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Strawman
(acolyte)
10/29/05 02:43 PM
Re: Who can it be now? new [re: diamondogz74]  

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What is the point of being transparent, I genuinely do not know.


It's handy if one wants to rob a bank.



minge

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
10/29/05 02:46 PM
Without prejudice new [re: Marquis]  

I think it is the nature of the place really. The structure of the board enables people to multi-register very easily and there is no way that people can find out for certain who is real and who is an alter. Alter egos fall pretty much into three categories;

The clone; DeClaude, Dimmingdogz74, Fastchanges. These are easy to spot (with a keen eye in some cases) and are to parody the original poster in question.

The Character; The Pope, Vic Reeves, Sailor. These can give the board colour, the person behind them wants to make a joke or point and falls into the character of the well known person to do it. Obvious as alter egos and if well done very funny.

Then the third type, the agent provocateur. Usually out to cause trouble, to start fights, to speak the mind of the poster, without the consequences of saying it as themselves. This is the type of poster who can be confused with a newbie finding their way around board politics, or of someone who honestly just speaks their own mind without caring about the consequences. This is the group where people like Shelle, Jamie and Fastchanges can be erroneously labelled with. Because IP addresses are not shown next to the persons' name there is now way of showing that someone has more than one alter.

I do think that once a username has been around for long enought it is usually safe to say whether they are someone's alter or not. There is not enough time in the day to continually jump between personas regularly all day, so I would concur that Shelle and Fastchanges, (being the two newer members who have made a huge impression on the board lately) are real people.

I think it can be quite fun to see who are real and who aren't but I always try and give people the benefit of the doubt. However, when someone registers and immediatly hides their profile, I do automatically think alter-ego.

Also I don't really care if someone is real, or an alter, as long as it is entertaining.



Fatherless_Scum
(wild eyed peoploid)
10/29/05 03:30 PM
Re: Who can it be now? new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

What is the point of being transparent, I genuinely do not know.


i can clearly see you're opaque.

I am just a dreamer, but you are just a dream ...

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
10/29/05 04:18 PM
No really, they ARE all out to get me new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

Then the third type, the agent provocateur. Usually out to cause trouble, to start fights, to speak the mind of the poster, without the consequences of saying it as themselves. This is the type of poster who can be confused with a newbie finding their way around board politics, or of someone who honestly just speaks their own mind without caring about the consequences.


And heaven forbid that someone be able to speak their minds or, lordy lord, present an opinion that might not even be their own but still [gasp] makes people think!

This is again following that dumb assumption that there are dark forces out there just waiting to feast on the blood of the well-meaning townfolk of Teenage Wildlife. If this is actually the case, and trust me on this, the strong paranoia felt around here only feeds it. Alter Hunting has become a lot of people's favorite sport and I just don't see the point.

Let's take a couple examples:
Shelle, for all we know, actually is an alter (since nobody can prove they are "real") but has brought up some very interesting points both here and in other forums. But what does it matter to the intelligent person if 100% of her posts are posted purely for the purpose of starting an argument? If an argument ensues, that's because there is an issue to argue about. So be it. I say thank you, kind alter.

Now let's say that Jamie is a real person and that 100% of what he offers is absolutely genuine yet it contributes so little thought to the boards that it actually sucks meaning from other posts. Is this any better than my previous example? Why? Because you'd rather have an illiterate retard who is a "real person" drool all over the boards than have a "fake person" add something interesting, even if totally insincere?

Now let's assume that there are dark forces out to wreak havok on the boards. What would the motivation for this be? Money? World domination? I'd say that it's probably more like what we did at APFLAN: some pranksters out to cause a panic. Think about those days back at that dump. What motivated us? What made us continue to go back and enrage people? Well, I'll assume that you are smart enough to put the pieces together. If there is some evil plot to destroy this message board, the alter hunting and paranoia that you think will keep them at bay is in fact feeding their motivation to continue thier dark, sinister plot to EAT YOUR SOUL!!

So in the end I think that the whole alter hunting passtime is fine for some people I know who just like to keep track of who's who as one would keep track of batting records. But when it becomes a guiding force in how you navigate the boards and what is actually said by whom, you are engaging in behavior that could possibly filter out 1 or 2 "bad guys" but you have alienated many more people and missed out on countless enjoyable and interesting moments because, to put it in terms that clearly state where I stand on this, "they hate our freedom." I generally assume that everyone is "real" because unless we are going to start having picnics or fucking eachother all that really matters in a setting like this are the ideas offered, not the person offering them. And think about it: assuming that even Guilia and SaiIor are real - within one's ability to do so, that is.

