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Ruskie
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 07:25 PM
The Archives  

I'm sure we've all read the PLEASE READ! posting at the top of our screen by now; if you haven't, please do so now.

On the subject of private messages. I'm a bit upset private messages dated before 2002 were deleted ("archived" if you will) immediatly from the server, i would've liked to have had a few days notice by our webmaster, as there were some messages i would've liked to have saved myself had I known they would be lost. However, since TW is a thriving community, obviouslly our collection of PMs will build up again. I propose Mr. Torrie sets in place a 30 day expiration period on all privite messages. Deleting them, (archiving them),after 30 days of their read date. So that people know when they will disappear, as well as keeping the number of messages to be stored on the server to a minimum. As for threads, I think a similar policy should be put in place. Giving threads a one time to live count from the last post.

With each day the pile will grow higher, and I think regular "cleanings" should be made standard in the future for the well-being of the community board.


**One more thought came me, although a bit more "far fetched".

Even though old threads disappear, there will no doubt be a desire among the populous to reference those old threads. So perhaps, we should have a few select TW Librarians who have access to the archives, and can cite old posts, and research the archived threads when it is needed. The manor in which they recieve this compolation of data can be discussed. I'm sure it is far too much to simply download off a server, perhaps if the webmaster were so willing, he could record the information on CDs and mail them to the scribes. Naturally, some names come to mind first as having reputations as referancers in the past, Wild Wind and Adam being two logical mentions. Of course, the reality of this happening would depend on popular interest for such a reference among the community, and the willingness of those to act as the record keepers.

Anyway, i've gone off on a tanget. Any other thoughts, comments, humorous pictures?

Oh dear, it looks as if I've turned evil again

Tati_wl
(stardust savant)
03/12/02 10:24 PM
archives? will be a legend new [re: Ruskie]  

I´m upset to lose old PMs too; I was willing to save some of them in my computer tonight... now I regret I didn´t do this months ago, like suggested a few times in the past.

I find the idea of the TW Librarians a bit difficult to be put in practice (can I be just sincere? I think Evan just doesn´t have any time or any interest in dealing with this, he probably only came here because he was pressured by the server owner to delete the files here on the conv. piece and lost precious few spare time).

Besides, I find a little boring to have a few chosen people telling "this was discussed before, here", when we can´t have the chance to search by ourselves.

Something tells me that we might never access those archives... but who knows, one day everything be back to normal? For now, we shouldn´t complain when at least we can still using this space... and maybe now it´s faster :)

Tati


AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 11:14 PM
Re: The Archives new [re: Ruskie]  

In reply to:

However, since TW is a thriving community, obviouslly our collection of PMs will build up again. I propose Mr. Torrie sets in place a 30 day expiration period on all privite messages. Deleting them, (archiving them),after 30 days of their read date. So that people know when they will disappear, as well as keeping the number of messages to be stored on the server to a minimum. As for threads, I think a similar policy should be put in place. Giving threads a one time to live count from the last post.


The expiry of threads is a native feature of the software. This feature has been switched off. But as for archiving, I can only guess how that may work. It sounds like Evan will use another server for the archives, allowing the message board server to be more free. But how the link is established, I'm not sure. Perhaps it will be something like the guestbook archive.

I would love to have a copy of the board on CD and would be happy being a TW Librarian.

The Music is Outside

AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 11:27 PM
Re: archives? will be a legend new [re: Tati_wl]  

In reply to:

I´m upset to lose old PMs too; I was willing to save some of them in my computer tonight... now I regret I didn´t do this months ago, like suggested a few times in the past.


I tried this about two weeks ago, because I was fearing the same thing. I downloaded a program called Surfsaver but I had no luck saving my PMs. I also want to archive some of the messages in Interpretation and elsewhere.

Here is the link to Surf Saver. If anyone else has luck with this software or any other web page saver, please let me know.

The Music is Outside

Ruskie
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 11:44 PM
Marketing Oppourtunities new [re: Adam]  

Just another side thought. Evan, in a way to raise more money to support the site, and pay for more bandwidth for the message boards, could sell CDs with TW's "archives" on them, for say $5 a peice. I think there'd be a quite a few here who would be interested in having such an item, after all, we sure do spend a lot of time here. (Just talking about all these old threads has made me really interested in finding what my first post was)


Oh dear, it looks as if I've turned evil again

bowiefanpeter
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 00:01 AM
Re: Marketing Oppourtunities new [re: Ruskie]  

I was quite annoyed at what is at the top of my TW screen as well. A grace period is be very generous and would disallow most complaints. Having been a TW regular for close to 2 years i am missing some things i would mind having a personal copy.

