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Remade/Remodeled
(acolyte)
10/13/07 00:20 AM
The beat goes round and round new [re: guiltpuppy]  

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I'm sure that name-drop must have sounded really hip and savvy to anyone who did


God, you don't know the half of it... I actually padded that post with the crap about Radiohead just so I could make the Pitchfork reference and the comment about Stu at the end (which I'd been saving up for months but couldn't really find an appropriate time to use, especially because I had him bozoed). I figure Friends had a 10 year run of making 20 minute TV shows around just two half-decent jokes so it's not like I'm doing anything sancrosanct.

Anyway, Pitchfork is a music criticism site that takes itself much too seriously and takes arbitrary stands against things just to be contrary (cf. the 0.0 review for NYC Ghosts and Flowers). To read a far better send up of the site than I can muster, go here.

While I can see how some people might see Radiohead's public image in the way you do, I think you're taking a very simplistic viewpoint on things (making electronic music doesn't make you famous 99.9% of the time) and your description of their music makes me strongly recommend listening to them, even if only because they're totally more Telefon Tel Aviv than Aphex.


On a different note yet conveniently tying together the strands of this post, according to PitchforkMedia In Rainbows achieved 1.2 million downloads on the first day... I hope Radiohead can think of an appropriate way to share the £5 in donations they recieved!

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guiltpuppy
(stardust savant)
10/13/07 00:46 AM
Re: The beat goes round and round new [re: Remade/Remodeled]  

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(making electronic music doesn't make you famous 99.9% of the time)



Actually, that's kind of my point. Tons of people had done electronic music, and tons of people had fused it with rock and roll, and it had happened in the mainstream, too (Low, for instance). But for some reason, when Radiohead does it, people talk about it for ten years. It's sort of like how a fuckton of celebrities campaign for causes, but for some reason Bono stands out in everyone's memory as like THE activist guy, even though I'd be hard-pressed to remember one specific issue he's given his support (aside from iPods)

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dice
(every nation's refugee)
10/13/07 01:10 PM
Re: Little Ideas new [re: guiltpuppy]  

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It's all marketing. They just keep attaching their names to current trends (U2: global activism, ipods; Radiohead: electronic music, internet distribution) in order to get mentioned in news stories


i don't believe that one bit

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Tons of people had done electronic music, and tons of people had fused it with rock and roll, and it had happened in the mainstream, too (Low, for instance). But for some reason, when Radiohead does it, people talk about it for ten years


radiohead does it better



Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
10/13/07 05:16 PM
I think you're crazy, maybe new [re: theidiot2]  

Ah, I should say that I think Yorke’s a terrific singer (well, ‘Electioneering’ impresses me, because its delivery is quite different to many of their recent songs), and yes, his voice suits the Radiohead-texture quite well, especially on Kid A. But the abstract, whining, existential lyrics have become rather repetitive since, I find. I get the impression if you were to jumble the lyrics about and assign them each to a new song there would be no change of effect whatsoever.

To be honest, Radiohead is probably the band I’m most ambivalent about. I loved them up to and including Kid A, but I suspect I’ve already heard In Rainbows without actually hearing it—I can pretty much guess it will be a retread of what they’ve already done. I don’t care about them enough to find out these days. (Yes, I'm competing against Puppy for the Weirdest Reasons for Not listening to Radiohead Award.)

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theidiot2
(kook)
10/14/07 09:02 AM
Re: I think you're crazy, maybe new [re: Auntie Prism]  

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I get the impression if you were to jumble the lyrics about and assign them each to a new song there would be no change of effect whatsoever.


I'd have no arguments there, but it's only really on a handful of songs that he ever wrote a complete lyric. Certainly in this century I've only enjoyed his words on the basis of individual lines, but then again that seems to be the point; misinformation and overload in the age of internet.

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I loved them up to and including Kid A, but I suspect I’ve already heard In Rainbows without actually hearing it.


Well Pablo Honey is a terrible album, but I'll assume you didn't mean that one. In Rainbows has helped me gain some perspective about Radiohead, who were my favourite band back in the day. Amnesiac sounds better, Pyramid Song and so on, and I can now pinpoint the parts of HTTT that I actually enjoy (There There, Sit Down Stand Up, Wolf At The Door). What I'm definitely not into are the thrashy structureless rhythms of Bodysnatchers or 2+2=5 and the dread jangle of Go To Sleep or Knives Out. In short, groups with guitars are on the way out.



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Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
10/15/07 01:12 PM
Can I Live? new [re: guiltpuppy]  

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Marquis, the fact that your version of the criticism somehow implies that the "real" cool is determined by what music you do listen to is funny and a little sad.


Well, firstly, that little dig was aimed more at Alexis, and anyway, you shouldn't read much into it. I don't particularly care what people like and don't like, I just find it a funny and a little sad when people decide to take a principled stand against a fucking pop band.

I say this as someone who has been entirely guilty of this in the past, and likely will be again. Case in point: I don't particularly care for Animal Collective. A whole lot of people think they're just genius, but to me it sounds like a bunch of white kids from Williamsburg trying to sound tribal. My gut reaction, of course, is to say that people who like AC really just want to like them, that they are swayed by the way the band has been marketed to seem different and cool. God knows I tire of people analyzing the "impact" of their every publicity gimmick!

There are a couple of problems with this approach. First, it is entirely egotistic to assume that the way you react to music is the way everyone else will or should, and more than that, to imply that the only reason someone would disagree with your reactions is that they have been duped by hype and marketing.

Second, once you decide to take a stance against a popular artist/album/genre, you start having to defend it so often and so ardently that its easy to just go on assuming you don't like something which you could end up really enjoying. Again, I'm speaking from the experience of having spent a lot of time hating on AC and Wilco, only to eventually discover that Person Pitch and Sky Blue Sky were pretty damned enjoyable.

None of which means that you ought to like In Rainbows; I hope that I can safely say that Radiohead is not for everyone without implying that the band is somehow above criticism. They are indeed pretentious, dour, and self-serious, but for my money, they've been the best band in the world for the last 10 years, not because of their clever packaging but because they write gorgeous pop music.

And also, they've stolen more liberally from Autechre and Apparat than Aphex.

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theidiot2
(kook)
10/15/07 03:04 PM
Should I stay or should I go? new [re: Marquis]  

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Case in point: I don't particularly care for Animal Collective. A whole lot of people think they're just genius, but to me it sounds like a bunch of white kids from Williamsburg trying to sound tribal.


I'm going to see these guys in Dublin in a few weeks, despite never having heard of them. A friend's recommendation and vague awareness of their "kooky" image were enough, but if Marquis doesn't like them...



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Adam
(cricket menace)
10/21/07 08:21 AM
Re: Radiohead set to destroy the music industry new [re: Marquis]  

Apparently the illegal downloading of Radiohead's album is outstripping the legal downloading. The assumption is that people find it easier to use their regular torrent/p2p application.

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Sam_X
(crash course raver)
10/21/07 04:11 PM
Re: Radiohead set to destroy the music industry new [re: Adam]  

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The assumption is that people find it easier to use their regular torrent/p2p application.


Or nobody told them you can enter 0.00 when 'purchasing' In Rainbows.

Lovely album, anyway. I'm far from being a Radiohead fan (OK Computer is boooooring) but this is good stuff, especially Bodysnatchers, All I Need and House Of Cards.

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Nothing ever happens


Claude
(sound & visions)
11/03/07 03:23 PM
Re: Radiohead set to destroy the music industry new [re: Marquis]  



I've just downloaded "In Rainbows" for only £ 1,45!!!!!!!!!
It's a real music revolution!!!
The album is fantastic!!!!


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