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Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
12/23/04 04:46 PM
External picture linking  

I got this PM from EJSunday and it raises an important question.

From: EJSunday
Received: 12/23/04 01:14 PM

Hi Monkey,

what do you think, would it be tough to link less explicit pics?


I'm assuming that Mr. Sunday is referring to my recent post in which I provided a link to a series of pictures of a horrible train crash. I'm sure it doesn't help much that I also have a habit of linking to tubgirl. All in all, guilty as charged.

As I was about to PM back, if I am asked to edit my choice in pictures simply as a favor, I will certainly consider it. If, however, this is being asked of me in an official manner, I think that it is a silly request. This is not to say that Mr. Sunday is silly, we've had our differences but I have no problem with him -- not even now. He's just doing what he thinks is his job.

This is silly because not only has a precedent been set for such a thing, but there are no clear guidelines about what can and can't be linked to. We can't embed (is that the word?) pornographic or otherwise disgusting pictures and I think that's a good thing. If, however, a person is to link to something sick like I have and they give fair warning as I did ("I think [link]this[/link] is pretty sick") it enters into an area where the reader ulimately has to be responsible for clicking on the link or not. Especially when one can read that the address contains the word "rotten" should one care to check their explorer bar. And we all know what kind of filth is on that site.

I don't want anyone to mistake this as an attack against EJ. It isn't. But we need to figure out what the guidelines are for external linking right now before asking anyone to edit themselves. I don't want to enter into an era where anything can be deemed offensive or inappropriate after the fact. Until I get clear rules, I'll be posting a lot of these pictures. Sorry, mods, I'm determinned to prove a point here. Nothing personal, but we need to get this sorted out.

This is all in light of ddgz being banned for being "annoying" and what have you. I'm sick of this pansy-ass gray area bullshit. Make some rules -- and now. I'll follow them, that isn't the problem. The problem is that the rules seem to be getting made up as you go or as is convenient to you.

Merry Christmas.

I believe in the power of doubt.

ohramonaModerator
(stardust savant)
12/23/04 05:10 PM
Re: External picture linking new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

but there are no clear guidelines about what can and can't be linked to.



You're right about that, and we pretty much wing it.

In reply to:

If, however, a person is to link to something sick like I have and they give fair warning as I did ("I think [link]this[/link] is pretty sick") it enters into an area where the reader ulimately has to be responsible for clicking on the link or not.



I think this is a reasonable guideline; but the warnings should be less veiled than the example you give.



I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way.

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
12/23/04 06:05 PM
Re: External picture linking new [re: ohramona]  

In reply to:

You're right about that, and we pretty much wing it.

In reply to:

If, however, a person is to link to something sick like I have and they give fair warning as I did ("I think [link]this[/link] is pretty sick") it enters into an area where the reader ulimately has to be responsible for clicking on the link or not.


I think this is a reasonable guideline; but the warnings should be less veiled than the example you give.


Great, so let's make some clear rules about it and move on.

Or else there will have to be more of THIS!


You looked!

I believe in the power of doubt.

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
12/23/04 06:56 PM
External PM Posting new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I tend to think that common sense is a good guideline but then again common sense is hard to define as well. Still you have to admit, Monkey, that you posted something "shocking" to make your point in that other thread. And you did. If you hadn't been sure that your pic links to something "explicit" you wouldn't have linked it. So you knew what you were doing and shouldn't be crying for advise.

Defending it as being not explicit would have been fine by me, and that's why I didn't even think about deleting the post and sent you a pm instead. I was open to hearing your answer to my pm and didn't intend to make a big deal out of it. Why you did publicise my pm I don't know, and I do not see the bigger picture at all. And neither do you create a bigger picture by claiming that I did say anything in an official manner. I did send you a pm with a simple and informal text, a question actually. And why is it so often those who hit the hardest that start complaining when they feel a little pushed?

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
12/24/04 04:54 AM
I was worried about this new [re: EJSunday]  

Ok, let me reduce my "agrument", if you can call it that.

a) I agree that what I linked to was potentially offensive. But there is a lot of things that I say and do around here that is potentially offensive. Where are the lines?
b) I know that you are just trying to keep this place orderly and sanitary.
c) If we are going to ask people to not do this or that then we need to clearly define what it is that we are asking them not to do.
d) You say that I know what I did was wrong. Well, clearly I don't. Spell it out for me.
e) Am I being stubborn? Probably. The "big picture" is an argument against what ohro admitted to; you make the rules up as you go along. That is a crock of buggety shit. If there are decency rules, they should be clearly laid out for us to follow. If, however, you were just asking me not to link to these things just as a personal favor or whatever then fine, argumant closed and apologies delivered.

