rates of sexually transmitted diseases within the camps that soon took over the entire continent. None of these sexual diseases were present in Africa before. Herero and Nama prisoners were also used as subjects in experiments designed to prove the superiority of the Arian race, experiments that were overseen by Dr. Eugen Fischer who would later become the head geneticist of the Nazi regime.

Unfortunately, German scientists were not the first to demean the Herero people by experimenting on them in order to justify savage racial theories. The cousin of Charles Darwin came up with his first eugenicist theories during his visits to Southwestern Africa in 1850.

Still, some Africans felt oppressed by their own culture and wanted a change. For example, if an Igbo woman gave birth to twins, the chief of the village would put them in a box and throw them in the bush because it was considered bad luck to have twin children. As Chinua Achebe points out in his novel, Things Fall Apart, practices such as these drove some people to except Christianity and colonialism simply because they were fed up with their own social structure and belief system and they were looking for a change. However, who is to say that these practices would have continued without the intervention of the colonialists? Perhaps things would have not only changed for the better but this would have also inspired other societies to abolish inhumane practices.

What is interesting about pre-colonial Africa is that different societies with different social structures lived peacefully and for the most part in perfect harmony with each other. Then came the Europeans dividing the continent into vast areas and teaching everyone the savage ways of tribalism, or the ever so popular “my tribe is better than your tribe” view of the world. There were no tribes in Africa before the Europeans came. There were indigenous societies with different social structures and different culture. Christian missionaries and colonial leaders took it upon themselves to teach the African societies, who they saw as savages, the ways of European “civilization”. In reality they brought the destructive concept of tribalism that is still shaking the African continent and which led to permanent instability, ethnic conflicts, civil war, underdevelopment, and poverty. In pre-colonial Africa, societies existed in peace and harmony for the most part. The Europeans marginalized African societies by taking control over vast areas and drawing political borders.


My ass belongs on your face.

Beltene
(acolyte)
05/22/06 01:55 PM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

Africa has taught blacks a simple rule of life: eat fast, fuck fast, and forget about tomorrow


How would you explain that some African cultures explained the concept of a binary star system to the European missionaries before the Europeans even knew that the Sun is not the center of our universe? How were they able to predict eclipsing binaries and draw the most accurate maps of the position of our solar system before any other society on our planet?

My ass belongs on your face.

guiltpuppy
(cracked actor)
05/22/06 03:07 PM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Beltene]  

The Jews (who came from space, where the Devil lives) must have helped them.



RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/22/06 06:58 PM
Fact, not a sign of impotence new [re: Strawman]  

Strawski's wife boned a black man.

Your wetness
Dave's firmness



anisette
(acolyte)
05/22/06 07:05 PM
Re: Fact, not a sign of impotence new [re: RabbitFighter]  

he's definitely hung up on them.

"My pleading puppy-dog red-scarred darling eyeballs demand you to punch Rick Astley!"
-- D. F.


Beltene
(acolyte)
05/22/06 07:33 PM
Re: Fact, not a sign of impotence new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Strawman probably gets a hard on when he thinks of young nig boys.



I bet Strawie can hang a wet towel on his cock now.


My ass belongs on your face.

Atonalexpress
(acolyte)
05/23/06 00:50 AM
Re: Post colonialism is never easy new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

If all there was was English folk and American country, I think I'd pass


Hey Dara,
I own the largest English Folk music collection of LPs and CDs this side of the Mississippi. A good friend of mine in San Diego USED to say the same thing as your quote until I turned this person on to a small portion of this wonderful music. Great musical artists such as Bartok etc... got a lot of inspiration from listening to the music of the "commoners". Immerse yourself into the entire works of Martin Carthy (Bob Dylan has mentioned him as an inspiration), June Tabor, The Watersons, Bert Jansch, John Renbourn, Steeleye Span, Ashley Hutchings, Maddy Prior, The Pentangle, and Roy Harper to name a few, and get back to me.

Obscurity is the Artist's Refuge

Atonalexpress
(acolyte)
05/23/06 01:44 AM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

What have blacks contributed to human civilization in the past 10,000 years? Answer: Nothing.


Black men and women have patents for the following inventions:

The Farmers' Almanac (1791)
Propelling means for airplanes (1920)
Folding Chair (1911)
Remote control apparatus (1937)
Ladder Scaffold Support (1879)
Hydraulic Jack (1930)
Stove (1907)
Cuff for trousers (1931)
Tapered golf tee (1899)
Machine gun (1918)


Looks to me as I reviewed the much larger list of inventors that they invented many things which have contributed to modern American society. The above list is just a few things that I found in a Google search of "Black Inventors."

P.S. I also happen to know that a black guy working in Edison's office invented the carbon filament in the electric light bulb.



Also, a black person invented the first gas mask and traffic signals.

Obscurity is the Artist's Refuge


guiltpuppy
(cracked actor)
05/23/06 02:00 AM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Atonalexpress]  

In reply to:

The above list is just a few things that I found in a Google search of "Black Inventors."



Of course. Everyone knows that Google is controlled by Jews.



Strawman
(acolyte)
05/23/06 07:37 AM
Re: Surely you're joking, this is 2006 new [re: Atonalexpress]  

Christ, I didn't realise the blacks had invented so many wonderful & important things!

My life, up until now, would've surely been incomplete without the Folding Chair & the Tapered Golf Tee.

Seriously though - only a lazy black would invent a fuckety chair that folds.





Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/23/06 12:39 PM
Hang the queen from every streetlight new [re: Strawman]  

Strawman, it's not funny.

I know you think it humorous to watch people squirm as you purvey stilted (yet completely uninformed) notions of race which you feel we reject on the basis of their being taboo. Now, I would argue that it's less about that as it is that there is a new consensus, particularly among people of my generation, that these ideas are patently absurd but that's not even the issue.