I do not mind paying for access to archival material.

BFP

btw, how many cdroms would be needed to carry the archive going back to the start of 2000, which was the last cut off date.





WildWind
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 00:45 AM
A faster board can only be a good thing new [re: Ruskie]  

My initial reaction to reading the alert at the top of CP was "Good ol' Evan, I knew he'd come through." And that's still how I feel.

Sure, it would have been nice to have advance warning to save posts and PMs, but the problem is that no one could get into the site reliably enough to do their own archiving! Additionally, I'm sure Evan was getting hassled by his host, and deleting messages was an immediate necessity.

I'm also confident that the old messages will indeed be archived and accessible one day, eventually, if not soon.

Should a TW librarian position be necessary, I'd be happy to oblige.

WW

You may not like the things we do
Only idiots ignore the truth.
It's easy to lie down and hide
Where's the warrior without his pride?


twister
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 01:59 AM
Life-spans new [re: Ruskie]  

If the threads in this message board had life-spans I'd probably leave.

This will, no doubt, increase the ratio drastically in it's favour for how many people actually think it should be done.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

nigelp
(electric tomato)
03/13/02 03:01 AM
Re: The Archives new [re: Ruskie]  

Here are my thoughts on the culling:

1) There was a lot of 'dead wood' in past posts made up of the total rubbish posts, posts that asked questions that are no longer relevant ie "what will his next single be?", posts with no replies etc

2) Am I right in saying that the 'before the cull' archive was never complete anyway - hadn't Evan already deleted posts from the past?

3) It is Evan's site and he has to pay for it - he had two choices and I feel that he chose the right one.

4) Yes it would be nice to have a warning, to allow time to archive our PMs, but maybe Evan didn't have time to give a warning either

Tell them they can laugh at me

Evan TorrieAdministrator
(webmaster)
03/13/02 03:17 AM
Re: The Archives new [re: nigelp]  

Hey guys

Yes, I'm making a rare appearance to explain what unfortunately was a decision made under duress.

The first I heard of it was when I got an IM and an email from two separate people saying Conversation Piece is down.. I logged in and found that all of my access to the database (including the fan registry, etc etc) was disabled. My hosting provider had disabled all access because the database had grown to 170MB (the recommended size is 20MB) and was causing slowdowns for other websites which share the same host computer as Teenage Wildlife.

I immediately emailed an Urgent request to Tech Support, who replied that my access had been disabled for the above reasons, and would only be reenabled if I promised to reduce the size of the database the same day.

Thus, my hand was pretty much forced to cut out the older messages. I culled some of the private messages because surprisingly (to me at least), they were taking up a significant amount of space themselves (the average private message is about 3x as long as the average post).

By taking the steps mentioned in the header, I've cut the database from about 170MB to 70MB - still well over the recommended size, but probably enough to placate the sysadmins for a few more months.

Incidentally, I upgraded a couple of years ago to a High Volume account, which means that I only share the server with about 10 other web sites, each of which averages around 1GB of traffic per day. The next step up would be to get a dedicated server just for Teenage Wildlife, but that's about a 60-70% increase in monthly fees, and with the collapse in site revenue after the great dot-com bust of 2000-2001, I can't easily justify that expense given the time I currently spend in my real job.

P.S., WW and Adam, I did get your message and yes, I do plan to add the necessary code to enable your suggestion. But as with all of these things, it's only going to happen when I find spare time and feel the inclination to put in the two days or so worth of effort to get it working.

----------------------
E> (webmaster@teenagewildlife.com)

nigelp
(electric tomato)
03/13/02 03:45 AM
Re: The Archives new [re: Evan Torrie]  

Evan. good to hear from you.

We need to ensure that his doesn't happen again. Here are some suggestions:

1) cut out the post rating system - this has encouraged some posters to post 'waste of space' posts just to get to a higher rating

2) limit the size of posts to a certain number of characters - this will have implications for the I Was An Artiste forum which could be solved, in part, by posters posting links to their works of 'art' hosted on other (free) web sites

3) The same goes for pictures. Only allow links for pictures that are hosted on other servers - i am sure that pictures make up the bulk of the 70Gb

I know that these might be considered to be drastic actions but think about the choices:

1) TW closes down completely
2) TW becomes a subscription service

It has been mentioned in the last few weeks - we have to take on greater responsibility for the quality of what we post (I know, was this post really necessary!)

