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b_mardle
(crash course raver)
07/02/06 04:46 AM
Referee 1 - 0 england new [re: Arlequino]  

What an absolute disgrace. Had the game been played in south america, the ref would had been killed, and that is without a doutb what that argie-cunt deserves! The list of crimes is as long as my... hangover. First of all, the last time i checked, you are NOT allowed to play the ball with your hands, especially inside the area, so unless they haved changed the rules without me knowing it, then we where robbed a clear penalty, but that is typical and i am used to it - refs ALWAYS hate england. And what was the fucking point in pointing a argentinian referee for an england-game, especially when those blue and white wankers had just lost the previous day, so anyone could haved seen that he was determined to send england home.
Then he allowed those fuckers to dive all over the place, handing them dubious free-kicks all-game long. And worst of all, he sent rooney off, who basically did fuck-all in that situation! I wouldnt had even given a free-kick to portugal in that situation, never loan a warning or a red card.
But with 10 men they fought like lions, and its a miracle that the game went as far as the pen-shootout - considering that portugal was playing with 12 players (the ref being the extra player).
I know i am going over-board here accusing the him for our defeat, but i really do feel though, that given a more liable referee, we would had won the game.

But all in all, our perfomance during the tournament was far from conviencing, but then again, i dont think there was a single team who really where conviencing. The athmosphere of the tournament has been amazing, but on the pitch, quite a boring world cup.
Anyway, we played our best game of the tournament yesterday, prehaps our only good game. For me, the world cup finished yesterday.

But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

b_mardle
(crash course raver)
07/02/06 04:51 AM
Re: Referee 1 - 0 england new [re: b_mardle]  

And i hope also that rooney will kick the living hell out of that christiano ronaldo, he is a fucking annoying player, and he looks like a 12-year old nancy-boy who is about to fall in tears.

But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

Strawman
(acolyte)
07/02/06 06:17 AM
And you wonder why we want to kick your teeth in? new [re: EJ]  

Well, Christian, the ever present anglophobic mist before your eyes that hazes clear thinking has finally turned into a real pea-souper - how does Rooney's behaviour when he was practically being mauled by two Portuguese really stand in the idiocy stakes next to that Italian players splitting the Americans face open with his elbow in the group stages? That, being a single example of many worse demeanour's within this competition than Rooney's - why did you fail to point out that earlier, or any other, incident/s?

If anything England's playing staff, to their detriment it seems, have probably been the most honest in this World Cup, so for you to rant on about their attitudes being negative is, on your behalf, idiocy personified.

As to the attitudes of English fans & players wives, what the fuck has that got to do with events on the pitch? Reports I'm hearing from Germany & Beckanbaur say that the fans behaviour has been pretty much exemplary throughout, and your suggesting that fans shouldn't treat the trip as a party is once again sheer fucking idiocy.

Of course I would come across as being a bigger idiot than you if I were to defend England & Eriksson for their dire performances in this competition, but one thing I can say with certainty is the fact that England will surely fare better under McLaren's instruction and will thrive in the European Nations Cup come 2008.

Even if England were to play outstanding football & go on to win the afforementioned tournament, I wonder what anglophobic & biased estimations you would conjure up then?

You idiotic kraut.

COME ON ENGLAND!

Strawman
(acolyte)
07/02/06 06:44 AM
Put on your lederhosen and dance like a cunt new [re: EJ]  

The Germans idea of partying:



COME ON ENGLAND!

EJ
(byroad singer)
07/02/06 06:56 AM
And you wonder why you never win a thing? [re: Strawman]  

I have not said a word about the English fans. So what are you talking about?

I have not spoken about Italy because they were not the subject here.

Of course Rooney's behaviour was total and complete idiocy. Being sent of for such an unecessary and nasty kick is the dumbest thing you can do, and doing that in response to an alledged provocation doesn't make it any better and only goes to show that the player in question is not fit for the level he is supposed to be on. And so is the audience who excuses such an behaviour or downplays it. It's players who do not react like that who lead a team to titles.

Football is not a thing of "let's get out there lads and show them", in a competitive environment like a World Cup you have to have all factors right as good as you can: And that includes all, as said before. Why do you think a coach like Guus Hiddink is able to lead inferior sides to quite some success again and again? Because he brings the Wags along? Not at all. With a bunch of players not nearly half the individual quality of Gerrard, Lampard or the Coles he goes further than anybody would have expected by doing professional work. In all departments, and crucial ones lie outside the field. England have never gone beyond expectations or hardly fulfilled them. And that is not down to bad refereeing or pot luck. Not for 40 consecutive years.

Why do you think the German team has gone further than anybody expected and actually played some decent football though few outside this country would have been able to name more than two of the players before the WC started? It is because Jürgen Klinsmann has created a totally new environment, a total new approach to the way the national team and all the organisation around it is organized. I'll spare you the detail but the key factors are that he took the control over the team away from the pensioners at the German FA, away from the permanent presence of sponsors and tabloid media. He introduced an intense and widespread scouting system utilising modern technology and psycological methods to plug the data to the players. He engaged a group of professional American fitness coaches who have worked alongside the team for two years, introducing newest training methods and ideas which seemd strange at first but apparently pay off well.