It is irresponsible to put forth this kind of hate speech in a public forum. It is your privilege to exploit the aversion to unresearched crap like O'Farrell for a laugh but you are not considering the effect that it has on people who actually do have to deal with racism on a daily basis. It hardly matters to them that you're joking (not that they'd ever know because admitting that would ruin the joke, right?). Your raving is just another slap in the face dealt by the sick, racist society you pretend to defend.

Act your fucking age. Trolling on internet message boards is unbecoming for 13-year-olds but at least its expected when they do it. When 50-somethings act like petulant children, well, that's just sad.

Also, just a point of order: there is no biological basis for race. The genetic variation between members of different "races" can be less than the genetic variation between members of the same one. There exists no data to support ascribing behavioral patterns to "racial" genetics; it's all just wishful speculation on the part of small men who want to blame another for their own unhappiness.

I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

Strawman
(acolyte)
05/24/06 06:36 AM
Too right, it's not funny new [re: Wraith2]  

How dare you take the moral high ground with me you jumped-up, Marxist twat! Communism, a foul ideology if ever there was one, has only been in existence for 80 odd years & is responsible for around 40 million deaths, & counting, already - but hey, the policies you aspire to are inoffensive right?

For the record I deplore any extremist organisations, but so long as there's a thing such as free speech, the very thing you lefties would dangerously condemn, they've just as much right to their views & opinions as you & I.

I imagine the illegal Mexican loves your type as you lay back to give him a blow-job before he goes on to do your mother up the arse & finishes by kicking each & everyone of your teeth down the back of your scrawny, white neck & leaving you for dead.

Yes, Wraith, that's exactly how you will be rewarded for your idealistic liberalism.

There has to be some kind of world order, and if it comes by way of conservativism and your rough summarisation of a conservative is one of being an irresponsible & humourless racist who should act his fucking age, then so be it.

Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/24/06 11:30 AM
Fuck Nazi Sympathy new [re: Strawman]  

Number one: I'm not a communist.

Number two: I'm certainly not a liberal.

Number three: I didn't say that you weren't allowed to talk racist bullshit, I said it was irresponsible to do so for the purpose of making a joke because it affects other people in a serious way. Now drop the fucking act and apologize.

Number four:


I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

th0mas
(acolyte)
05/24/06 03:22 PM
Re: Fuck Nazi Sympathy new [re: Wraith2]  

Is the poor guy angry because the nazis chopped his fingers? Or is this really just a stupid propaganda picture without any deeper meaning and completly lacking any artistic intention and therefore being in one league with pornography, commercials or republican propaganda? This wouldn't make it incorrect. Just a little dull.


Liest das denn keiner außer mir?

Atonalexpress
(acolyte)
05/24/06 03:29 PM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

Hate to get in the middle of this feud but, according to this article:

A WORLD WITHOUT OUR PEOPLE!!!!! America would be in the dark today.

"This is a story about a group of people who were fed up with African Americans, so they joined together and decided to wish us away.

After wishing so hard, they found themselves in a sort of twilight zone where there was an America without black people. At first these "visionaries" breathed a sigh of relief.

At last, they say, no more crime, drugs, violence and welfare.

All the blacks have gone!! It makes you wonder...

Where would America be without us??

There would be very few crops that would have flourished because the nation was built on a slave-supported system.
There are no cities with tall skyscrapers because Alexander Miles, a black man, invented the elevator, and without it one finds great difficulty reaching high floors.

There are few if any cars because Richard Spikes, a black man, invented the automatic gear shift, Joseph Gammel, also black, invented the supercharge system for internal combustion engines, and Garret A. Morgan invented the traffic signals.

Furthermore, one could not use the rapid transit system because its precursor was the electric trolley, which was invented by another black man, Elbert R. Robinson.

Even if there were streets on which cars and a rapid transit system could operate, they were cluttered with paper because an African American, Charles Brooks, invented the street sweeper.

There were few if any newspapers, magazines and books because John Love invented the pencil sharpener, William Purvis invented the fountain pen, Lee Burridge invented the type writing machine and W A. Lovette invented the advanced printing press.

They were all black.

Even if Americans could write their letters, articles and books,
they would not have been transported by mail because William Barry invented the postmarking and canceling machine, William Purvis invented the handstamp and Philip Downin invented the letter drop.

The lawns were brown and wilted because Joseph Smith invented the lawn sprinkler and John Burr the lawn mower.

When they entered their homes, they found them to be poorly ventilated and heated. You see, Frederick Jones invented the air conditioner and Alice Parker the heating furnace.

Their homes were also filthy because Thomas W. Stewart invented the mop and Lloyd P. Ray the dust pan.

Their children met them at the door barefooted, shabby, motley and unkempt. But what could one expect, Jan E. Matzelinger invented the shoe lasting machine, Walter Sammons invented the comb, Lydia O. Newman invented the brush, Sarah Boone invented the ironing board and George T. Samon invented the clothes dryer.

Finally, they were resigned to at least have dinner amidst all of this turmoil. But here again, the food had spoiled because another black man, John Standard invented the refrigerator.

No light to eat their spoiled meal because the filament within the light bulb was invented by a black man.

Now we've quickly learned more about what it would be like if there were no black people in the world, especially if we were ever sick and needed blood. Dr. Charles Drew, a black scientist, found a way to preserve and store blood, which led to his starting the world's first blood bank.

Well, what if a family member had to have heart surgery?
This would not have been possible without Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, a black doctor, who performed the first open-heart surgery.

And lastly, A Father of the Internet "Philip Emeagwali, a computer scientist, is one of the fathers of the Internet and a trailblazer in petroleum extraction," reports CNN. Click Here! to learn more about the Bill Gates of Africa.

