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Starlite
(acolyte)
04/04/07 01:33 PM
Re: Experimentation new [re: riley]  

No, they aren't bi. They've said before that they really wanted to be gay, and tried very very hard, but in the end they had to accept it wasn't going to happen.

I suppose one could consider Bowie bi, but that would be stretching it by my definition... I mean, okay, he was not-straight enough to allow him to engage in some experimentation and maybe carry through a tryst or two. But that also depends on how you'd define "tryst"...

...ack, I almost went and typed out my specific opinions on how far he's gone with whom/when, but this board so does not need that.

I shall keep my specific opinions both on Bowie's sexual experience and Mika's actual sexuality to myself.



riley
(crash course raver)
04/04/07 01:50 PM
Re: Experimentation [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

No, they aren't bi. They've said before that they really wanted to be gay, and tried very very hard, but in the end they had to accept it wasn't going to happen.


they would've had to of gotten a hardon at some point..unless they were the.. 'recipient'.

In reply to:

I suppose one could consider Bowie bi, but that would be stretching it by my definition... I mean, okay, he was not-straight enough to allow him to engage in some experimentation and maybe carry through a tryst or two. But that also depends on how you'd define "tryst"...

...ack, I almost went and typed out my specific opinions on how far he's gone with whom/when, but this board so does not need that.


On the contrary.. you have introduced some valuable points but without something to back them up I just can't take them seriously. Is this an important discussion or not?!

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I shall keep my specific opinions both on Bowie's sexual experience and Mika's actual sexuality to myself.


Mika is far too pretty to be straight.. and yeah i know he's not freddie but freddie [on that he does have his own talent..] didn't come out straight away either. use those night time fantasies while you can.

jareth's tights
(mortal with potential)
04/04/07 01:59 PM
how titillating. new [re: Starlite]  

>this most closely-guarded secret of his

fair enough. his (starlite-assigned) gayness was of the dejected "i'm never going to meet him/make out with him plus he's much too old" sort, rather than genuine gayness. ;)

but yeah, judging from that earlier link, it sounds like his career (or the hype) will die as soon as he comes out/stays inů or not "stays in", but comes out as a straight person, if that's possible. perhaps that fatal interview where mika's oh-so-controversial-sexuality is revealed will add that much needed interview-variation you call for. and then we can go "oh wow!@" and start another thread.

but seriously now, will anyone who's posted so far own up to liking his music? ;)


a man would tear his brother's flesh, a chance to die
to turn to mold.


jareth's tights
(mortal with potential)
04/04/07 02:06 PM
Re: Experimentation new [re: riley]  

>On the contrary.. you have introduced some valuable points but without something to back them up I just can't take them seriously.

it depends how you define bi doesn't it? i'm loathe to bestowe the lable on anyone who doesn't "keep it up" so to speak. surely it would have to add up to more than literally one or two casual encounters. contrary to contemporary macho thinking, it's possible to engage in same sex activity as a straight person without puking up your guts.

though this is the point where marian webster usually makes an unsolicitied entrance.

a man would tear his brother's flesh, a chance to die
to turn to mold.


Starlite
(acolyte)
04/04/07 02:20 PM
Re: Experimentation new [re: riley]  

In reply to:

they would've had to of gotten a hardon at some point..unless they were the.. 'recipient'.


Aw, geez. Well, first off, they may never have got that far--thus the gayness not working out for them. Second off, it is entirely possible to get a hard on with enough diligence even if you're not really into whoever you're with. Some parts of the male anatomy do function fairly mechanically, and a hand is a hand is a mouth is a mouth.

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Mika is far too pretty to be straight...


I am not saying he is straight, either. But there are other categories besides straight and gay, and even straight and bi and gay. These days all the gay men I know occasionally have sex with women and enjoy it, and all the lesbians are having sex with transfolk or gay men, and all the bisexuals have eschewed labels altogether and prefer to be multiqueer, and even the straight men are getting in on the game and make out with other men at bars or parties (and these are not the closeted types).




riley
(crash course raver)
04/04/07 02:23 PM
Re: Experimentation new [re: jareth's tights]  

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it depends how you define bi doesn't it? i'm loathe to bestowe the lable on anyone who doesn't "keep it up" so to speak.


thought erections were biological reaction to being sexually aroused?

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surely it would have to add up to more than literally one or two casual encounters. contrary to contemporary macho thinking, it's possible to engage in same sex activity as a straight person without puking up your guts.


sorry but you have to be a little bit bi or they'd be no point to it.. unless they want to be exploited but thats a seperate issue. there'd be no physical/emotional reward.
[love the 'puking you guts up'/homophobe inference btw..]

