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Ville
(kook)
11/13/06 07:20 PM
Heavy Metal new  

I went to see Unholy Alliance last sunday. Lamb of God, Children of Bodom, In Flames and Slayer tore me a couple of new ones. ( somehow I managed to miss the first band, Thine eyes bleed ).

My neck is killing me right now.

So how do you fellow TWers feel about metal? There must have been some talk about this in the past, but I'll be damned if I remember any of it.

What's your favorite band?
If I had to choose I would probably pick Judas Priest, although many of their songs make me want to hide my face in embarrassment. But it's an all time favorite nevertheless.

They're currently making a concept album about the life of Nostradamus. Definitely a must buy!

Who's your metal god?
I guess mine would be Rob Halford. His solo work is amazing ( Believe it! Check out the album called Crucible ). Also I think he must be the meanest looking egghead on the planet.

What's the coolest band in the world right now?
SLAYER!
Or maybe Black Label Society. Or Soilwork. No, let's go with Slayer.

Your turn.

I leave you with a guitar solo.



Sam_X
(electric tomato)
11/13/06 07:36 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

In reply to:

So how do you fellow TWers feel about metal?


Don't ask.

Although I admit I give Mastodon's Leviathan a spin from time to time. It's weird, I tend to dwelve in many different genres but when it comes to metal.. well.. um..

I better pass the mike to someone more versed in the metal 'verse. Ta.

~
Heaven is a place where
Nothing ever happens


WildWind
(acolyte)
11/13/06 08:24 PM
I care far too much about this topic new [re: Ville]  

I was raised on 70s and 80s metal and I still adore the genre, though I'm only recently appreciating the contributions of the newer metal artists. There are some good ones, but I'm still learning them. VH1 did a four-part documentary called "Heavy: The Story of Metal" over the summer and it was awesome. My boyfriend and I actually got together largely due to a discovery of a mutual love of 80s metal (though the only concerts we've been to together are DJ Greyboy, Mike Garson, and Particle/Johnny Sketch and the Dirty Notes. Go figure ).

Anyway, if forced to pick a favorite metal band I'd have to go with Black Sabbath. I'd also give a lot of thought to choosing Iron Maiden, though I often want to classify them as a prog rock band rather than a metal band. When I speak of both of these bands, I speak of them in their glory days. Both bands had a problem of trying to continue to go forward after they lost key members.

Metal God? That's a tough one. Prior to "The Osbournes," it would have been a hands-down victory for Ozzy. He's still up there, but the show killed some of his mistique. It is still quite amazing that he's such a rock star onstage and so very - how does one say? - incapable in his day-to-day life. Other people to whom I'd give consideration include Ronnie James Dio, Tony Iommi, and Randy Rhoads.

Come to think of it, I think a "Metal God" needs to be a guitarist. While the front men are important, metal isn't metal without a killer guitarist. Guitar is the backbone of metal.

The coolest band in the world right now? Well, I don't think it's a metal band, to be honest. Although there are some good bands today that could be classified as metal, metal's heyday is a time long past.

Actually, a very good topic of conversation is how one classifies metal. There are some good alternative and indie bands that could be classified as metal, or at least guitar rock, but they're not, because metal is almost a stigma these days. In fact, if you asked me to pick the coolest band right now that I would classify as metal, I'd pick Evanescence. Would you classify them as metal?

WW

P.S. The movie Heavy Metal kicks major league ass as well.

3 months of pregnancy may increase the length of pregnancy, banana. -Spam

schizophrenic
(acolyte)
11/13/06 08:31 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

Generally, I find metal to be fairly ridiculous as a genre. However, if I were to pick a favourite band it would have to be Pantera, simply because they managed to mix a good bottom-heavy groove with sheer ass-kickery. And while I wouldn't qualify them as the coolest band in the world right now, Reign In Blood is enough for me to put Slayer in the pantheon of metal Gods.

I'm a kid
And I love CANDY!!!


KModerator
(thunder ocean)
11/13/06 08:33 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Sam_X]  

In reply to:

It's weird, I tend to dwelve in many different genres but when it comes to metal.. well.. um..


I'm starting to get freaked out because I'm constantly finding myself agreeing with you thse days. Soon I'll find myself saying taxes should be lowered and then I'd have to kill myself.

