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Strawman
(chameleon, comedian, corinthian and caricature)
03/19/07 12:09 PM
Re: Global Warming new [re: Quentin]  

Oh dear, you have got it bad. No doubt you'll soon have the pointless wind turbines whizzing on your roof and solar panels which cost far more than they could ever save.

Oil is a diminishing resource, so it should be preserved where possible, but not at cost to civilisation and human progress.

There is far too much emphasis on the myth that human activity has caused Global Warming - no-one is denying that it's happening, but it's a natural cycle going back millenia. Back in the Stone-Age this country had a much warmer climate, but by the arrival of the Bronze-Age it had cooled considerably and exposed human settlements were abandoned. Various stages followed where the Romans had grape vines as far north as Yorkshire and the medieval period was even warmer - followed by the mini ice-age of the 15th to 18th-ish century where the Thames regularly froze over. I could go on but I won't.....

It's pure populist knee jerk based on a principle that seeks to prevent global development (Africa/Asia/South America) in favour of the developed West. Lots of jobs depend on the environmental gravy train now, so it ain't gonna listen to proper science any time soon which strongly contradicts the myth. Strange how China and India are being strongly criticised for industrial development at this time eh? While the oceans alone naturally produce trillions of litres of carbondioxide naturally, not to mention other life on Earth besides humans.

I understand fully what is happening, but as with most things, I have a mind and eyes of my own and never follow the trend for the sake of it. The world is quite safe and while certain parts may well become uninhabitable in the short term the cycle will revolve as it always has in the past. Al Gore has based his commercial "movie" on popular environmental fiction using models badly flawed for sensationalist purposes and it has worked.


Right! I'm just off to pick up some coal in my Hummer to burn off my old sewage solids.



Quentin
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/19/07 12:13 PM
Re: Global Warming new [re: Strawman]  

I'm assuming all of the above is based on years of scientific research... and not just a recent Channel 4 documentary...??

You claim to understand what is happening, but if you'd done some real research into the issue you'd know that whilst carbon does indeed accumulate naturally, and that the world has gone through natural periods of warming and cooling, these have all taken place over a period of tens of thousands of years... the rise in temperature and carbon levels in the atmosphere are higher now than they have ever been and this rise has taken place over.... 50 years.

Look it up if you don't believe me, and I'd suggest conducting some real research rather than a quick Google search... but I'm guessing you won't be doing that... "stuck in your ways" comes to mind...

You "understand" nought in this instance I'm afraid, strawman... anyone would think you're the kind of person who'd argue against facts...

You joined up to die - and we'll send you where you can. - Foreign Legion Maxim

Strawman
(chameleon, comedian, corinthian and caricature)
03/19/07 12:19 PM
Re: Global Warming new [re: Quentin]  

Outside of the microcosm of educational establishments you will find that life experience is the best university of all. A place where you can form your own opinion of events rather than those preached at you by lecturers with an agenda of their own - and an eye to league tables of pass rates. School taught me very little - mistakes however taught me everything I know. Maybe you will come to agree with me one day.

Very patronising aside regarding the television documentary mentioned and as I was elsewhere at the time, but no, it has not influenced my thinking one jot. Environmental issues are the latest craze and a gravy train for universities and companies to jump on. The world is perfectly safe without smart arses peddling more and more gloom about the future to protect their own interests - and as for Googling, I'll leave that to those who need to rely on another person's opinion rather than their own.

Once again, Carbon neutral my hairy arse - it's all just another con to fool the masses, and fool it, it has!


Twat.



rumblingspires
(grinning soul)
03/19/07 12:30 PM
Re: Global Warming new [re: Strawman]  

Patronising nonsense as usual Strawman. You only needed to mention the 'School of hard knocks' and the 'University of life' in order to make it that little bit more condescending.

May I ask how you've formed your opinions on this subject as you're so opposed to 'Googling' and relying on other people's opinions. Were you born with a fully formed opinion on the fluctuation of the Earth's temperature and it's causes? Or is it just something you heard down the pub from the local bore who sits there all day complaining about how 'This country's going to the dogs'?

The fact is that neither you, me or Quentin are completely sure about how the effects of global warming will affect us in the future or what we can do to stop it. However, I'm more likely to beleive the theories of scientists or people who are studying the issue rather than somebody who is relying purely on 'life experiences'.



rumblingspires
(grinning soul)
03/19/07 12:50 PM
Re: Global Warming new [re: Strawman]  

Strawman - mistakes have taught you every thing you know have they? That would explain why you are very good at making them.