In the rare case that someone is trying to "do bad," I think we are smart enough to figure out who is doing that in time. And once we have, it's terribly fun to sit back and watch those who aren't smart enough walk repeatedly into the trap.

Relax, have fun, enjoy the (sometimes bumpy) ride. You'll be had sometimes, but that's a part of the TW experience. After all, we aren't exactly curing cancer here.

"Iím more real than you will ever be." - JamieSim on his...real...ness?

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
10/29/05 04:27 PM
Re: No really, they ARE all out to get me new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Do you know what Monkeyboy, I think you have totally misread that last post. I was just stating why some people would confuse the writing style of people like Shelle with an alter ego. I was not on about a big conspiracy or anything. Sometimes you really do protest too much.

If you read my post I did actutally say that I don't care whether a poster is real or not as long as they're entertaining, and the last couple of weeks I have actually found TW quite entertaning (although a little slow on times).



Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
10/29/05 04:33 PM
Re: No really, they ARE all out to get me new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

I was just stating why some people would confuse the writing style of people like Shelle with an alter ego.


And I wasn't replying specifically to you but to anyone who engages in alter hunting.

In reply to:

I was not on about a big conspiracy or anything.


Not this time, at least.

In reply to:

Sometimes you really do protest too much.


It makes a difference which side of the argument you are on, I suppose.

In reply to:

If you read my post I did actutally say that I don't care whether a poster is real or not as long as they're entertaining


Alright, fair enough. Sorry I made it seem like I was targeting you. It was a sort of "open letter" to all alter hunters. But I already said that.

"Iím more real than you will ever be." - JamieSim on his...real...ness?

Shelle
(electric tomato)
10/29/05 04:37 PM
Re: No really, they ARE all out to get me new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

unless we are going to start having picnics or fucking eachother



Pass on the picnics, and one thing I've quickly come to the conclusion is that the number of genuinely fuckable guys here I could number on the fingers of one hand. Or maybe even on the fingers of one finger.

So yah, what you said, and let's just say my girlhood dreams of wild gangbangs with crazy Bowie fans will never be fulfilled with this cast of actors.

When this whole "You're an alter" thing started, I realy didn't understand what it meant. It's not like everyone here posts their home address and phone number anyway.

Isn't one of the points on the Internet supposed to be that anonymity and the separation from the physical allows us to say what we might normally be afraid to say, and go into those parts of our psyches we otherwise wouldn't be able to rectally probe?

That's got to be more interesting than meeting a bunch of misanthropes in a bar in London and going to see a crap tribute band. Unless you really have no social life or something.

I like dogs. You always know what a dog is thinking. It has four moods. Happy, sad, cross and concentrating. Also, dogs are faithful and they do not tell lies because they cannot talk.


Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
10/29/05 04:45 PM
Re: No really, they ARE all out to get me new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Fair enough to you too, I thought it was an actual reply to my post rather that being an open letter.



EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
10/31/05 05:59 AM
Re: Anarchy in the TW new [re: Shelle]  

In reply to:

Well, it's generally assumed that the mods have inside information.


Thing is: I haven't. And I said so fairly early in this discussion. If you don't believe me, fine, but repeating the error doesn't make it more correct.

In reply to:

NdP: That's why EJ's first guess was that Shelle was a Twister alter.


You may not like my posts but still you should read them before attacking. I said above why I used that tw abbreviation in that post.

A liitle more accuracy would be welcome in this discussion.

And on a more general note: There is no consensus on what is right and what is wrong here at TW. How could there be and why should there. And so there will never be an agreement on what has to be done or not in controversial situations or even on the idea what is controversial and what's not. We have been there before. It's the nature of the beast. And noone will change that. Neither way.

And finally thanks to everyone who dropped a line to cheer me up on the Nazi-insults that are being dished out here. I am quite easy on that. It's rather disappointing though, how simple some brains in the modern world still work when it comes to the subject.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


NomDePlume
(kook)
10/31/05 10:19 AM
It took you 3 days to come up with this shit? [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

You may not like my posts but still you should read them before attacking. I said above why I used that tw abbreviation in that post.


I did, and you did, but we both know you were lying after the event.

In reply to:

A liitle more accuracy would be welcome in this discussion.


A little more honesty would be welcome too. You never seem to explain yourself until after you've caused an uproar, and there's no consistency to your positions, as you admitted yourself.

You have no business being a mod any more. None.

""Looking for love, not sex" -- the tagline of many a troll who doesn't believe they are worthy or capable of sex in its own right, but god, the thought of carrying that sort of middling self-esteem all the way to 36 is disturbing."


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