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b_mardle
(crash course raver)
06/23/06 08:52 AM
Re: Can't afford cable? new [re: Dara]  

I don't personally mind that he is in the team, just as long as there would had been 5 strikers all together. So now we are left in a situation where we don't have a single striker, who is either totally fit or experienced in international level. But let's save the england-talk until sunday.
Congratz aussie-land! But what made even more happier yesterday was that ghana made it to the second round on the expence of czech, bloody awful luck though that they are playing brazil Otherwise they could haved made the quarters - at least. Today south korea will triumph, hopefully france will draw with togo leaving them outside the second round for the seconth time in a row. Actually they have made the second round only once after the 90-wc, and that was of course when they won the whole cup. Just realised too that this is the first time since ве96 that england has won their group in either the wc or the ec

Who fancies tunisias changes 0n succeeding?? I DO!!

But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

Strawman
(acolyte)
06/23/06 08:59 AM
Re: Can't afford cable? new [re: Dara]  

Then you should invest in digital TV too.

Do you wanna sub?

COME ON ENGLAND!

Dara
(acolyte)
06/23/06 09:28 AM
Polluting new [re: b_mardle]  

Great show by the Aussies.

What about Graham Poll though? He must be the worst international referee ever. He was sent home early from the last World Cup in disgrace and I'm pretty certain he's about to be again after last night's shambles. He turned down two stone cold certain Aussie penalty appeals, gave the same player two yellow cards but didn't send him off (a mistake a rookie ref in his first match would get bawled out over), then finally did send him off after the game was over by showing him a third yellow card. Oh, and he blew the final whistle as the ball was on its way into the net.

Why do the FA keep sending this clown to World Cups as their representative? I know the standard of refereeing in England is abysmal, but there are better refs.

Slan libh,

Daz

"I could count my friends on one hand, but I'd look like I was giving an invisible friend a hand job." - Shelle

Strawman
(acolyte)
06/23/06 09:56 AM
Re: Polluting new [re: Dara]  

The standard of Graham Poll's refereeing was truly awful, but what I don't understand is why the other officials of that match failed to intervene?

Surely they should also be accountable?

COME ON ENGLAND!

Dara
(acolyte)
06/23/06 10:29 AM
Re: Polluting new [re: Strawman]  

It depends on how FIFA currently defines their function.

When I started reffing, the ref was like a God, and the linesmen mere functionaries there to help him out. They could only provide assistance and advice to the referee when he asked for it. You could flag to tell him you had something to say, but he could ignore you (and some refs would bawl you out later for having the audacity to flag when not asked to).

Then they redefined the linesmen as "assistant referees", and gave them the power to enter the field of their own volition, instruct the referee to issue yellows or reds and so forth. However, in the event of a dispute, the ref had the ultimate power of decision.

Before every game, the referee issues instructions to the other officials. Mostly these are technical, like which half he wants each assistant to take, which silent (secret) signals he wants used and which positions he wants them to take at corners and frees. But over and above this, referees will always issue informal guidelines, like whether or not he wants the assistants to record goals and cards. Towards the end of my reffing career, I always told my assistants to keep their own record of goals, cards and time, and to feel free to come on the pitch and tell me if they were certain I'd got a decision wrong. But most older refs wouldn't stand for this, and would tell their assistants pretty much that their title may have changed but not their function.

I suspect Poll being a traditional ref told his assistants he didn't want them to intervene unless he asked them to, and he didn't want them recording cards. On the two penalty decisions, the assistant could have flagged to indicate he thought it was a penalty, but in practice when the ref is closer, you never would unless he looks at you for help. If he doesn't, it means he's clear in his own mind it's not a pen and even if you flagged and told him you thought it was, he'd just overrule you and the only result is you'd have unnecessarily undermined his authority.

On the three yellow cards, my assumption is the other officials didn't realise the player had already been carded because they hadn't been told to pay attention to that. Assistant refs always just focus on what they're told to.

Similarly, there's nothing the other officials could have done about Poll's bizarre decision to blow up as the ball was about to enter the net. He is the sole timekeeper. If asked, the assistants will track the time and give a 3 minute and 1 minute and time up signal, but it's up to the ref to decide when the game actually ends.

The fourth official has the power to pull the referee if he's grossly incompetent. You really have to be terrible for this to happen, and on the few occasions it does, it's pretty much always at half time. Poll's insanity really only manifested itself in the second half, so the fourth official probably felt he had to let him finish the game. And gross incompetence really has to be pretty gross: as bad as Poll was, it's not clear he would have been pulled off if he'd make his mistakes in the first half.

As far as gross incompetence goes, an incorrect pen decision never qualifies. That's regarded as forgivable human error, no matter how bad the decision. Similarly, blowing the whistle as the ball goes into the net is a pretty stupid thing to do, but technically it's not a gross error (Clive Thomas did it once before in a WC match and got away with it).