So, if you ever wonder, where would we be without black people?

Well, it's pretty plain to see.

We would still be in the DARK!"



Here are some more black inventors with their inventions:

1 A.P. Abourne- Refining of coconut oil. July 27, 1980
2 A. B. Blackburn -Spring seat for chairs. Patent# 380,420 April 3, 1888
3 A.C. Richardson -Casket-Lowering Device. Patent# 529,311 November 13, 1894
4 A.C. Richardson- Churn. Patent # 466,470 February 17, 1891
5 A.E. Long and A.A. Jones -Caps For Bottles And Jars 1898
6 A.L. Lewis - Window Cleaner 1892
7 A.L. Rickman - Galoshes 1898
8 Anna M. Mangin - Pastry fork March 1, 1892
9 Alexander P. Ashbourne - Biscuit Cutter November, 1875
10 Alexander Miles -Elevator and also safety device for elevators. Patent No. 371,207 October11, 1887
11 Alfred L. Cralle - Ice Cream Scooper. Patent # 576,395 February 2,1897
12 Alice Parker - Heating Furnace 1918
13 Andrew Beard - Automatic Car Coupling Device 1897
14 Augustus Jackson - Ice cream 1832
15 B. F. Cargill - Invalid cot. Patent# 629,658 July 25, 1899
16 B.F. Jackson - Gas Burner
17 Benjamin Banneker Clock, Prints for Wash. DC 1st Almanac
18 Bessie V. Griffin - Portable Receptacle 1951
19 C.B. Brook - Street Sweeper 1896
20 C.V. Richey - Fire Escape Bracket. Patent # 596,427 December 28, 1897
21 C. W. Allen - Self Leveling table. Patent # 613,436 November 1, 1898
22 D. McCree - Portable Fire Escape. Patent # 440,322 November 11, 1890
23 Darryl Thomas - Cattle Roping Apparatus
24 Dr. Charles Drew - Invented Blood Banks And Established Them Around The World 1940
25 Dr. Daniel Hale Williams - Performed First Open Heart Surgery 1893
26 Edmond Berger - Spark Plug
27 Elbert R. Robinson - Electric Railway Trolley
28 Ellen Elgin - Clothes Wringer 1880s
29 Elijah Mccoy - Automatic Lubrication System (For Railroad And Heavy Machinery) 1892 July 2, 1872
30 Folarin Sosan Package-Park -(Solves Package Delivery Dilemma) www.maita.com 1997
31 Frederick Jones - Ticket Dispensing Machine. Patent # 2163754 June 27, 1939
32 Frederick Jones - Starter Generator. Patent # 2475842 July 12, 1949
33 Frederick Jones -Two-Cycle gasoline Engine. Patent # 2523273 November 28, 1950
34 Frederick Jones - Air Condition. Patent # 2475841 July 12, 1949
35 Frederick Jones - Portable X-Ray Machine


Obscurity is the Artist's Refuge


Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/24/06 03:47 PM
S/he *clearly* has fingers! new [re: th0mas]  

uh...th0mas? What the hell are you talking about? I'm not trying to be patronizing, I just honestly have no idea what it is about that image that offends you.

I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

guiltpuppy
(cracked actor)
05/24/06 04:23 PM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Atonalexpress]  

In reply to:

Walter Sammons invented the comb, Lydia O. Newman invented the brush,


Oh really? I thought combs and brushes have existed since prehistory. Maybe Walter and Lydia are prehistoric names?

In reality Sammons patented a heated comb (designed to straighten hair), and Newman patented a certain brush design which was easy to clean. Neither of which are still in anything resembling wide use today.

I was going to look into some of the other misrepresentations there, but it looks like it's already been done.

Atonal, I'm not trying to contradict the sentiment, but I find it amusing how obviously that article was written by someone who just scanned over a a really unspecific list of black inventors and their inventions, without any research or even apparent thought put into it. They just saw things like "Walter Sammons - comb" and somehow assumed that this meant that the comb had been invented by this man. Which is comical in one way, and pretty sad in another.



Persilot
(stardust savant)
05/24/06 04:25 PM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: guiltpuppy]  

Guiltpuppy is right. You really need to check over this stuff with a fine toothcomb before you post it.

Just a little bit of it can bring you up or down.Like the supper it is cooking in your hometown.it is chicken, it is eggs, it is in between your legs.it is walking on the moon, leaving your cocoon.

th0mas
(acolyte)
05/24/06 04:31 PM
but really short ones new [re: Wraith2]  

The dumbness in it. It is a stupid way of saying something which is right. Propaganda without giving a reason.

When I see something like that, it reminds me of those:





Liest das denn keiner außer mir?

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/24/06 04:32 PM
Not really my argument, but fuck it... new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

Number three: I didn't say that you weren't allowed to talk racist bullshit, I said it was irresponsible to do so for the purpose of making a joke because it affects other people in a serious way. Now drop the fucking act and apologize.


But isn't this sort of a roundabout way of saying that we aren't allowed to talk racist bullshit? If we are allowed to do one thing but are then required to say that we don't mean to do it, doesn't that essentially strip the action of all meaning? If so, what would be the point of doing the said thing in the first place?

It's not so much that I support racism; I don't. But if someone wants to portray themselves that way - joking or not - I don't really think it's anyone's business to expect them to stop. Have your say about the matter but remember that it's their username and their reputation to fuck up, not yours.

(insert catch phrase)

Starlite
(acolyte)
05/24/06 05:02 PM
Re: Not really my argument, but fuck it... new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

But isn't this sort of a roundabout way of saying that we aren't allowed to talk racist bullshit?


