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Dara
(acolyte)
06/21/06 07:11 AM
Re: Nomination new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

Was anybody left home who could have helped?



There's a few with varying claims.

Strongest claim was Darren Bent. He scored more goals last season in the Premiership than any other Englishman. 18 in fact - only Henry and van Nistelrooy got more. Instead Sven brought Owen (7 goals in an injury-plagued campaign), Crouch (just 8 Premship goals) and Mascot, I mean Walcott (0 goals, 0 games).

There was also Jermaine Defoe (9 Premship goals last season, but hasn't really impressed at international level with just 1 goal in 16 appearances).

Slan libh,

Dara

"I could count my friends on one hand, but I'd look like I was giving an invisible friend a hand job." - Shelle

EJ
(byroad singer)
06/21/06 07:19 AM
Re: Nomination new [re: Dara]  

Were there any arguments about the nominations and the idiocy of bringing along two injured and out of form players and a teenager? Did nobody care about cover? Did nobody think about the risks? Wouldn't a fifth attacker in the squad be a must under the circumstances which were clear weeks ago? To me that all looks like terrible management.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


Strawman
(acolyte)
06/21/06 07:19 AM
It'll take a miracle to win anything under Sven new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

Considering the fact that England indeed ran out of steam more than once so far is quite remarkable.


Well, there is the fact that most of Englands players pay the price for competing in the best & most physically demanding League in the world, hence injuries & lack of match fitness.

That said, For once, I cannot disagree with many of the points both yourself & Dara have made here, but it's not all doom & gloom for England - 'least it wouldn't be if Erikkson could find it in himself to make the right decisions, and one of those decisions has already been made for him - Owen is out, so either playing the lone striker in Rooney via a 4-5-1 formation or keeping to a 4-4-2 with both Rooney & Crouch up front are the likely options Erikkson will deploy -- Dropping both Beckham & Lampard are two vital decisions that Erikkson should make, but obviously won't.

My selection for the tie against Ecuador would be:

4-4-2

Robinson - GK
Neville - RB - (provided he's fit, if not, Carragher)
A.Cole - LB
Terry - CB
Campbell - CB
Lennon - RF
Gerrard - MC
Carrick - MC
J.Cole - LF
Rooney - S
Crouch - S

Sure, Crouch is a target man, but unlike Erikkson I would not deploy the wankety long ball game - I would insist that Lennon & J.Cole go 'round the outside of defenders & supply crosses for Crouch to do what he does to great effect at Liverpool, who certainly don't hoof the fucking ball.

But this is all hypothetical 'cause Erikkson is a tosspot.

COME ON ENGLAND!

Dara
(acolyte)
06/21/06 07:47 AM
Dumbination new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

Were there any arguments about the nominations and the idiocy of bringing along two injured and out of form players and a teenager? Did nobody care about cover? Did nobody think about the risks?


You know how reactionary and excitable the English are, or at least their media. They were too excited over their shiny new player and his nice girlfriend, and taking the pronouncements of Sven and his players that they were going to win the World Cup as a sure thing.

I'd pick the same team as Strawman, except for Campbell. I also agree with his point that the Premship is the most physically demanding league in the world. It's not just the English players who are looking heavy-legged: the foreign Premship players aren't exactly setting the stage alight either, apart from the odd lightly played Chelsea player. If their managers had any sense, the emphasis would have been on recovering from the hard club season and doing just enough to maintain fitness, rather than hard training.

Don't agree it's the best league in the world though. I think in a purely footballing sense, the standard is higher in places like Spain and Italy.

Slan libh,

Dara

"I could count my friends on one hand, but I'd look like I was giving an invisible friend a hand job." - Shelle

Arlequino
(cracked actor)
06/21/06 07:49 AM
Re: It'll take a miracle to win anything under Sven new [re: Strawman]  

EJ - there was a definite air of shock when Erikkson picked only four strikers in his squad. A shock that was further compounded by his promotion of Walcott. While most major observers were calling for the inclusion of one from Defoe and Bent, a significant minority were making noises regarding Dean Ashton - link up forward, strong on the ground and in the air, not especially pacey, but with decent vision -, James Beattie - big, physical lump of a centre-forward. Can play like Shearer on occassion. And like Chris Kiwomya on others. - and Marlon Harewood - quick, powerful, aggressive and workmanlike. Had Ashton been fully fit, I get the impression he'd've added another dimension to the attacking line up. A good friend of mine, and a West Ham fan, has been calling for Harewood in the England squad since about December. Whether he's international class is debatable, but he's certainly surprised a few people with his Premiership form.

Injury to Owen, a player severely lacking in practice and form, could turn out to be a small blessing in disguise. I consider myself fully admonished by Owen Hargreaves' performance last night, where, with injury to Michael Owen, he may've played himself into the starting lineup.