"By the way Dogz... give Effee a break and go fuck your dead sister."
- Oscar Wilde on protecting animals

AdamAdministrator
(cricket menace)
11/13/06 10:14 PM
well I feel heavy metal new [re: Ville]  

Before I was into Bowie, I was mainly into metal and hard rock. This was around the late 80s. Some faves:

1. Appetite for Destruction ~ Guns'N'Roses

2. Paranoid ~ Black Sabbath

3. Use Your Illusion II ~ Guns'N'Roses

4. The Real Thing ~ Faith No More

5. Black Album ~ Metallica



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Wraith2
(killer in chic)
11/13/06 10:59 PM
Skeletons of Society new [re: Ville]  

In reply to:

I went to see Unholy Alliance last sunday. Lamb of God, Children of Bodom, In Flames and Slayer tore me a couple of new ones.


You lucky bastard. How is In Flames' live set? Their last album was sellout city but they have been known to bring it in the face in years past.

Anyway, I love metal. Love it, love it, love it. I especially love grindcore, doom and sludge but I could probably name a band I like from just about any subcategory. I think the only thing I love more than listening to metal is moshing to metal.

In reply to:

Sam_X: I better pass the mike to someone more versed in the metal 'verse.


Thanks, Sam, I'll take it from here. (p.s., if you like Leviathan, get Remission 'cuz it's 10x better.) I think a lot of people get turned off by what they perceive as hamfisted theatrics in metal. In my mind, this is just erudite social commentary on the social conservatism engendered primarily by Christianity. Christians have constructed a notion of ultimate evil embodied by Satan, a character about whom partically nothing is said in the Bible. Satan is an empty signifier and an ur-form for "evil" (another indefinable concept) who can always be held over our heads and whom it is heresy to investigate. Metal makes Satan visible through a narrative based on speculation and distortion of Christian texts and church policies. This forces believers to confront the reality that, if a exists, so must b. Most are able to see the inherent absurdity in b so they can make the inference that a is therefore equally absurd. Those who cannot understand this are effaced and frightened by the animation of their own fearmongering. A cruel and clever practical joke of bringing their nightmares to life; manipulating them with their own manipulations.

a)


b)


In summation, Punk : Government :: Metal : Religion.

Let me make a point of order before I answer the following three questions: the answer for all of them is Slayer. Any time there is any sort of attempt to rank anything having to do with metal, the answer is always Slayer. No exceptions.

In reply to:

What's your favorite band?



I have to give it up to Machine Head for sentimental reasons. Although they've never been able to scrape the wing�d tootsies of Burn My Eyes, that album has never stopped rocking my face off. In my mind, Robb Flynn sets the standard for metal vocalists in his ability to deliver lyrics with clarity in a way that does not dampen their fury. Sepultura's Max Cavalera is pretty much the only vocalist I can think of who gives Robb a run for the money in this category.

In reply to:

Who's your metal god?


King Buzzo of the Melvins. Oft compared to Black Sabbath's Tony Iommi, Buzz Osbourne has been known to drown crowds with the noise that comes out of his guitar. He plugs in and torrents of squalid, gelatinous sludge issue forth. After that, I might have to say Chuck Schuldiner of Death based on the fact that his soloing could level a small city.

In reply to:

What's the coolest band in the world right now?


Both Celtic Frost (just came back from a 15 year hiatus) and Sunn 0))) are really hot right now, but I'm going to give it to Pig Destroyer because they manage to grind harder than anyone as a three piece with no bassist.

I leave you with a wall of death.

You know who else makes creatures? Satan.

WildWind
(acolyte)
11/13/06 11:07 PM
The. Fuck. new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

I especially love grindcore, doom and sludge


See, I don't even know what this means. I must learn!

Wraith, that post made me kind of hot. If you can figure out a way to avoid the biology and the nurturing, I might have your Satanic babies.

WW

3 months of pregnancy may increase the length of pregnancy, banana. -Spam

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
11/14/06 00:06 AM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

Let me just say that Immortal's Battles in the North was an essential album for 18 year old Wabbit, especially since the copy my friend had was somehow defective and always ended up stalling after a particularly rivetting scream by Abbath.
It's all Spinal Tap for me. I can suspend my disbelief enough to take gangsta rap seriously but genuine black metal always cracks me up big time. It's mostly because of the fans of the said genre I knew in my teens. Pathetic little twats who actually took the genre seriously. Let's just say that these people worshipped some 40 year old unempolyed bum who was supposedly so damn hardcore that he had multiple std's but refused to get any treatment. The same guy also fucked kids. Need I say more?

Unfortunately I had to stop flirting with Satan and attending shows since the crowd quickly picked up how I was into it for shits and giggles only; good fun had suddenly turned surprisingly dangerous...