Not really, I don't think. You're allowed to talk racist bullshit as long as you realize you're being potentially irresponsible and hurtful. You don't have to say that you "don't mean it," but I think Wraith was just pointing out the fact that maybe Strawman hadn't considered all the effects of such speech. If Strawman in fact has, then he can knock himself out "playing" at being a racist asshole.

Wraith can knock himself out calling him irresponsible and damaging and whatever other criticism can be leveled at that type of behavior, too. Neither's really shutting the other up.

(And even though I remember some old TW rules saying that racism would not be tolerated on here, I would be really upset if Adam or some other moderators, say, went and edited Starwman's posts for offensive race content. I do like that we can be all sorts of assholes on this site without much reprobation.)

I should like to say that I think it's pretty hard to find even faux racism of this kind funny unless you're coming from a position of white priviledge, though.

(That is, I actually find that site Strawie cribbed from pretty hilarious, but I don't find the idea of "pretending" to be racist in such a way as to convince people you really are particularly amusing.)



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/24/06 05:27 PM
Here, let me kiss your ass new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

I should like to say that I think it's pretty hard to find even faux racism of this kind funny unless you're coming from a position of white priviledge, though.


Oh fucking hell...whatever. Have I mentioned that you are a better person than I am?

Otherwise, I think your post added the bits that I missed in mine.

In reply to:

I don't find the idea of "pretending" to be racist in such a way as to convince people you really are particularly amusing.


I'd like to go on record as saying that I think it's fucking hilarious. But you know me and my white sense of privelege...

(insert catch phrase)

Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/24/06 05:29 PM
Tube disasters new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

th0mas: It is a stupid way of saying something which is right.


Christ, man, you need to lighten up. That picture isn't trying to convince anyone of anything save for the fact that its creators and all who reproduce it don't like fascism. It's not an argument, it's a self-selected representation.

In reply to:

Monkeyboy: But isn't this sort of a roundabout way of saying that we aren't allowed to talk racist bullshit?


First of all, I recognize that I don't have any authority to make Strawman do anything. Second, I'm working on the assumption that he doesn't actually hate people of color (very much) and has merely taken a joke too far. I'm soliciting voluntary self-censure on his part. I'm also calling him a childish prick. Because he is.

In reply to:

But if someone wants to portray themselves that way - joking or not - I don't really think it's anyone's business to expect them to stop.


I agree in some situations, but I also think this affects more than just the reputation of the provocateur. With hate speech, it's important to draw the distinction between an abstract discussion of controversial views and the deliberate infliction of psychic violence on other people. If I was presented with a treatise on racialism that was not openly aggressive, then I would have no problem with its existence (and no problem refuting it). However, people like O'Farrell write documents that aim to cause pain and I see no reason to respect their right to slander.

I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

Persilot
(stardust savant)
05/24/06 05:50 PM
Re: Tube disasters new [re: Wraith2]  

In TW land, racism, homophobia, sexism and violence all pale into insignificance in light of the ultimate crime.

Daring to suggest that someone's freedom of expression should be curtailed!!!

Just a little bit of it can bring you up or down.Like the supper it is cooking in your hometown.it is chicken, it is eggs, it is in between your legs.it is walking on the moon, leaving your cocoon.

Starlite
(acolyte)
05/24/06 05:57 PM
Let's keep the foreplay to the PMs new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Oh fucking hell...whatever. Have I mentioned that you are a better person than I am?


I seriously wish I could see where you're getting that from my post. :-/ I mean, honestly.

I mean, I might approve or disapprove of something, or think that something's one way or another, but what does that have to do with being a better person? I might be entirely wrong. I might be right. In any case, it's not like that one thing has anything to do with the worth of a person, anyway.



Persilot
(stardust savant)
05/24/06 06:03 PM
Just out of interest new [re: Starlite]  

So honestly though... do you think you probably are a better person than Monkeyboy or not?

Just a little bit of it can bring you up or down.Like the supper it is cooking in your hometown.it is chicken, it is eggs, it is in between your legs.it is walking on the moon, leaving your cocoon.

Starlite
(acolyte)
05/24/06 06:10 PM
Re: Just out of interest new [re: Persilot]  

Honestly, this is a pretty funny question due to the fact that I generally have issues with self-esteem and tend to think I'm a worse person than most rather than better.

But honestly again, I really don't know Monkeyboy at all well enough to make that type of judgement call. And except in cases of stark extremes, I'm not even sure such judgement calls are possible.



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/24/06 08:49 PM
Re: Tube disasters new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

However, people like O'Farrell write documents that aim to cause pain and I see no reason to respect their right to slander.


I think this is the big point where you and I differ on such things. I tend to encourage this type of bullshit because all it does is make the people who write it seem like ignorant assholes. I guess I'm coming from the assumption that racists (or an "ist" for that matter) aren't taken seriously by rational people. That being the case, the louder they scream their rhetoric - to me - the bigger red flag they are raising above their own heads. That and it's usually fucking funny to see their twisted logic. Sad, yes...but often funny at the same time.

But then again, I'm coming from a sense of white privelege so you should probably ignore anything that I have to say about anything not having to do with myself.

(insert catch phrase)

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/24/06 08:56 PM
Re: Let's keep the foreplay to the PMs new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

I mean, I might approve or disapprove of something, or think that something's one way or another, but what does that have to do with being a better person? I might be entirely wrong. I might be right. In any case, it's not like that one thing has anything to do with the worth of a person, anyway.


There's an implied judgement in saying that you don't find something controversial funny. I guess it's something like how I once stated that I refuse to eat an all veggie meal. You know, it's hard to say these things without there being an implied "because I'm better than that" being tacked on at the end.

That and I really think that you feel a sense of moral superiority, generally speaking. I just like to bring it up every now and then. But we've talked about that.