I don't know what you think goes on at university exactly, but all the students I know form their own opinions of events, and I have not had any political point preached at me by any lecturer in 5 years. In that time people from outside of universities (businessmen and politicians) have preached biased political viewpoints at me however.

On the CFCs, they act on ozone (O3) as free radicals which catalyse the decomposition of ozone into oxygen. Crucially they are not used up in this process, but they do decompose after about 25 years. (Its in Chemistry A-Level)

CO2 levels do warm the planet, compare with Venus and Mars which are hotter and colder respectively that should be expected from their distance to the sun, Ice cores from the antarctic also provide historical evindence for global temperatures and CO2 levels.

There is some evidence against global warming, and there is some dissent among the scientific comunity. Those directly funded by Exxon-Mobile claim it doesn't exist and use the same arguements as you do. Both sides exagerate their claims and there is no Left-wing media bias, especially not when most of it is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Another thing: if life experience were the best university then graduates (especially in sciences/engineering/law/medicine/languages) wouldn't get the best salaries, and 50 year olds wouldn't find it really hard to get a job if made redundent.



Strawman
(chameleon, comedian, corinthian and caricature)
03/19/07 12:57 PM
Re: Global Warming new [re: rumblingspires]  

I've also learned not to take things too much to heart. More of the same blather put about by the environmental do-gooders out to control the thinking of the common man I'm afraid. There is always room for a variety of theories on serious issues such as this - that way individuals can form their own opinions based on the conflicting evidence available, often contrary to the diatribe spouted out by well meaning (and overpaid) university lecturers who feel they must dictate society's thoughts.

Good for you for standing up for your education though, but for me it is just a series of text book exercises based on an individual's theorising. In my view a university degree literally means nothing other than a channelled vision implanted by the educational curriculum of the day. Give me someone with good ol' fashioned common sense any day, because a whole lifetime of study can't give you that - it's a gift that no number of bits of paper can create.

Finally, isn't CO2 a bi-product of warming & not the cause? The warmer the seas the more emissions there are of CO2 right? What warms the seas, surely it's the sun? What reduces warming? Clouds and the water particles therein bound together by pollutants such as carbon. Why when the industrial revolution was in full swing and filthy chimneys around the world spewed smoke skywards didn't human assisted global warming peak then? Maybe because it's not factual and simply a gravy train for for the activists to jump on.

Shall we discuss Trident next? Wanker.



rumblingspires
(grinning soul)
03/19/07 03:13 PM
Re: Global Warming new [re: Strawman]  

I agree with you to some extent. I agree with your opinion of degrees in the social "sciences", those I would take a person with common sense as an employee first.

However, I find "hard" science subjects are totally different to this. Would you want your GP to have common sense or a degree in medicine?

From my own subject, mathematics, it gives me several advantages over common sense:
A training in logical thought, I can better apreciate what is actually said in a passage and what is mearly implied than I could before I started.
A better understanding of probability that is generally gained by experience.
some examples:

A fair coin comes up: HHHHH HHHHH
A fair coin comes up: HTHTT HTTTH
Which is more likely?
What will most likely come up next in each sequence?

My degree also helps with other skills, not least that I have been proved able to learn 4 years worth of mathematics and understand it.

The other thing you said was about lecturers being overpaid, They are paid (eventually) a good wage, but nothing to what they could earn in the comercial sector, often for doing the same sort of work. The starting salery for comparison is 12,000 p/a for 3yrs for a PhD (which takes 4-4.5 years normally) or 28,000 p/a doing actuarial work with 1,500 pay rise per professional exam passed, or even more in city trading.

Edited by rumblingspires on 03/19/07 03:18 PM (server time).



Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
03/19/07 06:04 PM
Pick me teacher, I'm ever so smart! new [re: rumblingspires]  

In reply to:

A fair coin comes up: HHHHH HHHHH
A fair coin comes up: HTHTT HTTTH
Which is more likely?


Equally likely!

In reply to:

What will most likely come up next in each sequence?


On the 11th flip, a fair coin should land on it's side, pause, and then dissipate into a cloud of electrons.

They let the retard in the game and he went wild.

Claude
(sound & visions)
03/19/07 06:45 PM
Re: Pick me teacher, I'm ever so smart! new [re: Marquis]  

The Great Global Warming Swindle

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Claude

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Strawman
(chameleon, comedian, corinthian and caricature)
03/20/07 09:13 AM
Re: Pick me teacher, I'm ever so smart! new [re: Claude]  

Oh great! A link to the Channel 4 documentary....

How about your own interpretation of events, you daft, Italian twot?




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