Culture, alienation, boredom and despair



ladymacbeth
(electric tomato)
11/14/06 04:19 AM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

Do Faith No More and Soundgarden count as metal?

And you can't beat that song 'Roots' but I always get mixed up between Pantera and Sepultura, so I can't remember which one sang it.

I also get bogged down with all the sub-categories: some of them are just blatant bollocks music journalists have come up with. For instance, some dick from the NME would categorise Evanescence as Christian Goth Pop. Or something.

And has anyone come across (not literally) Betty Curse? If so, what do you think of her? She's not really metal. I suppose she's... Oh I don't know but she's cute, kind of like a dark Lily Allen.
http://www.bettycurse.co.uk/
http://www.myspace.com/bettycursemusic

Ai wa, kanari itai.
Love really hurts.

Altoid
(wild eyed peoploid)
11/14/06 09:04 AM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

fav band?....that' a hard one but since you asked.

Korn

fav metal God...that's a easy one.

Rob Zombie

coolest band...well, my personal favorite is...

Nine Inch Nails.

Altoid



guiltpuppy
(stardust savant)
11/14/06 10:24 AM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

So how do you fellow TWers feel about metal? I don't know. I have a feeling if I picked any band TW would say "that's not metal!" and I'd have to cry. But if Wraith's assertion that punk : government :: metal : religion, I'd have to say that I feel it is a significant and valuable thing.

What's your favorite band? Marilyn Manson (who is not metal, except in all the ways that he is) is a cultural and artistic genius. We could probably devote a whole thread to me arguing with everyone else about this, but yes. I believe it.

Who's your metal god? Oderus Urungus. Nobody else has spewed so much come on my face.

What's the coolest band in the world right now? Tori Amos.

TW's Top Fag!

Persilot
(acolyte)
11/14/06 10:35 AM
Prog-folk-rock-metal-classical-flute numpty new [re: Ville]  

Well if you consider that Jethro Tull somehow managed to win a Heavy Metal grammy (beating Metallica in the process), I'm selecting them as my favourite heavy metal band...



Yeah... metal as fuck!

"Don't see what I do not want to see,
you don't hear what I don't say.
Won't be what I don't want to be,
I continue in my way."


Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
11/14/06 10:57 AM
Lock Horns new [re: Ville]  

I was fairly big into metal in middle school/early high school, or at least as into it as my limited budget would allow - Tool, Pantera, Alice in Chains, G'n'R, Metallica - before getting sucked into other things like Bowie.

Apart from a strange 6-month period in 1996 where I only listened to hair metal (including at least 30 viewings of a Skid Row tour video), I've been largely out of metal until taking my current job in April, when I've had to try to reinterest myself in the genre since we sell so damn much of it.

It's a little hard to go with Metallica as my all-time favorites given their transformation into total dicks, but it's also all but impossible for me to pick anything other than "Battery" as the best metal song ever. Well, ok, or "Orion" or "Call of Chtulu."

Then again, Faith no More and Tool before Lateralus are also among my favorite bands of any genre.

Good call by Wraith on King Buzzo, too.

Metal God? Man, I don't know...Dimebag Darrell? Jim Martin? Dave Mustaine? Matt Pike? One of the dudes from Dimmu Borgir? No, it's probably still Sebastian Bach.

The coolest band is Boris, and not just because they're on the hippest label (Southern Lord) or are from Japan or have a hot chick guitarist - they're also facemelting live. And yeah, Mastodon are badass as well.

Now, the real question: which metal band has the best METAL name? I nominate Pig Destroyer, Gorgoroth, Carpathian Forest, Clown Alley, Gorefest, Pungent Stench, and Goatsnake.

Or Dew-Scented.

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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
11/14/06 11:04 AM
Re: Lock Horns new [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

which metal band has the best METAL name?


Impaled Nazarene and Bal-Sagoth.

Culture, alienation, boredom and despair



KModerator
(thunder ocean)
11/14/06 11:13 AM
Re: Prog-folk-rock-metal-classical-flute numpty new [re: Persilot]  

In reply to:

Well if you consider that Jethro Tull somehow managed to win a Heavy Metal grammy (beating Metallica in the process), I'm selecting them as my favourite heavy metal band...


With Crest of a Knave, of all possible albums, which isn't very metal even by Tull's standards (apart from Steel Monkey).

"You don't Nomi."

ladymacbeth
(electric tomato)
11/14/06 12:05 PM
Best Metal Name new [re: RabbitFighter]  

What about Shit the Bed?.