(insert catch phrase)

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/24/06 09:00 PM
Bullshit new [re: Starlite]  

Come on, Starlite. Don't dodge the question.

(insert catch phrase)

Starlite
(acolyte)
05/24/06 10:05 PM
Re: Bullshit new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Sigh... no, see, that's not it. You keep asking me a question that seriously makes no sense to me. It's like I kept asking you if the sky were soft or hard, and got all impatient when you had a hard time answering.

In reply to:

You know, it's hard to say these things without there being an implied "because I'm better than that" being tacked on at the end.


For you, I guess. (And this is not because "I'm better than you," it's because "I guess I'm different than you.") Let's use vegetarianism as an example. Do I think it's wrong/bad to eat meat? Yeah. But does that mean I'm somehow a "better person" than anyone who does eat meat? Obviously not.

Because:

a) That person might be operating within a moral/conceptual system where according to their rules, it would NOT be wrong/bad to eat meat.

b) That person might do a whole bunch of other stuff that's really great, and have a genuine good core that is not impacted by one choice (or non-choice)--thus the eating of meat itself is irrelevant to the person's value.

c) Despite the fact that I do this thing which I consider good, I might be a petty, selfish, nasty creature in general. Thus I would in no way be the better person.

So, let me put in another way, was there "implied jufgement" in my comment that I don't like mock-racism of the type I descreibed? Yes! It wasn't even implied, I'll state right out that no, I don't like it and consider it "bad."

But if you're coming from an entirely different conceptual system, you may not see it this way. And so I'd hardly say you're inherently somehow a "worse" person just because I perceive a thing you do as displeasing, since you operate within a diffferent set of rules anyway.

And because of the fact that most people don't all have the same head-space, I think it's ridiculous to try and judge who's a better person than someone else anyway. Even the question is subjective, since people value different things in determining "better." For instance, I value empathy very highly, while as Wraith2 often considers it an unproductive expenditure of energy. We would likely have somewhat different opinions of the "goodness" of someone who is highly empathetic but who's too shy/scatterbrained/unmotivated to actially put that towards productive use.

But if one were to try and judge, one would need to have a very good understanding of the person, including not just a cross-sample of his or her actions, but also motivations and private views, and feelings, and emotional reactions, etc. Since I have only a very limited view of yours, Monkeyboy (as you've pointed out previously) I can hardly answer this question.



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/24/06 10:20 PM
Re: Bullshit new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

But if one were to try and judge, one would need to have a very good understanding of the person, including not just a cross-sample of his or her actions, but also motivations and private views, and feelings, and emotional reactions, etc. Since I have only a very limited view of yours, Monkeyboy (as you've pointed out previously) I can hardly answer this question.


Yeah, but you can take a stab at it.

(insert catch phrase)

theidiot2
(grinning soul)
05/25/06 05:20 AM
Re: Tube disasters new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

I tend to encourage this type of bullshit because all it does is make the people who write it seem like ignorant assholes. I guess I'm coming from the assumption that racists (or an "ist" for that matter) aren't taken seriously by rational people. That being the case, the louder they scream their rhetoric - to me - the bigger red flag they are raising above their own heads.


The thing is you can't assume everyone's considering it rationally. "Dr" Ian Paisley is the leader of the biggest political party in Northern Ireland, and has been spouting similar bigotry about the evilness of Catholicism for forty years. He's clearly ridiculous, even calls Guinness the Devil's buttermilk (which is admittedly quite funny), but according to him the Pope is the Antichrist and lots of people swallow it up. In his constituency a fifteen year old Catholic boy was beaten to death on account of his religion. I'm not saying there's a direct link, or that "Dr" Paisley orders this sort of thing, but it's typical of the division his rhetoric fuels.



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/25/06 07:15 AM
Re: Tube disasters new [re: theidiot2]  

Extreme ideologies of all types have their depressing sides as well as their hilarious ones. I guess choosing to laugh at it is my way of dealing with the fact that it's all the uncomfortable side of free speech - which I totally support. Maybe I'm just more of an optimist than I come across as here in that I think that hateful rhetoric just doesn't speak to the general public in any meaningful way.

But then again, I'm speaking from a position of white privelege. Feel free to ignore my opinions because of it.

(insert catch phrase)

Shelle
(cracked actor)
05/25/06 12:54 PM
Nigs can laugh at themselves too, honest they can new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

I should like to say that I think it's pretty hard to find even faux racism of this kind funny unless you're coming from a position of white priviledge, though.



Humor by its very nature is divisive rather than universal, and us privileged whiteys have a right to a few laughs too as we go about our business of ru(i)nning the planet in our Guccis and knocking back frappucinos.

Think about how you'd feel if someone said "You'd have to be black to find THAT funny".

Me like bison flesh
Roast on fire for make eat safe
Keep bone for make tool
Guiltpuppy's haiku



Strawman
(acolyte)
05/25/06 01:54 PM
Re: Nigs can laugh at themselves too, honest they can new [re: Shelle]  

Thank goodiness for the voice of reason!

One of my bestest & closest friends ever was a spade - Peter, God (or somebody you aspire to, living or dead, entity or non-entity, no bones..) bless him, died at the tender age of 28 back in 1987 & vice versa - we were pretty much inseparable throughtout our last two years at school, where we met, right up until he got wed at the age of 25 - I still miss him very, very much.

Pete, would've laughed long & hard at the content within this thread.

That said, it seems that certain quarters here are offended by my pretending to be racist and to those people I offer my apologies.

The Great Grey Grasshopper

Black Prism
(cracked actor)
05/25/06 03:19 PM
Norfolk - the New Nig Nirvana? new [re: Strawman]  

Yeah, I imagine you had a lot in common. I suppose Pete voted BNP as well, didn't he?

Is there any means to verify this story, like a photo of you together (y'know, one taken with the flash on, so we could actually see him?)

