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Ruskie
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 07:25 PM
The Archives new  

I'm sure we've all read the PLEASE READ! posting at the top of our screen by now; if you haven't, please do so now.

On the subject of private messages. I'm a bit upset private messages dated before 2002 were deleted ("archived" if you will) immediatly from the server, i would've liked to have had a few days notice by our webmaster, as there were some messages i would've liked to have saved myself had I known they would be lost. However, since TW is a thriving community, obviouslly our collection of PMs will build up again. I propose Mr. Torrie sets in place a 30 day expiration period on all privite messages. Deleting them, (archiving them),after 30 days of their read date. So that people know when they will disappear, as well as keeping the number of messages to be stored on the server to a minimum. As for threads, I think a similar policy should be put in place. Giving threads a one time to live count from the last post.

With each day the pile will grow higher, and I think regular "cleanings" should be made standard in the future for the well-being of the community board.


**One more thought came me, although a bit more "far fetched".

Even though old threads disappear, there will no doubt be a desire among the populous to reference those old threads. So perhaps, we should have a few select TW Librarians who have access to the archives, and can cite old posts, and research the archived threads when it is needed. The manor in which they recieve this compolation of data can be discussed. I'm sure it is far too much to simply download off a server, perhaps if the webmaster were so willing, he could record the information on CDs and mail them to the scribes. Naturally, some names come to mind first as having reputations as referancers in the past, Wild Wind and Adam being two logical mentions. Of course, the reality of this happening would depend on popular interest for such a reference among the community, and the willingness of those to act as the record keepers.

Anyway, i've gone off on a tanget. Any other thoughts, comments, humorous pictures?

Oh dear, it looks as if I've turned evil again

Tati_wl
(stardust savant)
03/12/02 10:24 PM
archives? will be a legend new [re: Ruskie]  

Iīm upset to lose old PMs too; I was willing to save some of them in my computer tonight... now I regret I didnīt do this months ago, like suggested a few times in the past.

I find the idea of the TW Librarians a bit difficult to be put in practice (can I be just sincere? I think Evan just doesnīt have any time or any interest in dealing with this, he probably only came here because he was pressured by the server owner to delete the files here on the conv. piece and lost precious few spare time).

Besides, I find a little boring to have a few chosen people telling "this was discussed before, here", when we canīt have the chance to search by ourselves.

Something tells me that we might never access those archives... but who knows, one day everything be back to normal? For now, we shouldnīt complain when at least we can still using this space... and maybe now itīs faster :)

Tati


AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 11:14 PM
Re: The Archives new [re: Ruskie]  

In reply to:

However, since TW is a thriving community, obviouslly our collection of PMs will build up again. I propose Mr. Torrie sets in place a 30 day expiration period on all privite messages. Deleting them, (archiving them),after 30 days of their read date. So that people know when they will disappear, as well as keeping the number of messages to be stored on the server to a minimum. As for threads, I think a similar policy should be put in place. Giving threads a one time to live count from the last post.


The expiry of threads is a native feature of the software. This feature has been switched off. But as for archiving, I can only guess how that may work. It sounds like Evan will use another server for the archives, allowing the message board server to be more free. But how the link is established, I'm not sure. Perhaps it will be something like the guestbook archive.

I would love to have a copy of the board on CD and would be happy being a TW Librarian.

The Music is Outside

AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 11:27 PM
Re: archives? will be a legend new [re: Tati_wl]  

In reply to:

Iīm upset to lose old PMs too; I was willing to save some of them in my computer tonight... now I regret I didnīt do this months ago, like suggested a few times in the past.


I tried this about two weeks ago, because I was fearing the same thing. I downloaded a program called Surfsaver but I had no luck saving my PMs. I also want to archive some of the messages in Interpretation and elsewhere.

Here is the link to Surf Saver. If anyone else has luck with this software or any other web page saver, please let me know.