Ai wa, kanari itai.
Love really hurts.

Wraith2
(killer in chic)
11/14/06 12:14 PM
Straighthate new [re: ladymacbeth]  

In reply to:

And you can't beat that song 'Roots' but I always get mixed up between Pantera and Sepultura


Sepultura.

In reply to:

which metal band has the best METAL name?


Southern Lord bands have definitely been raising the bar on this, although some of them come dangerously close to the excess of melodic metalcore naming. Goatsnake is totally sweet. I think my shortlist would look something like this:

1. Napalm Death
2. Eyehategod
3. Book of Black Earth
4. Lair of the Minotaur
5. Cephalic Carnage

Honorable mention: AAAAARGH! Bloody 2-Handed Chainaxe Blow

Metal Archives is a great site for browsing ridiculous band names.

You know who else makes creatures? Satan.

Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
11/14/06 12:27 PM
Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropy new [re: Wraith2]  

In reply to:

Southern Lord bands have definitely been raising the bar on this


Oh yeah, I didn't mention Nachtmystium, which confounds every account that tries to order it. And album name of the year has to go to Urgehal's latest: Goat Craft Torment

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EJ
(byroad singer)
11/14/06 12:38 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

From the "newer" Metal bands only Metallica have impressed me with quite a few songs. I have seen Skid Row live and that was easily the worst gig ever. All those Death, Trash and Black variations don't function with me either.

In the 70s and early 80s Hard Rock and Metal were very close brothers and as that was the time of my musical coinage my fav metal bands list is strongly influenced by those days:

1. Guns 'n' Roses
2. Led Zeppelin
3. AC/DC
4. Deep Purple
5. Motörhead
6. Black Sabbath

Good tracks were also delivered by UFO, The Scorpions (until mid 80s), Dio and Uriah Heep.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
11/14/06 01:05 PM
EJ = Old School new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

From the "newer" Metal bands only Metallica have impressed me with quite a few songs


You realize they've been releasing albums for about 25 years, right?

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EJ
(byroad singer)
11/14/06 02:01 PM
EJ = Old School When it Comes To Metal new [re: Marquis]  

You realize the " " in my line?
Compared with some of the bands I come up with later in the post Metallica are relatively "new". Even more so if you consider the style of metal they do now compared to what they played when they started off. In that sense the current Metallica are rather new.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


looking glass
(acolyte)
11/14/06 02:22 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

wraith's post made me wet, too. i don't claim to be a metal expert, but i've enjoyed just about everything he's thrown my way. as far as a few unmentioned:

ulver: their earlier material is some of the best scandanavian death metal, with hints of shoegaze mixed in. their most recent efforts sound like coil.

vital remains: more black metal, growly and supercharged. with vitrol

lunor aurora: very atmospheric black metal, epic in length and scope. woodsaw guitars, heavily reverbed vocals, evil-as-fuck synths. also for those who dig ambient...

witchfinder general: doom metal at its finest.akin to some of black sabbath's more dirgey numbers.

i also just saw this band called every man, on matador records, as my one cmj outing this year, and they were so viciously loud and powerful for a three piece lacking bass. i also met dave mustaine in the audience of fontana's...

eyehategod has been mentioned by name only, but they're fantastic, aside from having one of the best names in the metal universe. short, yet powerful punches in the face. dixie whiskey is stellar...



hands up, WHO WANTS TO DIE!

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
11/14/06 02:23 PM
I really don't have to say anything new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

The Scorpions (until mid 80s)




Culture, alienation, boredom and despair



EJ
(byroad singer)
11/14/06 02:26 PM
Re: I really don't have to say anything new [re: RabbitFighter]  

The music is better than the cover. Though Scorpions lyrics come close to the quality of their album covers.

As far as I remember that cover was banned in many countries. Strangely enough the music magazines at the time didn't take offense at the cover as far as I remember. Would certainly be different today.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
11/14/06 02:36 PM
Re: I really don't have to say anything new [re: EJ]  

As creepy as it is, I'd still say it's marginally less offensive than the monstrosity that was released in most countries.


Culture, alienation, boredom and despair



Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
11/14/06 02:43 PM
Attachment
Moustache Rides! new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Um, wow...now I understand why this is the main artist picture for Scorpions on allmusic:



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EJ
(byroad singer)
11/14/06 02:43 PM
Re: I really don't have to say anything new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Looks actually pretty harmless for a picture of those days.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


ghostlove
(crash course raver)
11/14/06 03:03 PM
Re: I really don't have to say anything new [re: EJ]  

Iron Maiden kicks some ass. 'For the Hills' is anthematic and chugs with an incredible singer like most NewWave of HeavyMetal songs that cam out at that time. I've always been a fan of AC/DC but I don't know if they are technically metal. Maybe from Back in Black to Flick of the Switch they were.