A 4-5-1, comprising Gerrard, Lampard and Hargreaves forming a midfield triumvirate with Gerrard as the spearhead and Rooney as the sole striker looks like a definite option now. Crouch is always a better option from the bench, in spite of a decent run in the team. The real concern with this has to be that Rooney isn't the sort of player to benefit from wide balls from the wings. Gerrard would have to get up in support of Rooney, because Lampard doesn't currently seem able to work out where the goal is. Or the ball. Or, for that matter, the pitch.

Of course, my own completely impossible team for the Ecuador game would line up something like this:

GK - Robinson
RB - Carragher (Neville, if fit)
LB - A. Cole
DC - Ferdinand (Campbell, if Ferdinand is unfit)
DC - Terry
MR - Lennon
ML - J. Cole
MC - Beckham - too talented, as Real Madrid form shows
MC - Hargreaves
MC - Gerrard
ST - Rooney

No hope of that, though. Such a formation would allow Lennon and Cole to play as attacking midfielders/withdrawn strikers in the Chelsea/Holland/Bolton (yeah, right) mould. Beckham and Gerrard from central midfield have the ability to ping both long and short balls in an area stabilised by the presence of Owen Hargreaves. And it always leaves the option of a second striker, in Peter Crouch, from the bench,

It won't matter though. Lampard won't be dropped, and Beckham and Lennon won't feature in the same starting line up.

later,
Chris...

I could stay if you asked me,
So for God's sake don't ask me to stay



Strawman
(acolyte)
06/21/06 08:09 AM
Re: Dumbination new [re: Dara]  

Okay, that's enough talk for the time being on Englands seemingly hopeless quest as regards to success in this World Cup.

How about todays fixtures? I'd like to see Portugal beat Mexico and Angola qualify for the second round by doing the necessary against Iran -- to date, both Holland & Argentina haven't played quality sides, so their match should be interesting in revealing how good they actually are, and Ivory Coast versus Serbia doesn't matter.

COME ON ENGLAND!

EJ
(byroad singer)
06/21/06 09:53 AM
Cool Word: Dumbination [re: Strawman]  

Thanks for the info, Dara and Arlequino.

In reply to:

Okay, that's enough talk for the time being on Englands seemingly hopeless quest as regards to success in this World Cup.


Why suddenly so negative? In 1986 Germany reached the final with a Rooney-like handicapped Rudi Völler and the totally and completely injured K.-H. Rummenigge. Two world-class players and keyfiguers in an otherwise limited team were close to falling apart on the field - and still Germany went through to the final. And they even came close to winning it if the German goalie hadn't had some other ideas that afternooon.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


Dara
(acolyte)
06/21/06 11:47 AM
Re: Cool Word: Dumbination new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

Why suddenly so negative?



It's the English way. Flip from one extreme to the other. Lose to Northern Ireland? This must be the worst English team ever! Then beat Argentina in a friendly? Way hay hay, we're gonna win the World Cup with Pelecott!

Some countries are better than others at handling themselves when things go wrong. The Germans in particular just get it into perspective quickly, draw what ever lessons they can, and move on. And as bad as the English are collectively when things go wrong, they're even worse when they go right. By which I mean they blow it out of perspective, and think they've already won the cup on the basis of one victory in a friendly.

The most important thing from England's point of view is that they're safely through the first stage and into the knockout. So it turns out they're not quite as good as they thought or hoped. But from here on in, it's knockout, and on any given day, any given team can beat any of the others. If it was a league, they wouldn't have a hope, but now it's an FA Cup, and midtable sides sometimes win FA Cups, given enough luck and performing on the day.

Could be a great game between Holland and Argentina tonight. Could also be a terrible case of two teams going through the motions too.

Slan libh,

Dara

PS: I forgot Harewood. If Sven wanted a secret weapon, surely a secret weapon with 14 goals in the Premship last season is better than one with none?

"I could count my friends on one hand, but I'd look like I was giving an invisible friend a hand job." - Shelle

Sam_X
(electric tomato)
06/21/06 02:14 PM
Re: Nomination new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

Were there any arguments about the nominations and the idiocy of bringing along two injured and out of form players and a teenager?


Reminds me of our (Czech Rep.) situation. Where's Skacel when we need him? Sure, the Scottish league ain't the best in the world, but hey, Poborsky has been playing the 2nd Czech league (= the bottom of a mud pit) for chrissakes.

Bruckner is a good coach but he is so damn conservative it hurts.

~
If you want to communicate with the youth, you've got to get into social networking. Or emo rock.

candidate0
(electric tomato)
06/21/06 05:28 PM
Re: Two bad sides having an off day new [re: Dara]  

Robinson is not poor, he is possibly the best keeper in the world at the moment, his positioning also wasnt poor, at set plays keepers tend to have players on the posts as this is the one place were they will be beat.
They dont have 8 foot arms.
Also if it wasnt for his fantastic reflex save onto the bar England might well have lost against Sweden.

Bet you are an Arsenal fan..........




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