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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/11/06 09:23 AM
In rememberance of a Nation under fire on 9/11  

Let us never forget, the day, the world changed




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PHOENIX
(funny little bunny)
09/11/06 09:34 AM
Not likely to forget something like that! [re: diamondogz74]  

The "Planes flying into buildings" thread which played itself out as events were happening is probably lost. That's a shame.

Am I suspended in gaffa?

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/11/06 09:44 AM
Re: Not likely to forget something like that! [re: PHOENIX]  

In reply to:

The "Planes flying into buildings" thread which played itself out as events were happening is probably lost. That's a shame.


Indeed! I wasn't a member then, but I do vaguely remember the thread.

I'm hoping to see the new Oliver Stone film soon, 9/11, he was on BBC television last week talking about his new film, it is not at all a tacky sensationalization type of film ( which I feared it might be ) the story of a NYC firefighter and the tragic events that unfolded.


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th0mas
(acolyte)
09/11/06 10:03 AM
Re: In rememberance of a Nation under fire on 9/11 [re: diamondogz74]  

It is strange to see how a nation receiving such a lot of sympathy from around the world after that event could fuck up so badly within five years. I can't see this event without a cynical view on what happened since then. It did not really change the world, it just gave the administration an option for propaganda just like the burning Reichstag did it for the NSDAP. The terrorists did not only succeed in killing 3000 people, they even made the USA give up a great part of their freedom and start two never finished wars, making it a lot easier for the Iran to get forward with their current politics.


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PHOENIX
(funny little bunny)
09/11/06 10:17 AM
Re: In rememberance of a Nation under fire on 9/11 [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

It is strange to see how a nation receiving such a lot of sympathy from around the world after that event could fuck up so badly within five years.


I don't feel sympathy for the United States of America when I think of 9/11, I feel sympathy for the people who died in one of the worst ways you can die, and the families of those who lost loved ones and know they died in this way. And the people of America, New York in particular, who were traumatised by the sudden and sensational disaster which descended on them in such an unexpected way.

A friend told me a few days ago that we shouldn't pay so much attention to this when 1000's die in other countries on an almost daily basis. But it's the shock and horror of a nation of people who live such secure lives that stands out from other forms of war.

Even if I didn't dwell on the dead, I still remember the astonishment I felt when I was told that the towers, the twin towers of the World Trade Centre, had actually collapsed! A disaster that as far as world history is concerned only marks itself on mankind's psyche like events such as the sinking of the Titanic.

America? Maybe an evil empire? Yeah. But even empires are populated by people who are definately not evil.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/11/06 10:30 AM
Re: In rememberance of a Nation under fire on 9/11 [re: PHOENIX]  

In reply to:


I don't feel sympathy for the United States of America when I think of 9/11, I feel sympathy for the people who died in one of the worst ways you can die, and the families of those who lost loved ones and know they died in this way. And the people of America, New York in particular, who were traumatised by the sudden and sensational disaster which descended on them in such an unexpected way.


Well said, my sentiments entirely, all I can add, are my few thoughts...

The September 11th. attack on America is not justifiable using any real or imagined political dispute, religious belief or misguided reasoning. It was a repugnant and cowardly act of terrorism against innocuous civilians.


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Sam_X
(electric tomato)
09/11/06 11:51 AM
Re: Not likely to forget something like that! [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I'm hoping to see the new Oliver Stone film soon


And you better don't miss United 93, if you haven't seen it already. It's THE 9/11 movie.

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KModerator
(thunder ocean)
09/11/06 12:14 PM
You all read this five years ago of course [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

The September 11th. attack on America is not justifiable using any real or imagined political dispute, religious belief or misguided reasoning. It was a repugnant and cowardly act of terrorism against innocuous civilians.


As were the countless attacks on innocent civilians committed directly by U.S. forces or committed by goverments sponsored by them (such as Saddam Hussein's reign), that to some degree were the reason for those "terrorist" attacks.

Like I said five years ago, I'm not saying the attacks were justified, but I'm saying that until the U.S.A. changes their foreign politics and stops meddling with the affairs of other sovereign nations, this kind of thing can - and will - happen again.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/11/06 02:39 PM
Re: Not likely to forget something like that! [re: Sam_X]  

In reply to:

And you better don't miss United 93


Yes, I have already seen it, I wasn't that impressed, felt more like a tv movie than a cinema film, lots of things not correct in the film, the film was made using 2006 technology abound, flat panel computer screens everywhere! and they were not in that much use in 2001, a minor error, but one that stuck in my mind.

The acting wasn't much cop either, script was better, using transcripts of original telephone conversations, not a well made film, I was expecting to feel moved by this, I felt nothing.

Oliver Stones film will be the one to see.


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Mxy
(crash course raver)
09/11/06 02:46 PM
Re: You all read this five years ago of course [re: K]  

Yep. Sept. 11th is also the anniversary of the CIA-sponsored coup d'etat in Chile, which started a 17 year dictatorship that resulted in 20,000 dead (that's 10 WTCs).

The only difference between 9/11 and any other terrorist attack of the same scale (including the ones perpetrated by the US itself) is that this one was fully televised. It's not the same watching the towers be hit and collapse than reading about it in the paper.

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