EDIT:
Those Official Crap Threads could go for a start!

Tell them they can laugh at me

Edited by nigelp on 03/13/02 05:25 AM (server time).



Emil
(cracked actor)
03/13/02 10:15 AM
Re: The Archives new [re: nigelp]  

Now this poses serious problems for the THBDB posse, doesn't it!

On a serious note, I am with you here, nigelp, reduce allowed sizes of attachments and sigs for a starter! And... we have to live with the fact that this is a discussion forum and old threads cannot be saved forever. This is pretty natural, just that we have all been used to the luxury of being able to access two-year-old threads.



WildWind
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 10:20 AM
Suggestions for change new [re: nigelp]  

Evan, thanks for coming in. I for one am happy with your course of action.

nigelp, your suggestions are interesting possibilities, but this one scares me:

In reply to:

2) limit the size of posts to a certain number of characters - this will have implications for the I Was An Artiste forum which could be solved, in part, by posters posting links to their works of 'art' hosted on other (free) web sites


This in effect favors "My favorite color is blue" posts over more lengthy and thoughtful analysis and commentary. I also fear that the forum that would take the biggest hit with this change is Interpretation, which I believe often has the most valuable and interesting discussion.

I agree that it's a good idea to delete the crap threads and disallow people to store their personal icon on TW's database.

Edit: Another suggestion: How about deleting users that have been inactive for six months or a year or so?

Another Edit, in response to Emil:

In reply to:

Now this poses serious problems for the THBDB posse, doesn't it!


Emil, this is currently being discussed here.

WW

You may not like the things we do
Only idiots ignore the truth.
It's easy to lie down and hide
Where's the warrior without his pride?

Edited by WildWind on 03/13/02 10:43 AM (server time).



nigelp
(electric tomato)
03/13/02 01:15 PM
Re: Suggestions for change new [re: WildWind]  

In reply to:

the biggest hit with this change is Interpretation


I hadn't considered the effect that it could have on Interpretations - thanks for raising that one - but maybe a limit to say 1000 characters would still allow thoughtful analysis.

Another thought - and its drastic - how about getting rid of everyone's registration and asking everyone to re-register. There must be an awful lot of 'dead' registered users, and if they return from 'toruring the world' in the future, then they can always reregister. The only problem with this could be spiteful people nicking some of the more 'famous' usernames (no-one will want nigelp so I'm safe there)

Tell them they can laugh at me

Cisite
(electric tomato)
03/13/02 02:29 PM
Re: The Archives new [re: Ruskie]  

No one ever sent me PM's so I can't see I will notice that loss at all, as for old threads as much as I will miss reviving them, eveything has to move one sooner or later.

"Why can't people go through life without comparing their own to anyone elses?"

sedna
(cracked actor)
03/13/02 03:39 PM
Re: The Archives new [re: Cisite]  

In reply to:

No one ever sent me PM's



awe i sent you some PM's

Kick! Punch! It's all in the mind If you wanna test me, I'm sure you'll find that all the things, I'll teach ya is sure to beat ya, nevertheless you'll get a lesson from teacher now,
kick punch HO!!!!!


twister
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 06:48 PM
No Moving On new [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

And... we have to live with the fact that this is a discussion forum and old threads cannot be saved forever.


I disagree entirely. In fact, if it weren't for the fact those old threads are going to be archived and will be accesible once more I'd be more than a little distraught. Sure, a lot of the posts back then were mindless twaddle, much like now - but there was a myriad of brilliant thoughts, hilarious comments and thought-provoking speeches contained within those threads. And not just my posts - but other people's too. That there was one of those hilarious comments of which I spoke, in case you missed it.

And a life-span encourages a "chat" mentality. I'm sure some posters here would fully advocate this mentality, but Evan has always maintained from the beginning that this is not to be one of those types of message boards - which I completely stand by because those types of message boards are, to be fair, complete shite.

