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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/20/04 08:53 AM
Re: Oopsing. new [re: Dara]  

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The history of Bowie may be on the more Bowie-centric boards, but the history of TW is recorded primarily in the Coffee Shop.


Well said Dara. Coffee shop is the one area in TW that I love dearly. It's also the reason why i've wasted too much time in here. Our own little culture is something of value and you don't find anything similar in most of the fan communities i've seen.

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died


SugarPlumFairy
(leasing the moon)
05/20/04 03:42 PM
Assuming the role of someone taking this seriously new [re: JonnyManic]  

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pseudo-postmodernists with your Derrida-this and your Baudrillard-that think that history has come to an end


I just have to say that's the most misled and skewed idea of postmodern cultural studies I have heard.
Of course it's true that some postmodern-enthusiasts have gone to the direction you indicate, but that you seem to want to see the entire field of research as pseudo-scientific and anti-historical also shows where you're coming from.



Persilot
(crash course raver)
05/20/04 06:18 PM
Re: Oopsing. new [re: RabbitFighter]  

True enough. There is only so much you can be bothered to say about Bowie before you get the urge to post an "interesting vegetables you have seen" in the coffee shop. I think it's fine as is.

"If a man consults whether he is to fight, when he has the power in his own hands, it is certain that his opinion is against fighting." - Nelson

JonnyManic
(stardust savant)
05/20/04 09:50 PM
what can I say, I'm a marxist new [re: SugarPlumFairy]  

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Of course it's true that some postmodern-enthusiasts have gone to the direction you indicate, but that you seem to want to see the entire field of research as pseudo-scientific and anti-historical also shows where you're coming from.


I was just kidding. The idea that history has ended is something of a postmodern conceit though, mainly propogated by the American right who feel that history has come to an end in American capitalist hegemony.

I actually very much appreciate Baudrillard, his ideas about hyperreality and simulacra are very useful in critiques of modern culture, and Foucault and Barthes are useful too. Derrida's pretty worthless in my opinion though, deconstruction is just wordplay for people who can't perform textual analysis. Chomsky's stuff on postmodernism is very amusing, actually.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/21/04 02:31 AM
Rw new [re: Sysiyo]  

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It is of course entirely possible the bulk posts in CS are not causing the oopsing. As said, I'm no expert in these things.



Consider this: there haven't been any major outages lately and neither has Dogz been active. Coincidence? I don't think so.

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SugarPlumFairy
(leasing the moon)
05/21/04 10:56 AM
Re: what can I say, I'm a marxist new [re: JonnyManic]  

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I was just kidding.


I know.

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The idea that history has ended is something of a postmodern conceit though, mainly propogated by the American right who feel that history has come to an end in American capitalist hegemony.


Very good point. I'd say the same kind of idea is nested somewhere deep in European thinking as well. Might have something to do with the neverending project of Enlightenment, which perceives history as a linear ascent into ever greater wellbeing, until a perfect society is reached. This thinking is a secret fault of many Marxists, too.

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Derrida's pretty worthless in my opinion though, deconstruction is just wordplay for people who can't perform textual analysis.


That depends how you use it and what you combine it with. It's a tool to help with the work, not something you should allow to dominate the whole analysis. I like to combine deconstructivist thinking with Barthes, Bakhtin, postcolonial theories and some strands of new psychoanalytical theories.

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JonnyManic
(stardust savant)
05/21/04 12:36 PM
Typical Site Feedback discussion, natch... new [re: SugarPlumFairy]  

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Very good point. I'd say the same kind of idea is nested somewhere deep in European thinking as well. Might have something to do with the neverending project of Enlightenment, which perceives history as a linear ascent into ever greater wellbeing, until a perfect society is reached.


I'm not so sure that the idea that history has ended is a European notion, it would be more accurate to assume that the European notion would be "History will end, but not as long as the Yanks are boss", hence the drive for European unification on the continent. The whole modernist-Enlightenment has a kind of 'inevitatibility' built into it that is very naive. You know, I don't knock the Enlightenment, I welcome the intrusion of reason and logic into our thinking, but it's quest for objective or (especially) aesthetic truth is about the most ludicrous idea ever. The whole premise of a lack of objective truth is what got me sympathising with postmodernism in the first place. What puts me off is the prevalance of the idea that the lack of truth is somehow liberating which leads us to the "postmodern" condition of a lack of values and respect for humanity.

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This thinking is a secret fault of many Marxists, too


It's not a secret and it's amongst most Marxists. More contemplative Marxists realise that this "ascent" to a perfect society is not something that's bound to happen and, in the "postmodern world", our ideas and processes have to adapt. Historical and Dialectical Materialism is just a way of interpreting history, it's not gospel as many lefties seem to think. Actually, Foucault and Derrida were both essentially Marxist thinkers who developed what were seemingly more relevant techniques. If you read their discussions of Marxism, you can see they really engage with it. PM me your email, I'll send you an interesting essay on reconciling postmodernism and Marxism if you like.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/21/04 01:30 PM
Re: what can I say, I'm a marxist new [re: SugarPlumFairy]  

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This thinking is a secret fault of many Marxists, too.


How dare three insult Marx? Now I must hit three with the big stick of socialist enlightment!

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hangontoyourself
(kook)
05/21/04 02:00 PM
Re: Oopsing. new [re: Sysiyo]  

If it'll stop "Oops" messages then sounds good...does it matter profoundly if old posts are archived? If they lie forgotten after 100 days it's unlikely they're of HUGE importance.

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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/21/04 02:16 PM
Re: Oopsing. new [re: hangontoyourself]  

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does it matter profoundly if old posts are archived?


Yes it does matter. Like others stated before, that's where our history lies. Besides, Bowie might be the thing that drags us here but Coffee shop is certainly the main reason why we stay here. If you disagree with me i'm forced to stone you to death.

I bear more grudges
than lonely high court judges



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