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Starlite
(stardust savant)
10/20/04 08:58 AM
Re: Crew slut new [re: ohramona]  

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And why should moderators be held to such lofty standards? Our opinions are every bit as valid as those of you non-moderating posters (NMPs).


Agreed. What, they become mods and they aren't allowed to be human anymore? I don't know about you, but I'm not for losing some of our oldest posters just in order to gain several generic mod-bots.

I think as long as they don't let their dislike of a poster lead to an abuse of their mod powers (locking/deleting/editing his or her posts without due provocation, etc), it's perfectly fine to voice an opinion.

"I love Let's Dance! I love every track on it! I love China Girl!"
--Wraith2


guitarwolf
(mortal with potential)
10/20/04 11:30 AM
Re: The Euro Mods are watching you new [re: power2charm]  

I hardly ever post though I've been reasding this board for maybe 4 years now, but I must say that the mods here are sometimes quite childish and take their duties far too seriously.



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
10/20/04 12:40 PM
Objection! new [re: power2charm]  

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Third, I blame Sysiyo for the three month expiry in Artistes forum. I think he was for it just so he could decide which threads to keep and which to let die, the power hungry yetti.


Like I have explicitly stated several times before, the auto-expiry of I Was An Artiste was not my idea. I can understand why the confusion is so easy to make, as the auto-expiry came into effect at the same time when I assumed the moderator duties for that forum. However, the idea was originally Adam's, and I opposed it (still do).

So, you see, instead of letting my personal opinions guide me and say 'oh this auto-expiry sucks big time, thanks so much Adam! ' on every thread in Artiste, I try to maintain a professional approach to the issue and make it clear to people where we stand.

Secondly, I keep thread in artiste if someone asks for a thread to be kept. I have not kept a single thread because I wished it to be kept, and I have not refused a single request for keeping a thread.

Thirdly, I point out that a thread is in the wrong forum publicly for three reasons: (1) it makes it clear to the user making the error that s/he shouldn't do it, (2) I feel it's better the error is pointed out by a mod, not by a 'normal user' (and quite a few people would point it out), and (3) it also works as a pointer to Adam that he should move the thread. Like mentioned on one of the threads I moved from News to Collector's Corner, each moderator has only the power to move threads between forums s/he moderates. Hence I can only move threads between News, Collectors and Artiste, EJ can only move threads between News and V&Q, etc etc. If people feel so strongly about this issue, I can start using PMs to inform the poster and the mod needed about the thread needing relocation. However, let me assure you I find pointing out the placement of a thread in the wrong forum in no way amusing.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
10/20/04 12:50 PM
All The Modmen new [re: guitarwolf]  

Well, as people start to take this seriously just a quick serious word from me:

What are the duties of the moderators?

Well, my own philosophy is that I put my efforts into keeping the interaction on this board alive. I try to come up with threads that make others reply, and reply myself to posts and threats I find interesting. Furthermore and as important I try to stay away from threads that I find uninteresting and to avoid posting my dislike for the subject matter.

Spreading insults is normally not part of my personality while contradiction certainly is. When Adam asked me if I wanted to become a moderator here I replied that I am not a moderate person and would actually like to take part in heavy discussions here, just as I was doing as a non-mod. Adam's reply was that it is important for a moderator to not change personality by the job and that I must stay as I am. I happily oblidged. And when somebody claims that I insulted other TWers as a moderator I actually do not believe that. Fights? yes. Insults? Not really (with maybe the exception of dd74, I am not sure), at least I am not aware of it.

The next thing I find important is to keep an eye on dangerous content here. This is a tricky thing as some find funny what others find disgusting or perfectly legal. Racism and pornography must be kept away as well as illegal offerings of music or sometimes content from other web sites. As I would like to keep this side open to as many people as possible of all kinds and ages some things have to be stopped. But still I believe that TW has very wide limits to all this and actually there has very little been removed here in recent times.

Sometimes fairly important (for this site) and unpleasant decisions have to be made by the moderators. The latest dd74 case was one of those and to be honest: I still cannot understand that people here claim that what we did was wrong. Some still complain that he was banned at all, others that he wasn't banned for good. That we offered and implemented a compromise that respected the different arguments from all sides seems to be a move that is beyond some people's grasp it seems. Neither side held the full truth but still 'Either my way or non' was what some wanted. And that's exactly what the moderators did not want though it would have been easy for them to do it, to have it all their way. In fact they are the only ones here who can have that. But they don't do it. In full contrast to those who claim that moderating powers are misused. They are not, not the slightest, otherwise dd74 would have been long gone without a return.

And from the reaction in the current dd74 thread I gather that many TWers have acknowledged that. And so has dd74 himself.

I tell you what: I am thoroughly happy with how that story has turned out so far. And furthermore I am a little proud of the mods and all those who collaborated in this difficult attempt to save a good part of TW's soul.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Marquis
(acolyte)
10/20/04 01:01 PM
Banned in D.C. new [re: hangontoyourself]  

In reply to:

It's only OhRomana who I dislike.




Let me say that again:

I don't know what TW you've been reading, but I think there's ample proof in this thread alone that ohro is not merely queen of the mods, but overall probably the finest poster around .

Other than me, that is.

Whereas you, mon ami, continue to suck the proverbial tailpipe of respectability.

As for Mr. TW's issues, I can't say that anyone's moderating has personally affected me, at least not that I've noticed. I'd say that's indicative of good work.

Whatever doesn't kill you can only get you higher

power2charm
(stardust savant)
10/20/04 02:08 PM
This is a trick question, EJ: Do you like me? [re: EJSunday]  

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What are the duties of the moderators?


