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th0mas
(acolyte)
08/23/04 11:30 AM
one. not one gazillion. new [re: pablopicasso]  

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Well thanks for keeping an open mind Thomas.


you stick your open mind into your damn ass. i tried "to keep an open mind" way too long with the result that dd74 just kept on annoying me. i don't see why i should do that once more. i give a shit about what dd74 told you because he is simply a motherfucking idiot and won't ever change as he has proven us again and again. therefore it makes no difference whether i judge him on what he does from september on. he will fuck the thing up once more. and i refuse to pay the price for giving him another chance which won't lead to any other result than him being banned after destroying several good threads. its nice that the mods give him one more chance, but i won't. and if any poster messes up dogz' chance, i doubt i would have any problem with it.

"Have you tried... not being a mutant?"

poorsoul
(acolyte)
08/23/04 12:12 PM
While We're Being All Gushy... new [re: CharlieManson]  

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As I have said, I have been a viewer for over a year now, and see the above statement come up so often, maybe there is a reason the newbies feel like that.



I believe you do have a valid point there. Noone's denying that there are cliques here and that, as a consequence of them sharing the same point of view, certain posters can be seen to be ganging up on others they see as stepping out of line. While it'd be great if everyone got along and threads didn't degrade into the bitter exchange of snide remarks, at the same time, it's part of what makes TW such an interesting site to visit. I'm sure you could spend hours pouring over the feuds between Stu and R/R or Stu and Strawman or Stu and... well, you get the point. It's hard to tell how seriously the involved parties take it (which is probably part of the problem with the newbie hazing) but for outside observers it can be quite hilarious.

It also serves as quite a useful screening process. Unless you have a thick skin or something intelligent to contribute, you're not going to last long. Sure, it's a form of elitism but it's a lot better than having the board flooded with B.Net-type Laby-fawners, starting a new thread every second day about how much they like Bowie in tights. And when such posters do appear, they either change or fork out their $70 and gush away to their heart's content.

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I do however understand the quality control argument and think that where the quality really dips is the infighting. A well written message of inightful advice is worth more than 100 posts of abuse.



Although nowhere near as entertaining.

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Although I can see that DD74 has ignored some of the advice he has been given.



And, since we're not privy to his private messages, we can't be fully aware of the extent of that advice. I must admit, he (whether real or not) did improve but he flaunted the rules and now he's paying the price.

Also, since you brought up the subject of my posting patterns, I'll be the first one to admit my contributions have had a tendency to be inane and nonsensical but for some stange reason some people find them to be amusing. Others, like Starlite and power2charm, however, openly criticised me, the latter somewhat more aggresively, yet now I have the former actually defending me. Admittedly, I completely disregarded their comments; I understood where they were coming from, I just didn't let it get under my skin, partly because I was aware of what I was doing and also because while having my detractors, I seem to have accumulated a notable selection of admirers. Personally, I think most of them are crazy but, hey, so am I. The lesson is, if you're going to be annoying, at least do it in a way that keeps the mods on your side.

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I sometimes wish I had thought harder when picking a name to register here, as I am sure now I have started posting more "wordy" messages a few posters might ignore them due to the "jokey" nature of my name, however I cannot be bothered to reregister.



Actually, although I can only speak for myself, I found it to be quite the contrary. When you first made your appearance, given your smooth entrance, apparent knowledge of the workings of the board and, most of all, your assumed identity, I took you to be some form alterego in the manner of Ann Landers or Monkeyboy (although I'm quite sure if they deigned to respond to this post it would be to assert their authenticity). Now, though, after reading your wordy messages, as you put it, I think you've demonstrated that this is not the case, that you're not merely some character-alter. Of course, I could be completely mistaken and you might find my taking you seriously rather amusing but that's part of the fun.

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My words are my own though, I speak them sincerely, and am glad that the moderators are seeing it in their power to give DD74 another chance. I hope we can all be adult enough to make that chance fair. Come september it will be day one, let's judge him on the posts he makes, not the posts he made.



I absolutely agree. I find it quite interesting that my name has been bandied about quite a bit in this line of discussion, as I never considered myself one of the crew working towards his removal. Sure, I started his fan club and a lot of my interactions with him were in the form of snide comments questioning his intelligence and, of course, the thread which was the precursor for this one, I never once suggested he should be banned.

However, given his behaviour, his apparent flaunting of the rules laid down for him and his uncanny ability to provoke the ire of even the most sane people on the board, even I could see that things had to change and, seeing the chance to set things in motion, I did what I felt was the best thing to do. I had assumed that would be the end of it but now, hearing the news that the door will be open for his return, I don't feel aggrieved in the slightest. If he reforms, great; if he doesn't, he won't be around long enough to get up too many people's noses. Either way, it's no skin off mine.

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NURSE! NURSE!!!



Yes, I think it's time to try changing our medication. I hear Dogz is supplying.

999



Marquis
(acolyte)
08/23/04 01:50 PM
A Modest Proposal new [re: poorsoul]  

I think the easiest and best way to solve problems like this in the future is to act right now and instate Dara as TW's own God-Emperor. In each case of possible banning, one poster from either side of the argument (possibly to be determined by moderators, possibly by group consensus) would fly to Dublin to present their case and sacrifice a few lambs on His altar. Dara would then pass judgement, and we would all praise His wise decision.