And with a life-span people are less likely to strive for "classic" threads. It may be hard to believe, but I've created threads myself that I simply wouldn't have considered worth the effort if they were going to disappear within a few months. As pretentious as this might sound (and I'm actually not talking about my posts for this) a good piece of writing deserves to be maintained for all time, whether it's a book, a poem, or a post on an internet message board. I don't think we should "live with the fact" that they can't be kept forever, I think we should do anything we can to keep them.

I, for one, would gladly pay real money for a disc of all the threads currently AWOL.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

twister
(stardust savant)
03/14/02 00:45 AM
A Suggestion new [re: Evan Torrie]  

I think perhaps the PM system needs to be abolished.

Don't get me wrong, I love PM's, but it's not like everyone doesn't have an e-mail address.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

bowiefanpeter
(stardust savant)
03/14/02 01:31 AM
Re: A Suggestion new [re: twister]  

I think evan did the appropriate thing in keeping off the old stuff from the server so that TW could be kept up and running for us. Torrie needs his "props" from us.

A couple things i think should be impletmented though:

Give people a grace period of a 2 weeks or so to retireive old stuff that want a copy of. I recommend doing this by disabelling the "I Was An Artist" forum, or the bulk of the old content, for that period so that no extra server space is taken up.

Put the entire iterpretation forum back up onto the TW site. These contents are not date sensitive and will be brought back/searched in the future. To a lesser extent this also applies to the NQV forum.

If i recall correctly(IIRC) the bulk of the server space was taken up by attachments. Perhaps these should have a priority of being archived first and foremost(or just take down most of the "I Was An Artist" forum.)

I'm saddened by having my old PM's unavailable to me for the foreseeable future. There must have been a reason why i kept them, no? Though i do know i will at least be given a chance to pick them up in the future....i hope.....

Thank you even for keeping up this great site, no matter how it must be done.

bfp



NoGame
(stardust savant)
03/16/02 08:15 AM
Right? new [re: twister]  

In reply to:

I think perhaps the PM system needs to be abolished.


No, it shouldn't !

Cybersex isn't half as exciting without PMs ! You can view if your partner is writing a PM on the online screen !



Life is easy If you consider things From another point of view

WildWind
(stardust savant)
03/16/02 09:50 AM
Deleting users new [re: nigelp]  

I've re-thought the idea of deleting users and decided that it isn't a good one. In fact, it's necessary to keep a database of old users because they need to be identified when viewing their posts on old threads. Remember that the thread deletion was based on the date of the last post; that means that a two-year-old thread with posts by people who are long gone could still be very much active.

If a user were deleted, then when one of their posts comes up, the system would throw an error when it tried to find that user in the database. Of course a catch could be built in for missing users, but then deleted users would show up as something like "unknown," and how annoying would that be?

The one thing that could be done is to cross-reference the remaining posts with the registered users, and delete those who in fact don't exist on any active posts. But I think that deleting users based on their last date of activity and certainly deleting the entire user list would end up causing more problems than it would solve.

WW

You may not like the things we do
Only idiots ignore the truth.
It's easy to lie down and hide
Where's the warrior without his pride?


nigelp
(electric tomato)
03/16/02 02:21 PM
Re: Deleting users new [re: WildWind]  

I never knew it was as complicated as that - shows how little I know.

In that case then, my idea is no good.

lege et lacrima

bowiefanpeter
(stardust savant)
03/16/02 03:20 PM
Re: Deleting users new [re: WildWind]  

WW, are you saying that, say Dara's, past posting could all be deleted if he is finally considered a inactive member of TW?

That would suck.

I was under the impression that most of the space was taken up by the pictures and attachments. yah or neh?


bfp




Bandit
(crash course raver)
03/16/02 06:02 PM
NoGame's PMs new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

Cybersex isn't half as exciting without PMs !


So that's what took up all the bandwidth

Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein


AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
03/16/02 07:36 PM
Interpretation new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

bowiefanpeter:
Put the entire iterpretation forum back up onto the TW site. These contents are not date sensitive and will be brought back/searched in the future. To a lesser extent this also applies to the NQV forum.


Another point is that Interpretation is relatively very small compared to the other fora. For this reason, it would make sense to have the contents in one place rather than divided between 2 different severs and 2 different searchable databases.

In reply to:

twister:
I think perhaps the PM system needs to be abolished.


I think a better option is to have the PMs expire after a time period (such as 30 days), and the option to "export" to an email address. These are script add ons for the software. But Evan would need time to implement this.

