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Monkeyboy
(stardust savant)
10/21/04 01:12 PM
Re: The Euro Mods are watching you new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

In any case, I did not say what I said in the function of a moderator, only as a poster.


Isn't that the problem, though? That we don't know the difference? I think it would be best for everyone - including the moderators - to have a separate screen name to distinguish the difference. Maybe even make it so that your "moderator" names have no way of being connected to your well-known screeen names. All I know is that if I were a moderator I would want such a thing. We all have too much history here to be seen as truly objective, even if we are.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
10/21/04 01:18 PM
Re: The Euro Mods are watching you new [re: Monkeyboy]  

If I'm saying something as a moderator, I won't insult anyone.

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twister
(acolyte)
10/21/04 01:49 PM
Not that I'm getting involved or nuthin' new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

I did not say what I said in the function of a moderator, only as a poster. [...] If I'm saying something as a moderator, I won't insult anyone.


Well, that's about the crux of it, isn't it? What about on this thread when - without provocation - you broke out the following phrases:

-I feel discouraged that ddz has returned. I enjoyed TW more during his absence than during the entire previous year. However, rules are rules and we had to let him back. [Claude is] far less annoying then ddz. What I'd really like to know is what ddz did while he was away? Stared at a black screen for days at end?

-Unfortunately we are bound by the rules [to let dd74 return] set for us by Evan. (Note derogatory use of "unfortunately").

-The more pissed we get him, the better reason we have to ban him again.

-[I, Sysiyo] would have banned diamondarse a year ago, if it wasn't for rules and TW's democratic tradition.

You'll see there, Sysiyo, you're being openly hostile while blatantly wearing your moderator's hat. Especially considering you're doing so to an individual who you have already banned once (albeit as a committee) then I think this clearly constitutes throwing your weight around and bullying. Doesn't it?

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
10/21/04 01:50 PM
Re: The Euro Mods are watching you new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

I think it would be best for everyone - including the moderators - to have a separate screen name to distinguish the difference.


Can I borrow one of yours then?

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In the madness that calls 'now'


Monkeyboy
(stardust savant)
10/21/04 01:53 PM
Re: The Euro Mods are watching you new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

If I'm saying something as a moderator, I won't insult anyone.


I understand where you're going with this but you also have to understand that in some people's eyes you are always saying something "as a moderator" because, well, you are one. I think p2c is bringing up some valid concerns. Not to say that he is absolutely right, but maybe a way to keep such suspicions from being created would be worthwhile for everyone involved.

I can understand your distinction between saying something "as a moderator" or not. As a purveyor of some of the most racist humor on the boards, I often have to draw a distinction between joke posts and serious ones. In the end, though, I've come to terms with the fact that a lot of people probably think I'm some right wing extemist because I know that there are even more people who "get it". As a moderator, though, you are supposed to be an impartial representative of the website and you don't have the liberty of simply hoping people "get it". Again, I'm not saying that you are wrong in posting the way you do, I just think that there should be no question as to what capacity you (and every other mod) is posting in. No matter how impartial you truly are, there will always be vast room for doubt so long as you are posting your personal opinions under the same name.

And though I do feel that the "EuroMods" have a tendency to come off as somewhat more anal, I have yet to have any significant problem with it. I do think that the banning of Ddgz was uncalled for but I'm not ambitious enough to look at the exact reasons why it happened. So as much as I would like to join p2c in a bitchtopia, I just can't.

But that doesn't mean that something can't be made more user friendly.

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Monkeyboy
(stardust savant)
10/21/04 01:55 PM
Re: The Euro Mods are watching you new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

Can I borrow one of yours then?


There is that one that I'm getting tired of. He's a fucker. But none of them could ever be seen as impartial. Though there are a couple that have yet to be fully "character developed."

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Monkeyboy
(stardust savant)
10/21/04 02:00 PM
"Democratic tradition" new [re: power2charm]  


Having read a few of the posts from all sides of the argument, do you think that p2c is bringing up a serious issue that should be addressed in a significant way?
Yes
No
I don't know

View the results for this poll


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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
10/21/04 02:01 PM
Re: Not that I'm getting involved or nuthin' new [re: twister]  

My initial thought was to give you a line-by-line explanation of what exactly I said, but thought better of it. I admit that those comments were very much borderline on my part, it is unclear if I'm talking in the function of a user or a mod, and I probably shouldn't have said the things I said. Especially as DDZ has behaved very well after his return.

But as noted before, we (the moderators) did follow the rules and let him back. If I (or we) had done like p2c claims I do, DDZ would have never been allowed back.

In any case I admit that my behaviour was incorrect for a moderator. I will try to moderate my own behaviour in future cases like this.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
10/21/04 02:24 PM
Re: "Democratic tradition" new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I voted No, obviously, as there never has been a "post what I like or I'll ban you" policy here. This is simply proven by the fact that noone has been banned for such a reason. False claims don't bring this to life.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Monkeyboy
(stardust savant)
10/21/04 02:28 PM
Re: "Democratic tradition" [re: EJSunday]  

I think I should have clarified that perhaps there is a bigger issue, in the abstract, that is brought up by the original post. Or maybe there isn't. I'm only getting involved because, since I really don't care, I feel that I can stay fairly objective in this.

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