Gross errors are clear misinterpretations of the laws of the game (which again Clive Thomas famously did once, thinking a deflection off a defender meant an attacker couldn't be offside), timekeeping errors (blowing up before 90 minutes) or not sending a player off for a second yellow. So that last mistake, almost at the death, was really the only one that Poll made that qualified as gross incompetence.

Slan libh,

Daz

"I could count my friends on one hand, but I'd look like I was giving an invisible friend a hand job." - Shelle

b_mardle
(crash course raver)
06/24/06 05:42 AM
Re: Polluting new [re: Dara]  

Was he really that bad? I never saw the game, because i was watching the japan-brazil game at the same time.

But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

Arlequino
(cracked actor)
06/24/06 06:56 AM
Re: Polluting [re: b_mardle]  

Worse.

But probably more galling than his awful decisions was his later excuse that one of the three yellow cards given to Simunic was meant for Simic - a player who had already received both yellows and a red. Also Viduka's penalty appeal in the fourth minute was not so much stonewall as textbook. He looked as fussy, officious and self-promoting as any of the worst refs in this tournament. Including Markus Merk.

later,
Chris...

I could stay if you asked me,
So for God's sake don't ask me to stay



b_mardle
(crash course raver)
06/25/06 04:59 AM
Re: Polluting new [re: Arlequino]  

So mexico is out unfortunetly - i will really miss their fans. But one good thing is that germany is playing argentina next so we can all wish them auf widershen, thanks for hosting the tournament.
Today we will see a totally new england, who will beat ecuador 2-0. Hopefully anyway. If we haven't improved at all from the sweden game, then we are up for a physically challenging game, but we should win them even with a less conviencing game - like we have done so far.

But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

candidate0
(electric tomato)
06/25/06 01:54 PM
Ouch new [re: b_mardle]  

Not quite a new England, different formation but still a struggle to put away a weak team.

However i think now the team is growing in confidence and matches played together (didnt know that this squad had played fewer games together then any other team going into the world cup) i believe that they are good enough and will win the World Cup.

Lets just hope Sven makes the right choices in his team selection and keeps Carrick in to give Lampard and Gerrard the freedom to get forward and support Rooney.

Also from earlier posts which were critical of Paul Robinson i now have changed my opinion and agree that something is certainly wrong with him.
That is not the keeper who performed as a world beater all season for Spurs.
One of his greatest attributes is his ability to command the defence and take control in all dangerous situations but for some reason he seems to be lacking judgement in certain areas.
I did disagree with Mark Lawrences blame he tried to pass onto him with the chance that hit the bar as coming out for a lost cause would have resulted in the ball being lobbed over him into an empty net anyway or failing that Robbo bringing him down and giving away a penalty and getting a red card.
The other weak confidence shattered player on the pitch is John Terry who has gone from 100% mr reliable to what shall i do with it.

However they are both still world class and quality players dont go rubbish overnight.
I fully expect the whole team to be in top gear come the Holland / Portugal game and after that we wont look back.
Argentina no longer frighten me after the Mexico match and nobody else is setting the tournament on fire.

I predict a romp in the quarter final then two solid victories with Rooney on fire back at full match sharpness.

Worst performers today no doubt about it were Becks (minus the free kick and the being sick on the pitch) and main offender Joe Cole who was total shit.
Thats why he always gets substituted and dropped at Chelsea, starts playing for his own performance and forgets about the team and the result.



Arlequino
(cracked actor)
06/25/06 05:12 PM
Re: Ouch new [re: candidate0]  

England were fucking awful.

For the first time this tournament, I watched the match with fellow fans in the pub. And it was one of the most depressing performances I've been privy too. A complete lack of invention, creativity and ideas showed a few things quite clearly.

Firstly, Rooney is not capable of performing the sole forward role. Secondly, even with a defensive midfielder, Gerrard and Lampard cannot perform together; Lampard must face the axe. Carrick is not an internation class performer. Given a start, Hargreaves can put in a performance in either of the full back positions, or in defensive midfield. Beckham belongs in a central role. Lennon ought to be given a shot at the right wing starting position. Replacing Joe Cole with Jamie Carragher does not count as a tactical masterstroke.

Ultimately, I'm just incredibly thankful England faced opposition as poor as Ecuador. Against a world class, or even semi-decent side, the performance today would've lead to a scoreline comparable to Argentina's 6-0 earlier in the tournament.

All that said, though, there's still the potential for a good side in this England squad. And having been given the boon of playing a Portuguese side shorn of the midfield talents of Deco and Costinha, England have every right to feel positive about their quarter-final. They just have to pull their respective fingers out.

later,
Chris...

I could stay if you asked me,
So for God's sake don't ask me to stay




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