The Music is Outside

Ruskie
(crash course raver)
03/12/02 11:44 PM
Marketing Oppourtunities new [re: Adam]  

Just another side thought. Evan, in a way to raise more money to support the site, and pay for more bandwidth for the message boards, could sell CDs with TW's "archives" on them, for say $5 a peice. I think there'd be a quite a few here who would be interested in having such an item, after all, we sure do spend a lot of time here. (Just talking about all these old threads has made me really interested in finding what my first post was)


Oh dear, it looks as if I've turned evil again

bowiefanpeter
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 00:01 AM
Re: Marketing Oppourtunities new [re: Ruskie]  

I was quite annoyed at what is at the top of my TW screen as well. A grace period is be very generous and would disallow most complaints. Having been a TW regular for close to 2 years i am missing some things i would mind having a personal copy.

I do not mind paying for access to archival material.

BFP

btw, how many cdroms would be needed to carry the archive going back to the start of 2000, which was the last cut off date.





WildWind
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 00:45 AM
A faster board can only be a good thing new [re: Ruskie]  

My initial reaction to reading the alert at the top of CP was "Good ol' Evan, I knew he'd come through." And that's still how I feel.

Sure, it would have been nice to have advance warning to save posts and PMs, but the problem is that no one could get into the site reliably enough to do their own archiving! Additionally, I'm sure Evan was getting hassled by his host, and deleting messages was an immediate necessity.

I'm also confident that the old messages will indeed be archived and accessible one day, eventually, if not soon.

Should a TW librarian position be necessary, I'd be happy to oblige.

WW

You may not like the things we do
Only idiots ignore the truth.
It's easy to lie down and hide
Where's the warrior without his pride?


twister
(stardust savant)
03/13/02 01:59 AM
Life-spans new [re: Ruskie]  

If the threads in this message board had life-spans I'd probably leave.

This will, no doubt, increase the ratio drastically in it's favour for how many people actually think it should be done.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

nigelp
(electric tomato)
03/13/02 03:01 AM
Re: The Archives new [re: Ruskie]  

Here are my thoughts on the culling:

1) There was a lot of 'dead wood' in past posts made up of the total rubbish posts, posts that asked questions that are no longer relevant ie "what will his next single be?", posts with no replies etc

2) Am I right in saying that the 'before the cull' archive was never complete anyway - hadn't Evan already deleted posts from the past?

3) It is Evan's site and he has to pay for it - he had two choices and I feel that he chose the right one.

4) Yes it would be nice to have a warning, to allow time to archive our PMs, but maybe Evan didn't have time to give a warning either

Tell them they can laugh at me

Evan TorrieAdministrator
(webmaster)
03/13/02 03:17 AM
Re: The Archives new [re: nigelp]  

Hey guys

Yes, I'm making a rare appearance to explain what unfortunately was a decision made under duress.

The first I heard of it was when I got an IM and an email from two separate people saying Conversation Piece is down.. I logged in and found that all of my access to the database (including the fan registry, etc etc) was disabled. My hosting provider had disabled all access because the database had grown to 170MB (the recommended size is 20MB) and was causing slowdowns for other websites which share the same host computer as Teenage Wildlife.

I immediately emailed an Urgent request to Tech Support, who replied that my access had been disabled for the above reasons, and would only be reenabled if I promised to reduce the size of the database the same day.

Thus, my hand was pretty much forced to cut out the older messages. I culled some of the private messages because surprisingly (to me at least), they were taking up a significant amount of space themselves (the average private message is about 3x as long as the average post).

By taking the steps mentioned in the header, I've cut the database from about 170MB to 70MB - still well over the recommended size, but probably enough to placate the sysadmins for a few more months.

Incidentally, I upgraded a couple of years ago to a High Volume account, which means that I only share the server with about 10 other web sites, each of which averages around 1GB of traffic per day. The next step up would be to get a dedicated server just for Teenage Wildlife, but that's about a 60-70% increase in monthly fees, and with the collapse in site revenue after the great dot-com bust of 2000-2001, I can't easily justify that expense given the time I currently spend in my real job.

P.S., WW and Adam, I did get your message and yes, I do plan to add the necessary code to enable your suggestion. But as with all of these things, it's only going to happen when I find spare time and feel the inclination to put in the two days or so worth of effort to get it working.

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E> (webmaster@teenagewildlife.com)


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