[neon]I'm not trolling; I'm moderating. [/neon]

Starlite
(acolyte)
05/26/06 02:16 AM
It really does depemd on who's doing the joking new [re: Shelle]  

In reply to:

Think about how you'd feel if someone said "You'd have to be black to find THAT funny".


I wouldn't feel anything--I think that's a perfectly valid statement. The appreciation of humor generally hinges on experience. Coming from another culture, I can tell you there are plenty of jokes that I'd say "you have to be Jewish to find that funny," or "you'd have to have lived in Soviet Russia" to find that funny," and so on. Now, of course, with staements like "you have to be black/Jewish" what's really meant is "you have to be familiar with the black/Jewish/etc experience to find that funny"--it isn't determined by skincolor/ethnicity alone.

And I should say that when I said that one would have to come from a position of white priviledge, I did not necessarily mean that one has to be white. It's possible to ally oneself with whiteness and some of its priviledges even if one is of a different ethnicity; it's just not as common.



guiltpuppy
(cracked actor)
05/26/06 02:35 AM
Re: Norfolk - the New Nig Nirvana? new [re: Black Prism]  

I don't think anybody ever took a photo of them, for fear that Pete might steal the camera.

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Strawman
(acolyte)
05/26/06 06:53 AM
Re: Norfolk - the New Nig Nirvana? new [re: Black Prism]  

In reply to:

Yeah, I imagine you had a lot in common.


I'm suprised a person of your complexities pertains to such a simple philosophy on what the basis for friendship is.

In reply to:

I suppose Pete voted BNP as well, didn't he?


I can't vouch for it, the same way as I'm unable to provide photographical or any other means of evidence of our friendship, but I sincerely doubt that Peter ever visited a polling booth, and me likewise - we were too busy living life to the full to care about politics - before internet message boards & LJ's, that's what young people use to do, young man.

The Great Grey Grasshopper

CharlieManson
(kook)
05/26/06 07:33 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

Racist cunt!


I'll slash them cold, I'll kill them dead
I'll break them gooks, I'll crack their heads
I'll slice them till they're running red
But now I've got the running gun blues


Tristan
(legendary cowboy)
05/26/06 07:48 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  




Censorship in America.


Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/26/06 02:13 PM
Gentrification: flavor of the month new [re: Monkeyboy]  

First off, Strawman, I honestly appreciate the sentiments.

Second, not to open this can of worms again, but

In reply to:

Monkeyboy: I'm speaking from a position of white privelege


I don't get what you think is so funny about this. The concept of recognizing one's privilege as a member of a class, race, gender or species that has dominated an area doesn't have anything to do with undercutting the validity of your beliefs and opinions. I feel like you're conflating the concept of recognizing white privilege with embracing white liberal guilt, the former being a productive exercise in trying to understand the different place from which you're coming and the effect it has on other people, the latter being a pointless exercise in ascetic handwringing and democrat-voting.

In reply to:

Maybe I'm just more of an optimist than I come across as here in that I think that hateful rhetoric just doesn't speak to the general public in any meaningful way.


Man, look at the coverage of the immigration issue in this country. There's some pretty intense hateful rhetoric coming from all the mainstream news stations and it's a minority that's standing up to say anything in reply. Far from causing something to click in all of our rational minds such that we reject it, all this does is normalize the ideas because they're everywhere. Not to evoke everyone's favorite ad absurdum comparison, but I don't think anyone was laughing in Germany 'round about 1932.

All of that aside, I'm not even talking about the effect that hateful rhetoric has on the general public. Ignoring the way it incites people to action, I think certain types of speech can inflict psychic violence on their targets. The recognizing white privilege part comes in when you realize that, as such actions do not target you, you would logically not understand the full effect they have on those who they do target. If we want to be anti-racists, then I would say we are obliged to talk to those being targetted and see how they feel about what is being said. If there's no problem, there's no problem, but if we're talking about speech that makes people feel unsafe in their own neighborhoods, then something has to be done.

Basically, I just feel like it's problematic to put public speech in this abstract removed category. I can talk about theories of race in a detached manner because no one has ever tried to exploit me with race as an excuse. However, a lot of people have been exploited in that way and don't have the luxury of distance from what we're positioning as a removed civil discourse. Not everyone can laugh off the Klan or the Minutemen.

I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/26/06 05:07 PM
Re: Gentrification: flavor of the month new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

Not everyone can laugh off the Klan or the Minutemen.


I understand that. I guess my point is that while my ongoing battle for universal understanding of basic human decency continues, I need to be able to laugh it off at the same time. Not everyone deals with ugliness in the same way. As I've said before, I'm relatively sure that I'm a good person. As such, I feel that I can find the things funny that I find funny without much concern for what it ultimately means. This might make some people uncomfortable but they can go to fuck themselves for all I care.

I hate to break it to everyone, but TW is probably the last place that I go if I'm looking for a serious discussion. Too many retards and losers to deal with. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just sort of wish it never did.

In reply to:

I don't get what you think is so funny about this. The concept of recognizing one's privilege as a member of a class, race, gender or species that has dominated an area doesn't have anything to do with undercutting the validity of your beliefs and opinions. I feel like you're conflating the concept of recognizing white privilege with embracing white liberal guilt, the former being a productive exercise in trying to understand the different place from which you're coming and the effect it has on other people, the latter being a pointless exercise in ascetic handwringing and democrat-voting.


I agree with you on this. I'm just fucking with Starlite with the white priveledge thing. I understand where she's coming from, to a point, but there comes a time where we either have to accept the fact that white heterosexual males aren't all imperialist sex offenders or just stop the bullshit and put us all in some island prison. To put it another way: I understand the history of it but let's please accept the truth that we still exist and this "sins of the father" bullshit is really unfair.