Furthermore he made some brave moves when nominating the squad, some I doubted then, and applied factors like fitness, personal attitude and professional behaviour which is quite risky when you are not blessed with a golden generation. With that group he created a team spirit that goes beyond the "we can go all the way" mantra and that explicitly excludes extra-vaganzas by anybody surrounding the team, wags and sponsors included, to have a fully focussed team that has to go beyond its fairly narrow limits in order to reach something. And it has worked. I would never have thought so myself.

Summing it up I am absolutely convinced that having very good individual players (like England or even more so Brazil) will not automatically lead to success anymore. The world of football has become way too competitive for that. It takes more than just knowing how to kick the ball about, far more, and if there are too many flaws in the system no Gerrard or Lampard will be able to put that straight.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


Arlequino
(cracked actor)
07/02/06 07:04 AM
England 0 - 1 Football new [re: b_mardle]  

Holy hell, b_...

The referee wasn't even remotely at fault for the English defeat. We really, really didn't play well enough to go through. The rear guard heroics of ten man England are the sort of passion that the English game has bred itself upon and grown from. Were we to have played with a modicum of that passion when the numbers were even, we may have gone on to win. We didn't, so we deserved to go.

As I mentioned earlier, Rooney's dismissal for the stamp was spot on. Ronaldo exacerbated the situation unecessarily, but both of these are aspects of the respective player's game which everybody was fully aware of. Rooney lets his passion overcome him, Ronaldo has previous in influencing officials. The truly disgusting thing is that, in the build up to the incident, Rooney was left completely without support in the centre circle. With even a single other player within ten yards of him, he'd've been able to release the ball before it came to stamping on those of Ricardo Carvalho.

EJ - Beckham didn't come to the World Cup unfit. Rather, he came on the back of some absolutely sparkling form for Real Madrid. The difficulty is that Eriksson relied upon him so heavily that systems were created to fit the player, rather than the other way around. Real Madrid have players who can win crosses into the box, run onto pinged through-balls and make moves that draw defenders away from their posts. England, with Rooney as a sole forward simply don't. It's not that Beckham let the team down; it's simply that he doesn't fit with the players that England have.

Off the field activities didn't hurt England this time around - which isn't to say they haven't before. It was their refusal to turn up on the field, with Frank Lampard the greatest offender, that led to England's defeat.

Sadly a future under Steve - 2-0 down, so let's play four strikers now - McClaren doesn't seem a whole lot more promising.

later,
Chris...

I could stay if you asked me,
So for God's sake don't ask me to stay



AdamAdministrator
(cricket menace)
07/02/06 07:17 AM
Re: Referee 1 - 0 england new [re: b_mardle]  

Having payed inevitiable attention to the game this year, I will offer you this:

Have you considered following a sport where your emotions are not so governed by a cuntish referee or a mild deflection?

The problem with this archaic version of football is that inforced restrictions seemingly gives more power to the referees than the players.

That is probably why Tom Wills back in 1800s Melbourne, started kicking a ball around and thought, screw this, I'm gonna pick it up and run with it.

Following that, he also realised he could boot the ball a good 60-70 metres in the air before it even landed.

And in another moment of genius when the opposition had the ball he thought: fuck that, I'm gonna knock the fucker over and take possession.

See, football under my definition is about unhindered barbarinism and forward advance not some poncy umpire's rule.

That you Euros never learnt to modify the game like us is your own stupid fault.

Historically you all fought wars by marching in lines like pompous twats.

_________________________________________________________

ADAM VS BOWIE MASH UP PROJECT - | - BOWIE DOWNUNDER



(crash course raver)
07/02/06 11:25 AM
Re: And you wonder why you never win a thing? new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

I have not said a word about the English fans. So what are you talking about?



Yes you did, you remarked that there is always a sence of violence in the air when the english-fans are around.
I have been in germany for the whole duration of the world cup, i have been to every city where england has played at, and i agree with what strawman said, that the fans attitude has been through-out excemplary. Though i have witnessed some smaller fights, but they where started by, suprise suprise, zé germans.

But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

Strawman
(acolyte)
07/02/06 11:38 AM
Biting the hand that fed new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

Historically you all fought wars by marching in lines like pompous twats.


Is that really the way to thank my forefathers for acting on behalf of your shitty & defenceless nations (Poland) cause when the Germans decided to wager war on your forefathers way back in 1939?

Your parents were able to immigrate to the safety of Right-Wing Australia because of English efforts dear boy.

Denote the Union Jack in your inherited nations' flag, Adam, and fucking well salute it.


COME ON ENGLAND!

EJ
(byroad singer)
07/02/06 11:56 AM
Re: And you wonder why you never win a thing? [re: b_mardle]  

In reply to:

Yes you did, you remarked that there is always a sence of violence in the air when the english-fans are around.


I was obvioulsy referring to my most current post when I wrote that and not to the one you are quoting. And if you quote, quote correctly, I included German fans as well. Apart from that your recent posts in which you spit at people who did nothing else but take part in a game where England lost do little to bring about the image of the traditional English sportsman.

And again: Why is there the traditional reflex in England that as soon as their team loses it must have been the referee's fault or an unfair behaviour of the opposition? And why is someone who expresses founded criticism an anglophobe?

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow



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