I guess the big point is that I'm really tired of seeing arbitrary decisions being made -- almost all after the fact. It's one thing to ask us to follow clearly stated rules, so clear that even a retard like Claude could figure them out. It's another if you are asking us to just use common sense. Decency is a very subjective thing.

As for me publishing a PM, it's not the first time. Anything that I think the general public might be interested in, I share. Believe me when I say that I would be thrilled to delete this thread if you were not acting in any official manner. If you were, though, I think it's only fair that it be open to a public debate. Evan always has/has pride that this board is democratic in nature, I'm just seeing that it is not just a fun catch phrase. I understand that you are probably feeling like I'm making you out to be the devil or something but that is far from the truth. If anything, I have always seen you as one of the more even-handed mods -- believe it if you want to, it's true. As such, I hope you understand what I'm trying to accomplish. If not then, well, I guess I'm a little bit disappointed.

I believe in the power of doubt.

twister
(acolyte)
01/04/05 08:59 PM
In the spirit of public debate new [re: Monkeyboy]  

External links are always just peachy. You're just providing someone with directions, like telling someone the least painful way to kill themselves. If people wish to follow your directions, that's their own problem, no?

Surely. And anyone who disagrees is some kind of poophead.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
01/04/05 09:24 PM
Re: In the spirit of public debate new [re: twister]  

In reply to:

Surely. And anyone who disagrees is some kind of poophead.


So long as they aren't a dick.

Wait, that's not dirty at all is it?

My avatar and signature define me as an individual.

blacktropic84
(electric tomato)
01/04/05 09:40 PM
Re: In the spirit of public debate new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Maybe not dirty, but definately disturbing.

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WildWind
(acolyte)
01/08/05 10:24 PM
Late to the party new [re: Monkeyboy]  

As much as I think that Monkeyboy can do no wrong, I'm just not OK with this:

In reply to:

you make the rules up as you go along. That is a crock of buggety shit. If there are decency rules, they should be clearly laid out for us to follow.


Fuck no! The *last* thing a forum like this needs is a list of crotchety rules that restrict the posters*. I read another board like that and while it's a good board for other reasons, it drives me nucking futs that they have this list of rules and if you violate them your post gets deleted and in some cases you get banned on the spot.

I think it's ideal here that the rules are flexible. It's not that they're making shit up as they go along, but that they're dealing with things on a case-by-case basis. In the event that something happens often enough to warrant it (e.g., posting porn) then a rule is put in place. But it would be foolish to try to come up with a list of "rules" for this self-governed board of beautiful chaos, if for no other reason then because once there are "rules," this crowd will try to push them as much as possible.

"Common sense," subjective though it may be, is the best way to govern a board like this. If someone crosses the line, deal with it and if necessary put it up for public debate.

For what it's worth, I don't think Monkeyboy has ever crossed the line. *I've* never clicked on any of Monkeyboy's icky stuff, 'cause I use my explorer bar.

WW

*'Cept the THBDB rule. I'm OK with that.

I'm not a fan of our current president, but on the other hand, I don't think he's a Demon. Perhaps a small, trident weilding Imp, but no Demon.


Dara
(acolyte)
01/09/05 11:49 AM
Re: Late to the party [re: WildWind]  

In reply to:

"Common sense," subjective though it may be, is the best way to govern a board like this.



I think common sense works best in an environment where there are a greater degree of shared cultural assumptions than is the case at TW. To take an example, American "common sense" might indicate that Beltene's "Can vaginal muscles overpower a cock?" thread overstepped some line, yet to someone from my background it was far from obvious what that line might be. The censorship of that thread was one of the very few occasions in my TW experience that made me want to put a fist through my computer screen, and still mystifies me to this day. I accept that it is the call of the moderator in question, and that she doesn't have to justify it on any grounds other than "it was my judgement", but I also accept that in the absence of guidelines any more meaningful than "common sense", people subjected to censorship are going to feel annoyed, or picked upon. So I suggest that at the very least there should be general guidelines (along the lines of "No physical threats") and maybe a list of banned words or visual depictions, so that consistency can be ensured and when someone is subjected to censorship, the moderator can say "It violates guideline 3A in my opinion".

In reply to:

if for no other reason then because once there are "rules," this crowd will try to push them as much as possible.



That's the most fun thing about rules though.

I'd also suggest than in the absence of rules, or rather guidelines, people will still push it, and when they come up against something which does get them censored, they may not even draw the correct information from it. They may just think the moderator has it in for them, or they're getting censored because they're not part of the in crowd. This is particularly crucial if we hope to attract newbies in decent numbers again.

Slan libh,

Dara




"Hey, you know what's funny? Following up someone else's joke with the exact same joke. And by "funny" I mean 'stupid'. And by "joke" I mean 'stupid'. And by "someone" I mean 'stupid'." - Twister


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