Glad you asked, EJ. You and the others were appointed after Adam decided he could not handle looking for and removing nakey pics posted by CLAUDE and others during periods where mash-ups and real life took him away from the boards.

You are here to remove pornography - that's it! For our purposes, pornography are any pictures that include muff or wiener. Boobies are okay.

You are not our Socialist Architect. We don't need you to promote interaction amongst us or adjudicate our squabbles.

You may recommend Adam or Evan ban somebody if they have posted death threats or behaved in a persistently malicious way towards individual posters or against the boards in general. Being a clueless oaf with nothing interesting to say is not grounds for banning.

In spite of your perception of Adam's admonition to continue posting as you otherwise would, you do *not* have that right anymore in the arena of posting your negative opinions of posters over which you moderate. It is oppressive for members to be told by moderators who have the power to delete their posts or restrict their access to the boards that they aren't to the mods' liking. With power comes responsibility, SuperEuro.

You banned ddz74 temporarily because you received threats from posters that you like that they would leave if dogz, whom you have stated you do *not* like, was not banned.

So you banned who you didn't like to keep on board those you do. That is Hall of Shame Moderating right there: I award the Blue Ribbon Prize to the TW Mods for letting the inmates run the prison.

I'm gonna put it in a dictum for you: DON'T BAN POSTERS JUST BECAUSE YOU OR OTHERS DON'T LIKE THEM.

In the future refer all complaints upwards to Evan where they will be promptly ignored.

Sysiyo, henceforth kindly save all my Artistes threads and all the threads in that forum I've posted to.

Pablo's advice for dealing with mis-filed threads is discrete and MODERATE. I knew I liked Pablo for some reason.

"Once in Germany someone said 'nein'!" ~ Jeff Tweedy


pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
10/20/04 02:09 PM
Re: All The Modmen [re: EJSunday]  

In all seriousness I think the moderators do a good job, I did have issues around the DD74 affair with Sysiyo, which I resolved in Pm's mainly as I have tried not to get into arguments on the board in recent times as it just belittles the board and are better suited to PM's. Get into an argument on here and you can find it gets out of control very easy.

The one thing on the boards that do annoy me are when posters do post illicit material, sometimes it can take too long for these pictures to be deleted, of course what goes on in PM's we aren't privvy to, I would like to think these people are seriously warned that their conduct will not be tolerated.
Regarding DD74 it is good to see so many of his detractors, who were so vocal about him when he was being over prolific have now publicly stated how much he has improved and even adds thoughtful discussion to the boards. Stu, it is a shame you cannot at least admit that he has improved.

Regarding Tati Wi, I think I have seen her online once in the last year, with Adam spending a lot less time on the boards now, shouldn't she be replaced or at least another moderator taken onboard?

Now, just let me finish

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
10/20/04 02:47 PM
This is a simple question: What are you on about? [re: power2charm]  

I am not quite sure if you are serious and I even less understand where your hard feelings towards me come from.

Anyway,

In reply to:

We don't need you to promote interaction amongst us or adjudicate our squabbles.


Where have I done that and where have I claimed to be doing that?

In reply to:

Being a clueless oaf with nothing interesting to say is not grounds for banning.


My words, more or less, in all the discussion about dd74. Openly here and privately in PMs with other TWers and moderators. And as long as I have been here noone was banned for posting rubbish, as far as I know.

In reply to:

you do *not* have that right anymore in the arena of posting your negative opinions of posters over which you moderate.


I don't see this as moderating 'over' people.

In reply to:

It is oppressive for members to be told by moderators who have the power to delete their posts or restrict their access to the boards that they aren't to the mods' liking.


I have never threatened to ban anybody or deleted anybodies post (apart from doubled posts that is). Where do you get that idea from?

In reply to:

With power comes responsibility


That's exactly what I try to exercise and that is exactly why this dd74 thing took so long to make a decision.

In reply to:

You banned ddz74 temporarily because you received threats from posters that you like that they would leave if dogz, whom you have stated you do *not* like, was not banned.


Interesting. How would you know? I got zero numbers of posts like that. I got loads of posts about dd74 but nil included anything like that. Furthermore I did not ban dd74 as the decision was made by more people than just me.

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So you banned who you didn't like to keep on board those you do.


Even if I didn't 'like' dd74 not liking him wasn't the reason for banning and would never have been accepted by the Oz-US-mods anyway. See the reasons for banning in the relevant threads.

In reply to:

DON'T BAN POSTERS JUST BECAUSE YOU OR OTHERS DON'T LIKE THEM.


Noone has done that and it is quite irritating to see you coming up with all those false allegations.

Wouldn't have expected that. The more not from you.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
10/20/04 03:13 PM
Re: This is a trick question, EJ: Do you like me? [re: power2charm]  

A lot of time would be saved if you actually read the threads to which you're referring to, p2c. But here we go once again:

In reply to:

You banned ddz74 temporarily because you received threats from posters that you like that they would leave if dogz, whom you have stated you do *not* like, was not banned.


No, as I said before, we banned him temporarily because that was the rule which Evan had set for us.

In reply to:

Sysiyo, henceforth kindly save all my Artistes threads and all the threads in that forum I've posted to.


Are they valuable material that really needs to be saved? For this issue (as well as other things you have said about the Artiste forum and the auto-expiry system), please refer to the Artiste FAQ before making false accusations.

As a final word, if you are not satisfied with the way I have carried out my duties, feel free to contact Adam about the matter. If he wishes me to step down from my position as a mod, I shall gladly do it.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

Wraith2
(stardust savant)
10/20/04 03:21 PM
You're the guy gettin' his Jimmies whacked [re: hangontoyourself]  



In reply to:

It's only OhRomana who I dislike.


Step, motherfucker, I dare you.

We're all presidents, we're all congressmen, we're all cops


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