Of the newer artists, I go with Tool, Sepultura(maybe not newer), Slipnot and System of a Down. I really haven't heard much of Death Metal or whatever comes from Scandanavia but I'm open to hear some.



Tin
(stardust savant)
11/14/06 04:09 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

Rather surprised no one has mentioned Strapping Young Lad yet. They get my vote for one of the darkest metal bands on the planet.

I love a good romp with Sepultura, Pantera and White Zombie here and there. Steve Albini is also in there be it Big Black (metal? nay) or the like.

Hey, has ANYONE watched Deathklock??? This is now my favorite cartoon, ever. That it's a crazed metal band just makes it all the more fun.

It is my opinion and I am unanimous in this, because it is my opinion, which is, in fact, mine.

wannabebowie
(kook)
11/14/06 06:56 PM
Re: I care far too much about this topic new [re: WildWind]  

UFO with Michael Schenker (UFO was considered progressive rock back in the day). Schenker definitely qualifies as your metal god. It was funny when I saw Blue Oyster Cult with UFO as the opening act. UFO blew BOC away! I kinda felt bad for BOC...

Schenker w/UFO influenced everyone from Aerosmith to Def Leppard to Metallica. If you don't have the live album 'Strangers in the Night' then you must immediately add it to your metal collection.

I agree with Randy Rhoads, he is right up there. He, like Schenker, had that perfect combo of feel with speed. Saw him w/Ozzy and was completely satiated...



RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
11/14/06 06:59 PM
Re: I care far too much about this topic new [re: wannabebowie]  

I find it somewhat sad that you consider influencing Def Leppard as some sort of a merit. The faster the drummer loses another hand, the better...

Culture, alienation, boredom and despair



Sam_X
(electric tomato)
11/14/06 07:21 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Sam_X]  

By the way, does Buckethead count as metal? I love that guy. He wears a KFC bucket on his head to concentrate the souls of dead chickens, yet I find him to be less ridiculous than most metal bands :)

~
Heaven is a place where
Nothing ever happens


KModerator
(thunder ocean)
11/14/06 07:38 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Sam_X]  

Buckethead? I wonder if he's related to the finnish phenomenon Ämpäripää (also literally "buckethead").

"You don't Nomi."

Sam_X
(electric tomato)
11/14/06 07:59 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: K]  

Well, they certainly look like relatives!

~
Heaven is a place where
Nothing ever happens


schizophrenic
(acolyte)
11/14/06 11:35 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: ladymacbeth]  

I hesitated to mention Faith No More as I'm not sure they really count as metal. However, since numerous people have mentioned them, I'd definitely have to change my initial vote and say they're my favourites. Sorry, Pantera.

I'm a kid
And I love CANDY!!!


sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
11/15/06 05:40 AM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: schizophrenic]  

I like the more alternative heavy Rock more than Heavy Metal people like The Datsuns, and Audioslave .

though at the moment my tastes tend to be focused on downtempo and chillout

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Ville
(kook)
11/15/06 08:31 AM
Re: I care far too much about this topic new [re: WildWind]  

In reply to:


In fact, if you asked me to pick the coolest band right now that I would classify as metal, I'd pick Evanescence. Would you classify them as metal?


I think Evanescence could pass as metal - some kind of emotional, girlie metal. A lot of things pass as mainstream metal these days. The essence of True Metal can and will be debated until the end of the world.

For my money metal is more or less about fuck-the-world-nihilism, not giving a shit and of course above all groovy gutbusting heavy guitar.

I can't think of a really good definition.

Anyway, rock and metal genres are quite bendy around their edges. Especially on media like MTV and such. I guess it comes down to the individual rocker to yell "Fuck no!" every now and then.

In reply to:


How is In Flames' live set? Their last album was sellout city but they have been known to bring it in the face in years past.


I don't know their catalogue enough to be able to tell if they we're selling it out or not, but they certainly made me do some serious moshing. And since they were loud as hell I might have some serious internal bleeding.



Tin
(stardust savant)
11/15/06 03:07 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Sam_X]  

Buckethead could most certainly be considered metal on, say, "Robots and Monsters." However, if you REALLY wanna trwist your noggin' check out his "Colma," some of the most lovely and laid back guitar stylings you might find.