In reply to:

WW and Adam, I did get your message and yes, I do plan to add the necessary code to enable your suggestion. But as with all of these things, it's only going to happen when I find spare time and feel the inclination to put in the two days or so worth of effort to get it working.


Thank you, Evan.

The Music is Outside

NoGame
(stardust savant)
03/17/02 08:45 AM
NoGame's Clinton Files new [re: Bandit]  

In reply to:

So that's what took up all the bandwidth


Yes !

Even more dangerous is that, now I have lost my 'Clinton files' (don't know why I called it that), I cannot blackmail certain female users anymore !

Ah well, I still have pictures...

Life is easy If you consider things From another point of view

WildWind
(stardust savant)
03/17/02 11:10 AM
Users or pictures? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

WW, are you saying that, say Dara's, past posting could all be deleted if he is finally considered a inactive member of TW?


If he doesn't post and threads on which he has in the past don't remain active, all his past posting will be deleted anyway. The database will certainly continue to grow, and we're already too big even with the deletion, so I think we can assume that more post/thread deletions are inevitable in the future.

As far as wiping out his user name, I agree that this is a pretty scary prospect, but from a practical standpoint it makes sense - Dara will always be in the memories of those that remember him, and he probably doesn't matter much to those that don't. If he doesn't return, how important is it to keep his user name?

The danger is, as nigelp pointed out, some clown nicking that famous username (and others that will be deleted).

I don't think that deleting users is the greatest thing to do, and it certainly isn't the magic solution to our problems, it was just a suggestion to add to the brainstorm.

In reply to:

I was under the impression that most of the space was taken up by the pictures and attachments. yah or neh?


I'm sure that's the case, and I think a good place to start is to address the attachment-heavy areas such as crap threads and Artiste. As the ever-wise nigelp again pointed out, we should encourage linking rather than attaching.

I agree with you, BTW, that it would be great to get the Interpretation forum restored.

WW

You may not like the things we do
Only idiots ignore the truth.
It's easy to lie down and hide
Where's the warrior without his pride?


AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
03/17/02 08:09 PM
Re: Users or pictures? new [re: WildWind]  

In reply to:

The danger is, as nigelp pointed out, some clown nicking that famous username (and others that will be deleted).


I don't think this would happen because the CP usernames are controlled by a separate database - the TW Fan Registry. You cannot, for instance, register the name Abbeyjo at Conversation Piece, because the name is already reserved by the TW Fan Registry (even though she does not post here).

The Music is Outside

Paris
(kook)
03/17/02 10:42 PM
Re: The Archives new [re: Ruskie]  

Although I wasn't around in July to receive any PM's, I am semi-thrilled that the posts are gone.

I don't know, makes things feel fresh kind-of. And it prevents me from extracting hours of what will be a short-life seeing how long it takes me to find the first post on TW. [Never succeeded, but never did care]

"My excellence confused them..."

Evan TorrieAdministrator
(webmaster)
03/19/02 06:16 PM
Re: A Suggestion new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

>If i recall correctly(IIRC) the bulk of the server space was
>taken up by attachments. Perhaps these should have a
>priority of being archived first and foremost(or just take
>down most of the "I Was An Artist" forum.)

Attachments are stored on disk in files, not directly in the database.

Hence the attachments and photos that people are using are not the cause of the database slowdown.

However, they do count towards me exceeding the recommended disk space for my hosting account (1GB).

Perhaps I should just bite the bullet and buy a dedicated server. I have been doing a little bit of research on this, including the prices, and I think I could get by with something which only cost about 50-60% more per month than my current setup (although it would mean there would be a painful transition period as I move everything to the new hosting company). It would allow me to restore the old posts, as well as do drastic improvements on the speed and usability of the site.

Any comments on this idea (the big downside being that a) it would cost me more, b) I would have to spend significant time to move everything over, c) some things may be "in transition" for a while).

----------------------
E> (webmaster@teenagewildlife.com)

twister
(stardust savant)
03/19/02 07:35 PM
Quick Everyone - Seduce Evan! new [re: Evan Torrie]  

In reply to:

Perhaps I should just bite the bullet and buy a dedicated server.


Well, you'd have my undying love...

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

Tati_wl
(stardust savant)
03/19/02 11:04 PM
seduce Evan? Bring a sheep new [re: twister]  

Hi, Evan.

If you buy a new server, I promise I´ll buy a digicam.