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though this is the point where marian webster usually makes an unsolicitied entrance.


you've still got time for a wikipedia edit.

Starlite
(acolyte)
04/04/07 02:28 PM
Re: how titillating. new [re: jareth's tights]  

Hurrah, you get me! And I'm grateful for your comments on the non black-and-whiteness of same-sex encounters above.

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his (starlite-assigned) gayness was of the dejected "i'm never going to meet him/make out with him plus he's much too old" sort, rather than genuine gayness. ;)


Well, I'm not ruling out its being genuine, but yeah, it was of the variety you mention.

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it sounds like his career (or the hype) will die as soon as he comes out/stays inů or not "stays in", but comes out as a straight person, if that's possible.


Actually, while a lot of the hype has to do with his sexuality, a good chunk of it has to do with his cheeky unabashed poppy campness, which makes me glad. I don't think he'll ever have to come out as straight though.

And after listening to it on repeat for the last two days straight, I will admit that I like his music. But I may have been temporarily brainwashed. That "Do I attract you? / Do I repulse you / with my queasy smile? Am I too dirty / Am I too flirty/ Do I like what you like?" part of Grace Kelly is definitely enough to make me rather disregard my brain.

ETA:

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sorry but you have to be a little bit bi or they'd be no point to it..


The "point" would be the curiousity of experimenting, and the infatuation/interest with the perceived glamour/artiness/exoticness/nonsexual affinity with/of gay culture and wanting to be a part of that. ;-)

riley
(crash course raver)
04/04/07 02:44 PM
Re: Experimentation new [re: Starlite]  

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Aw, geez. Well, first off, they may never have got that far--thus the gayness not working out for them.


but to claim you're gay you've gotta at least have some sort of confirmation. like.. say.. having gay sex. that'd do it. most gay people already 'know' from an early age. if someone's not sure they're probably bi imo.

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Second off, it is entirely possible to get a hard on with enough diligence even if you're not really into whoever you're with.


pornos yes.. real life. why bother? doubt someone would find their new partner having a pull over girly mags prior to very romantic.

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Some parts of the male anatomy do function fairly mechanically, and a hand is a hand is a mouth is a mouth.


if you have to force yourself to do it despite not really wanting to it could be either self depreciating or alot of work.. doesn't sound seductive.

and why does this subject keep poping up? alot of bowie fans seem to cling to the idea but 'he was never really gay though'. whats it matter?



riley
(crash course raver)
04/04/07 02:53 PM
Re: how titillating. new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

The "point" would be the curiousity of experimenting, and the infatuation/interest with the perceived glamour/artiness/exoticness/nonsexual affinity with/of gay culture and wanting to be a part of that. ;-)


beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. experimentation is not 'coming out'. i believe most people are a little bit bi which is why so many people experiment with that facet of themselves. i don't think it's healthy for people to experiment with things that they are uncomfortable with.

can we now reach agree that bowie exprimented with his bi side and then chose the straight? it's like a fucking never ending footy game. it's a draw.



Starlite
(acolyte)
04/04/07 02:56 PM
Re: Experimentation new [re: riley]  

Dude, you're the one bringing it up and dragging it out. I assure you my thinking he was "never really gay" has nothing to do with any sort of homophobia or unwillingness to accept others' sexuality. In fact, I have been trying to convince plenty of my male friends that they are gay despite their total non-cooperation.

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but to claim you're gay you've gotta at least have some sort of confirmation.


Are we still talking about Flea and Anthony here? They said they really wanted to be gay, and tried their hardest, but found they weren't made for it--they never claimed to be gay.

As for Bowie, well gee, he said that he was "gay and always has been" while married and expecting a child, so that tells you how much he cared for strict accuracy of terms at the time. (By your own definition, that would make him at most bisexual.)

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if you have to force yourself to do it despite not really wanting to it could be either self depreciating or alot of work.. doesn't sound seductive


Well, that's why most people give up on it then. But really, you can't imagine someone being so seduced by the idea of a particular type of romance that they throw themselves into it hoping it will work, somehow?


But yes, yes, Bowie experimented with his "bi side" and then chose the straight. Because his bi side was like, nearly non-existent when it came to the nitty gritty.

Anyway, let's go back to talking about the prettiness of Mika now!

Pretty pretty.





Silly pants, yay!

Edited by Starlite on 04/04/07 03:13 PM (server time).




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