Buckethead's a genius and he hails from the SF area, which has allowed me more than one opportunity to see his brilliance in the flesh.

It is my opinion and I am unanimous in this, because it is my opinion, which is, in fact, mine.

Sam_X
(electric tomato)
11/15/06 08:18 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Tin]  

Yeah, I've got him quite covered (except for the live shows - envy!). Love his style and music.

~
Heaven is a place where
Nothing ever happens


WildWind
(acolyte)
11/15/06 11:33 PM
I feel so unknowledgeable new [re: Ville]  

In reply to:

For my money metal is more or less about fuck-the-world-nihilism, not giving a shit and of course above all groovy gutbusting heavy guitar.


Hmm. But what about party metal like KISS and Motley Crue?

You're right, of course, that the edges are bendy and the genre is up for much discussion. My sister and I spent a 6-hour road trip discussing what could be classified as metal. Among the artists we discussed as possibilities included Smashing Pumpkins, The Pixies, and Billy Idol.

3 months of pregnancy may increase the length of pregnancy, banana. -Spam

guiltpuppy
(stardust savant)
11/16/06 08:20 AM
He's half alive, he's half dead. [re: Tin]  

God, Buckethead. I had Monsters and Robots back when it came out, but lost or loaned it off not long after. It was kind of a trip when I came up to SF and found people were still talking about him -- I mean, I'd sure as hell forgotten about him, and if I hadn't I would have assumed he was the sort to have faded completely into an obscurity he had never really escaped long before. Instead, I've heard him mentioned about three times. Which is probably more than is warranted.



TW's Top Fag!

fiGgU_
(cracked actor)
11/16/06 09:07 AM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

Slayer is indeed good speed metal, but they were the best metal band in the end of the 80's...though the new album is pretty good, but not close to Reign in Blood.

A black metal band that I like is Marduk, a swedish band from Norrköping and their album Panzer Division Marduk is pretty heavy.

Other metal bands that I like are the classic ones; Metallica, Alice Cooper (as a band and not solo), Black Sabbath, Ozzy, and so on..

Coolest band right now is difficult to say....there's too many of them. :)

"Ah his fingernails, I see they're broken, his ships they're all on fire..."

th0mas
(acolyte)
11/16/06 12:57 PM
Re: I feel so unknowledgeable new [re: WildWind]  

In reply to:

Smashing Pumpkins


No rediculous costumes, a very articulated voice, lyrics, talent - the Smashing Pumpkins can't be classified as metal.


Liest das denn keiner außer mir?

Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
11/16/06 01:37 PM
Have Marduk ever toured with Tiamat? new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

No rediculous costumes


Apparently the videos from the Adore period never made it to Europe.

In reply to:

Buckethead


If you don't want to buy an album, you can always simulate the effect of his music by going "doodleoodleoodleoodleoo" with your tongue for 20 minutes.

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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
11/16/06 01:49 PM
Christrapers of the world unite! new [re: fiGgU_]  

In reply to:

their album Panzer Division Marduk is pretty heavy


Fuck, it's at least five years since I heard that puppy. Black Metal's answet to Metal Machine Music, except that this one isn't groundbreaking. I'd recommend the said album to anyone who's interested in hearing some thirty minutes of sonic excrement.
Then again, you gotta love a band with a song titled Fistfucking God's Planet.
Maybe I just revile the album because a friend of mine was dating a neo nazi who was obsessed with Marduk. I didn't mind his political views that much but putting my friend into intensive care after a little quarrel was a bit too much...

Culture, alienation, boredom and despair



White Prism
(cracked actor)
11/16/06 03:17 PM
Not quite my favourite genre new [re: RabbitFighter]  

So, uh, do Melt Banana count as metal, or are they just noise?

In reply to:

Marquis: The coolest band is Boris


Which is very likely true. I've been dimly aware of their presence for a number of years and I have you to thank for finally pushing me to root out their stuff. (For those of you not in the know: I recently PMed Marquees for his picks of '06, and he replied with a fistful of first-rate, uh, '05 releases, like Boris' Pink. )

It's been several years since I listened to Metallica, Black Sabbath, or G'n'R and they all (particularly G'n'R*, who I remember making a conscious effort with) struck me as momentously dull.

* Note: I'm playing off EJ's list here and assume no responsibility for his slipshod genre classifications, nor my inability to remember anything about Appetite for Destruction.

Sweetness, sweetness, I was only joking when I said I'd like to smash every tooth in your head . . .