Jokes apart, I´d love to see TW in a new server. The downsides sounds upseting. How much time is it needed to store everything in the new server - a weekend, or a month? If you can handdle to do this without spoiling your work time, I think you should try and dedicate some of your time to TW, since you haven´t really been around in a lot of time But I think it´s really up to you, and what you plan for the future of TW...



Tati


Ruskie
(crash course raver)
03/19/02 11:32 PM
Subject new [re: Evan Torrie]  

Well, the harsh reality is that as long as we all stay here and continue talking, the server is only going to continue to fill up, and will continually need "cleaning". In the long run getting your own server might be easier to deal with. Of course I realize you don't have the same drive to work on this site you once had, so i don't want to push anything that would cause to much a disturbance to your routine these days.

And if you do decide to get a server, you might want to consider putting something like this on the site:


Most of us spend so much time here I'm sure many would be willing to help with the financial burden; banner ads can only do so much.

The interesting news. As only Ruskie can give it to you.

Alys
(kook)
03/20/02 00:29 AM
Re: A Suggestion new [re: Evan Torrie]  

I like Ruskie's idea of the Paypal donation link... I know that I certainly would donate- perhaps more than once. Heck, maybe even once a month. I used to pay $6/month to access Bowienet, and I don't do that anymore, so donating it here is much better!
Thanks for cutting down the size of CP, I am happy to be able to get into it again to post, and read, and just hang out. I haven't missed any of my PMs or anything yet, nor have I ever really searched for any old posts.
As for getting a dedicated server, I think that would ROCK! The increased cost could (hopefully) be partly covered by the donations in the above suggestion. Transition time/downtime I could deal with

And to Tati- buy that digital cam! Please!

just my two cents,
alys


"Place thy foot upon thy slave,
Oh thou, half of hell, half of dreams;
Among the shadows, dark and grave,
Thy extended body gleams."

-Sacher-Masoch, from Venus in Furs

flossie
(mortal with potential)
03/20/02 00:29 AM
Bringing on the Sheep new [re: Tati_wl]  

In reply to:

If you buy a new server, I promise I´ll buy a digicam.


Me too!!!!

Evan, the new server sounds like a wonderful idea.



Tati_wl
(stardust savant)
03/20/02 06:23 AM
...or I could go to Calgary and borrow yours new [re: Alys]  

Hi, Alys. :)

Just a question: how much it costs to buy a new server? That´s something I have absolutely no idea. Is it U$300, or U$3000? If it helps, I could try and donate money too (I still paying for BowieNet and I don´t even go there anymore! hmph!).

However, some people may misunderstand a donation with buying a service, and start to really annoy Evan demanding this and that.


Tati


NoGame
(stardust savant)
03/20/02 10:08 AM
The Future new [re: Tati_wl]  

I think that if a new server ensures the future of this wonderful site which provided so many fun, interesting and happy moments, their should be a new server.

I wouldn't mind donating as well.

Life is easy If you consider things From another point of view

white rabbit
(cracked actor)
03/20/02 10:24 AM
Ditto new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

I wouldn't mind donating as well.


Count me in, too, if needed!

I wanted to change the world; now I can't be bothered to change my socks.

Ruskie
(crash course raver)
04/07/02 10:17 AM
Again? new [re: Ruskie]  

Maybe I'm here, but on my side this past day, it seems like TW has been slowing down again. But maybe it'll pass...

The interesting news. As only Ruskie can give it to you.

twister
(acolyte)
04/15/02 08:37 PM
Um, Evan? new [re: Evan Torrie]  

In reply to:

Perhaps I should just bite the bullet and buy a dedicated server. [...] It would allow me to restore the old posts, as well as do drastic improvements on the speed and usability of the site.


Has any kind of decision been made on this front? It's just as ashamed as I ought to be being emotionally attached to posts on a message board I'm actively missing old posts. Reading older posts here has always been a large part of the attraction of the place, for me, at least. Or if you're deciding not to do the whole expensive, post-restorin', speed-increasin' upgrade thing, any idea of an estimate as to when you'd maybe get a chance to archiving older posts for public access? I mean, should the answer be November 2027 then that's the answer and I'll just have to make my peace with it, I would just be grateful at having some kind of idea as to what the answer might actually be, regardless of how much I may or may not like it, if answering that sort of question is at all possible.