Oops, I overstepped. I'll be checking my PM box for Starlite's latest attempt to save my soul. [hold music]

(insert catch phrase)

Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/26/06 06:33 PM
Mutiny in Jonestown new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

I need to be able to laugh it off at the same time. Not everyone deals with ugliness in the same way.



Right. I wouldn't presume to tell you that you can't laugh at ridiculous racists because I certainly do at times. I just also think it's important to take other proactive approaches in addition to that.

In reply to:

TW is probably the last place that I go if I'm looking for a serious discussion. Too many retards and losers to deal with.



Yeah, but we can just laugh at them, right? Come on, Jamiesim is the ultimate rhetorical device!

In reply to:

I'm just fucking with Starlite



Yeah, I also think you're putting a lot of stuff on her that she's not saying. I mean, everytime she tries to talk to you about anything you throw your hands up and call it an inquisition. For the life of me, I can't understand why you'll listen to (and agree with!) the same arguments from me but characterize them as a malicious attempt to control you/establish a sense of moral superiority when it's from her.

I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

Strawman
(acolyte)
05/26/06 06:35 PM
Re: Gentrification: flavor of the month new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

but there comes a time where we either have to accept the fact that white heterosexual males aren't all imperialist sex offenders or just stop the bullshit and put us all in some island prison. To put it another way: I understand the history of it but let's please accept the truth that we still exist and this "sins of the father" bullshit is really unfair.







The Great Grey Grasshopper

to_dizzy
(electric tomato)
05/26/06 06:38 PM
Re: Gentrification: flavor of the month new [re: Strawman]  

Please! end this thread now. I have an online predators thread way below this one, let's all go there and comment on the naked guys who show up in children's homes.

Please? I've only gotten one reply, from Charles Manson, and I feel my social standing here is at stake.



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/26/06 06:39 PM
Alright, I confess new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

Yeah, I also think you're putting a lot of stuff on her that she's not saying. I mean, everytime she tries to talk to you about anything you throw your hands up and call it an inquisition. For the life of me, I can't understand why you'll listen to (and agree with!) the same arguments from me but characterize them as a malicious attempt to control you/establish a sense of moral superiority when it's from her.


It's cause she's a chick.

In reply to:

I just also think it's important to take other proactive approaches in addition to that.


And I do. Just not here. I don't have the energy to take on the world at all times in all places. Much as it may be a total shock to some people, TW is probably at the bottom of my social causes totem pole. Below Myspace, even.

(insert catch phrase)

Edited by Monkeyboy on 05/26/06 06:42 PM (server time).



Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/26/06 06:42 PM
Rack 'em up! new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

It's cause she's a chick.


Really?

I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/26/06 06:44 PM
Victory is mine! new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

Really?


Believe it if you want to. I don't feel sexist is all I'm going to say.

(insert catch phrase)

Wraith2
(stardust savant)
05/26/06 06:56 PM
I surrendered a long time ago new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Believe it if you want to.


I don't want to.

In reply to:

I don't feel sexist is all I'm going to say.


I would think that sexism is experienced primarily by its target rather than its purveyor. I mean, I'm just sayin'.

I just want to hold your pretty hand; the rest of you can be dissolved in acid

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/26/06 08:20 PM
Postmodern Homophobic Racist Chauvanist 101 new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

I would think that sexism is experienced primarily by its target rather than its purveyor.


Ah! A "the meaning of all art lies in the response of its audience" type of thing. I can't argue with that. But just keep in mind that it's the Jews I really hate, not women or nigs.

(insert catch phrase)

Starlite
(acolyte)
05/27/06 02:30 AM
Re: Gentrification: flavor of the month new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

understand where she's coming from, to a point, but there comes a time where we either have to accept the fact that white heterosexual males aren't all imperialist sex offenders or just stop the bullshit and put us all in some island prison. To put it another way: I understand the history of it but let's please accept the truth that we still exist and this "sins of the father" bullshit is really unfair.


Uh.... Monkeyboy? Dearheart? I'd really love to see where I've said stuff like that. Obviously I can't think that all white heterosexual males are evil instruments of the patriarchy, or, well, my friendship with Wraith2 would have a somewhat different tinge. And in fact people insisting that men are forever "doomed" to be imperialist sex offenders really pisses me off, and I constantly argue against this. (Hell, I put my grade average in jeopardy this semester because I took a feminist theory class where the professor leant toward that viewpoint and I argued with her in every class.)

In reply to:

I'll be checking my PM box for Starlite's latest attempt to save my soul.


Just admit it, Monkeyboy, you want me. I don't see what else this constant referencing of me by name and clear attempts to get me to contact you can be!



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/27/06 04:20 AM
Re: Gentrification: flavor of the month new [re: Starlite]  

Well, I was talking big picture. And mostly fucking with you.

In reply to:

Just admit it, Monkeyboy, you want me.


Naw, I don't like chicks with strong viewpoints.

(insert catch phrase)

Shelle
(stardust savant)
05/27/06 02:30 PM
Being friends with a eunuch don't mean u like dick new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

my friendship with Wraith2 would have a somewhat different tinge



You've got to admit though, when it comes to the sexism thing, Wraith2 is about as big an Uncle Tom as it's possible to imagine.

Me like bison flesh
Roast on fire for make eat safe
Keep bone for make tool
Guiltpuppy's haiku



Starlite
(acolyte)
05/27/06 03:10 PM
Pffft, he's got at least two. new [re: Shelle]  

In reply to:

You've got to admit though, when it comes to the sexism thing, Wraith2 is about as big an Uncle Tom as it's possible to imagine.


How so? I don't think he sells out his own gender. He just happens to be comfortable with not being in a position of patriarchal authority.