Wraith2
(killer in chic)
11/16/06 04:03 PM
Do you hear them calling...FROM BEYOND?! new [re: WildWind]  

WW, I think the Pixies and the Pumpkins borrowed a few tricks from metal but I certainly would not locate them within the genre. It might be worth noting that I think a lot of bands that have been mentioned in this thread (GnR, AC/DC, Evanescence) are not metal, even if they were influenced by it.

In reply to:

Ville: The essence of True Metal can and will be debated until the end of the world.


What is and isn't "true metal" (and that is what they call it) is notoriously divisive topic among metal fans. Part of the problem is that metal has changed so much in it's 40-odd year history. If Black Sabbath was formed today sounding exactly like they did in the early 70s, most folks would hesitate to call their music "metal." To say that something is not "true" is to say that it's not in line with the current stylistic movements of the genre. GnR might have been true metal if they'd released Appetite for Destruction in 1971 instead of within a year of Scum, Reign in Blood, Sign of the Black Mark and Gluey Porch Treatments. By that point, metal was about more than just the monster riffs and stoned solos; it had begun experimenting with speed, technique, atmospherics and brutality in a way that Axl and Slash did not.

I guess what it comes down to is whether you want to consider anything that uses conventions borne of metal a metal band, or only award that title to groups who occupy or have occupied a legitimate place within an aspect of a stylistic movement within metal as it was happening. There are plenty of people who are still stuck on playing jazz as it sounded in the 1940s. Does that make them not jazz musicians? I don't know. But I do know that it makes them suck.

If you hate melodic metalcore like I do, then you might find this amusing.

You know who else makes creatures? Satan.

Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
11/16/06 04:18 PM
You ain't metal without the corpsepaint new [re: White Prism]  

In reply to:

(For those of you not in the know: I recently PMed Marquees for his picks of '06, and he replied with a fistful of first-rate, uh, '05 releases, like Boris' Pink. )


Well first of all, I have to say I find it incredibly amusing that being aware of your thrice-yearly PMs to me qualifies someone as being "in the know."

Also, yeah, Pink is a 2005 album, but as it came out in the US this year through my company, I forget about that little factoid. All I can think about is the pangs of regret for not aquiring it on LP and then selling it on Ebay for $300.

As for what is and isn't metal, I feel pretty much the same way I do about what is and isn't punk, what is and isn't rap, etc., which is that I don't give a flying fuck, I just care about what is and isn't good.

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Tin
(stardust savant)
11/16/06 04:23 PM
Re: He's half alive, he's half dead. new [re: guiltpuppy]  

Regardless of your opinion of the guy, Buckethead has been in the mainstream eye thanks to a certain Axle of Rose and his lameass attempt at a reunion of Buns 'n Noses w/Buckethead and a drummer of Bay Area note as well. I've seen bits and bruises of the mess on VH1. I think this footage of that lineup appeared on yet another mtv awards show a couple years back. (And you should check out Colma anyway.)

It is my opinion and I am unanimous in this, because it is my opinion, which is, in fact, mine.

White Prism
(cracked actor)
11/16/06 05:06 PM
Rough Dogz have bumps new [re: Marquis]  

Yea, I butchered my last post, so I ought to clarify;

1) My mentioning of Melt Banana was, in an otherwise negative post, intended to be in a positive light. It took many listens, but the abrasive and concise Scratch Or Stitch is in Auntie P's rotation, however infrequently, regardless of its genre or style, which I'd never fully considered until an hour ago. (I can now confirm, however, that they are most unequivocally metal. )

2) Marquis' outing of the paltry state of my PM box is indeed a source of shame; indeed, I think he purposely exaggerated my single PM to three, so that I wouldn't feel too embarrassed at having received only two PMs (one of which was a read receipt) for the whole of 2006. My disclosure of this sad fact, along with my original mentioning of having discovered Boris through PMs, was intended to dispel uncertainty over where the conversation originated (which may have confused readers by not having appeared publicly on the boards), and not at all to demonstrate that Marquey had screwed up his dates.

P.S. You look kinda hott in Wraith's lil' film excerpt there.

Auntie P xxx

Sweetness, sweetness, I was only joking when I said I'd like to smash every tooth in your head . . .

Claude
(sound & visions)
11/16/06 06:49 PM
Re: Heavy Metal new [re: Ville]  

This heavy metal is very good for me:

Iggy Pop: Instinct

____________________

Claude

MySpace



th0mas
(acolyte)
11/17/06 07:00 AM
Re: Have Marduk ever toured with Tiamat? new [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

Apparently the videos from the Adore period never made it to Europe.