Cheers.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

WildWind
(stardust savant)
04/25/02 04:33 PM
The return of the fat black "Oops" new [re: twister]  

The board has been a bit slow lately and today I got the first "Oops" message I've seen since the purge.

It's not that surprising, since Evan indicated that the database was still too big even after the purge, and since there's been a lot of activity lately surrounding the new album and upcoming concerts in addition to all the petty bickering.

I've removed those two mammoth posts of mine in the ugly backlash thread. I don't know if that on its own will help, but it certainly can't hurt since the only reason it was two posts was that it was too big to be one.

Right now it's as fast as ever, but I fear that is temporary. The trend would certainly seem to indicate that we still have a problem. Where do we go from here?

WW

WWWD?

Tristan
(stardust savant)
04/25/02 07:00 PM
Re: The return of the fat black "Oops" new [re: WildWind]  

Yes, I've noticed the slowness too. And another thing I've noticed today is that when I click on a subject I sometimes get taken back to the beginning of the thread instead of only the posts I haven't read.
Damn, that was a long sentence.

A sound of waves in a pool of water; I'm drowning in my nostalgia. - ds

Tati_wl
(stardust savant)
04/25/02 09:18 PM
bug new [re: Tristan]  

Tristan, the same is happening with me: when I click in a thread, instead of taking me to the last new-post, I go to the first.
I didn´t notice any "slowness" or "Oops" messages yet, but there might be something wrong going on

Tati


twister
(acolyte)
06/21/02 07:06 PM
A couple of months on... new [re: twister]  

So given the whole pre-2002 fiasco, are we to assume the aforementioned hypothetical dedicated server plan isn't likely to come into fruition?

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/20/09 05:53 PM
Corner Chestnut and Low new [re: Ruskie]  

There was a story on a website today—yahoo news, iirc—concerning the banning of certain ISPs from the internet archive http://web.archive.org on the grounds of rampant Hawkerism. I decided to try out its archive features on TW's very own Conversation Piece, and voila!

Highlights discovered so far:

Arianna Huffington is an articulate, vibrant woman – p2c.

Unfair Gender Rules – Phoenix

Why Are Bowie Fans Getting Younger and Stupider? – some newbie

Attention Athiests – we're fucked – R/R

Things that suck – jumptheysay

As you may guess from the above selection, the archive is vastly incomplete and there are infinite numbers of dead links. (The last of the above was included only because it featured a number of now-famous TWers as kooks/tomatoes, etc.) The archive is slow and there doesn't seem to be much of a pattern to which threads work/don't work. But, obviously, if you're bored (like Clover) or procrastinating (like me) then it might provide some amusement.

My niceness is another quality others do not now know to handle.

Remade/Remodeled
(acolyte)
01/21/09 04:03 PM
Judge Yrself new [re: Auntie Prism]  

sorry about that guys.

Remember, I was 16 and this was pre-9/11... it was a different world.

Je est un autre

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/21/09 04:52 PM
Someday Sweetheart new [re: Remade/Remodeled]  

I hadn't actually read the threads when I linked them, above, for future reference.

Needless to say, yours was the first I read, and ye gods, it is cringeworthy.

Still, I noticed that my 'I hate sports' thread is in one of the archives. After seeing my preschool phraseology on another archived thread, I was too scared to click on it.

Hey haaay! The archive also allows privileged access to PMs (which were presumably 'hits' on the day the archive was taken). If you folks want to see piccies of Ruskie flashing his wang for Androgene's admiration, you know who to call.

My niceness is another quality others do not now know to handle.

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/21/09 05:20 PM
You're the limit TOO MUCH FOR ME new [re: Auntie Prism]  

And finally, before this turns into an obsession, two awesome threads:

1) Would you room with a homosexual? – Dice. A thread I actually remember.

2) Is pornography 'sexist'? – White Prism. I tried to find the embarrassing 'sports' post mentioned above, but this is probably second best for its failure at hip irony. I did eventually (later) resolve this question, by the way, modifying Glitterbot's answer somewhat, but what you didn't know was that eraserhead was the girlfriend in question. [I ought to wink or somethin', but all smilies are inappropriate here.]

My niceness is another quality others do not now know to handle.

PHOENIX
(phunnix little bunnix)
02/05/09 06:06 AM
That was particularly painful new [re: Auntie Prism]  

*ow*

People. What a bunch of bastards.


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