Alternately, we could just have Dara come back every few months and randomly strike down whomever He pleased.

edited to make Dara more Godlike than He already is

Sadness is for poor people.

Edited by Marquis on 08/23/04 02:20 PM (server time).



pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
08/23/04 01:54 PM
Re: A Modest Proposal new [re: Marquis]  

I would accept that.

If you want me to play, I will.
If you want me to not play at all, I won't.
Whatever it is that pleases you Paul, I'll do it.


John_Q_Public
(mortal with potential)
08/23/04 03:30 PM
Re: We all deserve another chance. new [re: pablopicasso]  

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He has said he is not going to get into "fights" with people, even when provoked.


Has he said anything about not posting endless mindless drivel?

Don’t hide your head in the sand, Pablo, it was never about “fights”. Fights are what makes the TW world go round, whether they’re real or pretend. People enjoy a good fight at TW, whether as participant or observer. Fighting was never the problem with DD74 and if he’s trying to fool himself into believing that these mythical “fights” were the reason for his banishment then he’s going to get a rude awakening.

The problem is and always has been the 12.2 posts per day of inane drivel. The problem is that he can’t see a thread without thinking that he must contribute to it, however pointlessly. The problem is that he posts crap in such obtrusive volume that it throws out the flow of every thread that he participates in (which is basically every Goddamn thread he comes across).

He annoyed people because of his prevalence, not his presence. And he’s been advised of this time and time again, and chose to disregard that advice time and time again. If he continues to disregard that advice when he is allowed back in, and goes back to ruining the flow of threads with multiple posts of irrelevant inane drivel, his tenure may be foreshortened once again and hopefully, this time, permanently.

Probation? Pussies!

Johnny plays the sitar, he's an existentialist

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
08/24/04 03:07 AM
Re: On Our Behalf new [re: th0mas]  

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but trying to be nice to be nice to someone who did not deserve it nor knew how to thank you for your offers, just lead that thing to a bigger problem.


Seems like I did not make this clear enough: The temporary ban until the end of September is not meant as being nice to dd74 but as a concession to those TWers who put down valid points why a ban contradicts their understanding of this message board.

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this whole incident will just repeat itself.


As said before: If dd74 sticks to what he did before he is out. Quickly and for good.

th0mas, I fully understand your arguments and the demand for an immediate and complete ban - all well thought and said. Still there is more than one opinion around when it comes to banning people from TW in general. And that's what has to be considered by those who control the lockout button. May it even contradict their own opinions.

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(John_Q_Public:) The problem is that he posts crap in such obtrusive volume that it throws out the flow of every thread that he participates in (which is basically every Goddamn thread he comes across).


That is indeed why I said that the reason for the ban is the severe damage to communication and interaction on this board by dd74. If this was about fights everybody who ever got involved in a NoControl thread would have been long out - myself included.


And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


JonnyManic
(stardust savant)
08/24/04 07:44 PM
The Rise and Fall of a Clown new [re: pablopicasso]  

I must say, I found DD74 to be one of the most offensive posters here. I found him to be bigotted and offensive and thought he should have been banned. TW should offer no platform to the kind of things he was talking about and we really should have nipped it in the bud then. After a while though, it became crushingly obvious that the guy was just a total idiot who was spouting some nonsense that had no doubt been drilled into his head by all sorts of means. He sort of settled into a general pattern of just being dumb and I really didn't care if he was banned or not. He was just there.

Now that he's gone, I can't help feeling a little dissapointed. As annoying as he was, he had started to feel like a piece of the furniture. Not a good piece, hell no. Maybe an old, battered chair left by the old owners with ripped upholstery and odd stains on the arm. Certainly, I'm not going to miss his presence but I can't help feeling that our impatience with the silly old sod speaks as much about our intolerance as it does his arseheadedness.

I mean, really, I found the guy very trying but did he cause me any serious or meaningful inconvenience? If I'm honest, not really. I always had the option of engaging with him or skirting over his nonsense, and he sometimes provoked some lively discussion with his peanut-like mental capacity. On the other hand, I'm sure that TW gave the chimp no end of fun which we've now denied him.

Finally ridding ourselves of Dogz seems a somewhat hollow victory to me.

Jay, you are a capital ess, another ess I see...

forgetthatim50
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/24/04 09:05 PM
Re: The Rise and Fall of a Clown new [re: JonnyManic]  

Don't worry it all starts again at the end of September.



Tin
(cracked actor)
08/25/04 02:39 AM
It's so obvious, to me anyway [re: forgetthatim50]  

That anyone, like ddz, who could create so much controversy has some sort of power, negative or positive.

Is it not still our choice to ignore, not read posts by and not engage with those who bug the hell out of us to no good end? Very much like TV or radio... don't like it, shut it off/tune it out.

If no one had continually engaged ddz, he'd likely have moved on to another board or become a lesser presence here. Now we simply have more wasted space discussing the very bane ad nauseum, along with the looming knowledge he will return, likely with venom. Sheesh.

It is my opinion and I am unanimous in this, because it is my opinion, which is, in fact, mine.

Beltene
(crash course raver)
08/25/04 06:30 AM
Re: While We're Being All Gushy... new [re: poorsoul]  

This message board had the unique opportunity to witness Beltene's evolutionary changes. Somewhere along the way Beltene became better than you. Some of you simply accepted the fact and moved on, others, like Marquis and WhitePrism, continued to question Beltene's superiority.

So yeah, it's been emotional.


Pallas Athena


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