It did but I always considered them as Smashing Pumpkins kidding around disguised as characters opposed to metal groups who really try to express their character with those stupid outfits while being completly serious about it.


Liest das denn keiner außer mir?

Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
11/17/06 10:54 AM
Through the Fire and the Flames new [re: th0mas]  

Hmm, see I've always had the exact opposite reaction. Billy Corgan - and I say this as someone who still rates Siamese Dream as a near-perfect record - has always struck me as one of the more pompous, self-serious figures in rock music in my lifetime.

I couldn't generalize about *all* metal dudes, but my general feeling has usually been that most of them are fully aware of the ridiculous theatrical nature of the genre. A couple of weeks ago I met Greg Anderson from Sunn O))), who play all their shows in full-length black robes with hoods and all, and he was all smiles and handshakes. That's probably not the best example, but until I get to meet that dude from Deicide with the inverse crucifix branded on his forehead - and Satan willing I will - I'm operating on the assumption that it's all part of the show.

Now, back to the SHRED.

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Wraith2
(killer in chic)
11/17/06 11:30 AM
Exhume to Consume new [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

couldn't generalize about *all* metal dudes, but my general feeling has usually been that most of them are fully aware of the ridiculous theatrical nature of the genre.


For my part, I don't actually care what their intent is. They're still making the same commentary whether or not they're aware of it. Like, that Necrophobic album you sent me opens with a song entitled The Slaughter of Baby Jesus. That's so fucking awesome that I think I have to go to the bathroom.

You know who else makes creatures? Satan.

WildWind
(acolyte)
01/06/07 11:56 PM
What the masses say new [re: Ville]  

I happened to catch the end of VH1 Classic's "20 Greatest Metal Bands" countdown just now, from 9 down, and here's what they say:

9. Dio
8. Motörhead
7. KISS
6. Ozzy
5. Judas Priest
4. Black Sabbath
3. Iron Maiden
2. AC/DC
1. Metallica

I don't object to anyone in the top 9, though I'd shuffle the order. I don't see any reason Black Sabbath shouldn't be #1, as much as I love Metallica. And I'd put Motörhead, Priest, Maiden, and possibly Ozzy all above AC/DC (that's taking nothing away from the Young brothers, whom I adore, I just find more innovation and power from the three I've promoted).

My reshuffling is:

9. Dio
8. KISS
7. AC/DC
6. Motörhead
5. Ozzy
4. Iron Maiden
3. Judas Priest
2. Metallica
1. Black Sabbath

I'm interested in thoughts, particularly from those of you who know more about New Metal (or is it NuMetal?) as to whether there are newer artists you'd rate above the giants that are here.

Sometimes I feel the need to move on. So I pack a bag and move on.

WildWind
(acolyte)
01/07/07 00:04 AM
Re: What the masses say new [re: WildWind]  

FYI, here's the full top 20 (which I just got on recap):

20. W.A.S.P.
19. Quiet Riot
18. Queensryche
17. Twisted Sister
16. Ratt
15. Slayer
14. Skid Row
13. Def Leppard
12. Poison
11. Motley Crue
10. Megadeth

Top 9 above.

I'd kick Poison the hell out of there, and also Def Leppard, even though I love them, 'cause they're not proper metal. Shit, the first chance they had they recorded a David Bowie tribute album! How metal can they be?

I'd bump Queensryche up quite a bit, probably to 10. Actually, no. I'd put Alice Cooper in at 10, actually at 5 and bump everyone else down a notch (where the hell IS Alice in this countdown?), and...and...

My head hurts. This is too hard. I'm going to bed.

Sometimes I feel the need to move on. So I pack a bag and move on.

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
01/07/07 04:17 AM
Re: What the masses say new [re: WildWind]  

Just saying, it's a crime that Slayer isn't in top 5. Excluding GG Allin's contributions to popular music, Reign In Blood is just about the most "dangerous" sounding thing ever recorded. Well, at least that's what I thought before I had heard Ice Cube's Predator...

I don't get along with myself
And I'm not too keen on anyone else



ghostlove
(cracked actor)
01/07/07 04:22 AM
Re: What the masses say new [re: WildWind]  

I wouldn't put AC/DC on the list just because I think they are more hard rock than metal. They are one of my favorite bands but them and Kiss aren't metalish (except Brian Johnson's vocals are banshee-like on a couple of albums).




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