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/27/06 04:41 PM
Re: Pffft, he's got at least two. new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

He just happens to be comfortable with not being in a position of patriarchal authority.


OH JESUS FUCK!!

(insert catch phrase)

Starlite
(acolyte)
05/27/06 06:15 PM
Re: Pffft, he's got at least two. new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Okay, okay, if admittedly somewhat cliche catchword-phrases like that bother you, I can put it another way:

"I don't think he sells out his gender. He's not even half as girly as some of his friends would like him to be. Come on, he enjoys death metal, pissing in drainage ditches, zombie slasher movies, and a beer with a spliff with his buddies. He's a pretty normal midwestern country boy.

He just happens not to think it's a personal attack on him when issues concerning gender inequalities or sexism are brought up."



Atonalexpress
(acolyte)
05/28/06 03:27 AM
Re: Pffft, he's got at least two. new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Great way to end this thread!



Obscurity is the Artist's Refuge


Black Prism
(cracked actor)
05/28/06 07:06 AM
Remember: Patriarch = Alpha Male new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

if admittedly somewhat cliche catchword-phrases like that bother you, I can put it another way:


A wise tact, Ms Starlite. 'Fore you go all postmodern on him, remember that monkeyboy is, what, 36 and still hasn't graduated yet.

[neon]I'm not trolling; I'm moderating. [/neon]

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/28/06 07:17 AM
Re: Remember: Patriarch = Alpha Male new [re: Black Prism]  

29. I'm a lifetime learner.

(insert catch phrase)

Black Prism
(cracked actor)
05/28/06 08:52 AM
Alopeciacs Anonymous new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

29


That's my Monkeyboy vs. Marquis - Premature Baldness thread crushed, then. I was hoping you were exactly the same age.

[neon]I'm not trolling; I'm moderating. [/neon]

Strawman
(acolyte)
05/28/06 09:17 AM
Re: Remember: Patriarch = Alpha Male new [re: Monkeyboy]  

What is it that you're studying, Danielle?

Get Away From The Wall

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/28/06 04:30 PM
Re: Remember: Patriarch = Alpha Male new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

What is it that you're studying,


At this point, a little bit of everything. I've gone through music, photography, theatre, journalism, and art history. It's looking like I'll probably settle down with religion and history for the first two degrees. After that, who knows. I'm one of these fucks who actually enjoys school so I'm not really in a hurry to get to some artificial end goal. This troubles my family greatly, what with all the drinking on top of it.

(insert catch phrase)

Black Prism
(cracked actor)
05/28/06 04:41 PM
Monkeyboi new [re: Strawman]  

Danielle of course neglected to say that he's been studying poetry (ahemcough), which, well, of course, we shouldn't laugh because, after all, he's been trained so he might be rather good at it.

. . .



I think the very least he could do is supply us with an exerpt of his own material having already posted that of the girl he tried to pull from the same class (and who, evidentally, was so terrified that in her attempts to elude his clutches that she forgot her poetry file).

[neon]I'm not trolling; I'm moderating. [/neon]

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
05/28/06 04:50 PM
Re: Monkeyboi new [re: Black Prism]  

In reply to:

I think the very least he could do is supply us with an exerpt of his own material having already posted that of the girl he tried to pull from the same class (and who, evidentally, was so terrified that in her attempts to elude his clutches that she forgot her poetry file).


I've already said that I'm not very good at it. I posted one poem a while ago and it's not horrible but I wouldn't look to publish it anywhere other than here. The point was never to come off as a better writer than PoetryGrrl because I'm not.

(insert catch phrase)

Strawman
(chameleon, comedian, corinthian and caricature)
09/20/07 11:50 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

Can you believe the audacity of that tyrannical fuck, Mugabe!?

He blames the British government for the economic crisis in Zimbabwe WHAT!!! We provide forty million quid per year in aid and support for HIV/AIDS programmes and a further eight million of aid through the World Food Programme.

On top of all that we're the fuckers prompting the world to make more sanctions.

27 years these stupid cunts have had to make a decent fist of things - 27 YEARS FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!



RabbitFighter
(incestuous and vain)
09/20/07 11:54 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

I'd be shocked if Mugabe came up with something that wasn't batshit crazy...

I don't get along with myself
And I'm not too keen on anyone else



forgetthatim50
(kook)
09/20/07 07:56 PM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

the bushman knows where the mamba and crocidile are everyday. we have ever changeable pit falls in our jungle, which we made ourselves.



JarethsGirl
(acolyte)
09/21/07 07:53 AM
Fun fact new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

(ever seen a black polar bear?)


Actually, polar bears are black.. only their fur is white, (though the hairs are actually clear, hollow tubes which only appear to be white by reflecting the sun.)

Clowns caress you
Figures undress your fear


JarethsGirl
(acolyte)
09/24/07 02:35 AM
Re: Fact, not racism.. new [re: Strawman]  

Okay... Fact, not racism...

I'm working the weekends at a haunted attraction as a zombie, right... On average, I get mixed groups of about five people every two minutes. I say that to make this observation seem more scientifical... Anyway, I've noticed that black people are alot jumpier in haunted houses. I hate making a blanket statement like that, but if I was going to vouch for the credibility of any stereotype, it would be this one.

The area I work in is a graveyard walk-through, and I honestly can't tell you how many black people, guys and gals of every age, that I've seen running/flailing/screaming/pushing people out of the way and falling into bushes.

So there, I said it.

Also, I feel compelled to mention that the preppy white tweenage kids are the most intolerably obnoxious little shits on the planet. Half the girls are buried in their hoodies or cell phones from the door, and the guys are squeaky pimple-faced pricks who try to be macho and continuously fail, almost as much as they fail to be cleverly insulting.

I wish I knew how to quit you...


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