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Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
11/03/05 05:20 PM
Re: It's the apostrophe new [re: ohramona]  

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there is a problem with the system


Which is ... ?


You read Starlite's post. Please don't play dumb.

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Actually, all I've said is I'm not gonna hang out where I can't be me.


That's fine, I have no problem with that. But a moderator whould be held to a higher standard. Again, read what Starlite wrote, read what I wrote. It's been covered. This isn't an argument where we are saying that you, ohro, should be held to this standard but that the title of moderator has certain inherent responsibilities that come with it.

Let me take this in a different direction, just to clarify. If I bozo a moderator there is nothing wrong with it. However, because a moderator needs to be able to monitor everyone, if a moderator bozos me it is irresponsible. While this isn't a direct lead-in to how a moderator should treat other posters, not in the context previously offered, hopefully it does serve to show how moderators do (or should) operate under slightly altered rules.

Want another example? Alright. Say I work customer service for Target. John Q. Jackass walks in and starts acting like an idiot. No matter how badly I want to, I can't tell him to "fuck off" because if I do it gives the impression that Target is a hostile environment. If I were to see this same guy out in the street I could say whatever I wanted and I would just be an asshole.

How about another example: in the Tom DeLay trial, a judge was replaced because of his contributions to Democratic causes - which I think was right to do. Now the judge who had him replaced is being replaced because of his contributions to Republicans - which I also think was the right thing. Regardless of whether or not each judge's political beliefs did or would have motivated their decisions, the point is that the appearance of impartiality was tainted and any ruling could have been questioned on those grounds.

It seems that you want to believe that the moderator job shouldn't have a bearing on what you say and vice-versa. The point is that is does, if only in our interpretation of it.

We deserve better.

ohramono
(wild eyed peoploid)
11/03/05 05:32 PM
Re: It's the apostrophe new [re: ohramona]  

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If I can't be me ... no one can!


Who the fuck wants to, you shriveled up old prune!

NEXT!

i pink therefore i am ...

KModerator
(thunder ocean)
11/03/05 06:23 PM
Re: I agree with MB new [re: NomDePlume]  

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leave the moderating to Adam. He's the only one that enjoys any popular support.


And the interesting this is, while he was the only mod, he got a lot of criticism. Then four other mods came along, and of those four I was the one getting most of the criticism (rightfully, I might add) while at the time EJ and Ohro were the popular ones. Apparently in my absence both EJ and Ohro are getting criticised while Adam has now inherited Evan's old mantle as the rightful Admin who wouldn't do anything wrong if he was here (but he isn't so we can't know for certain).

I'm not saying the points raised about the problems of the moderating system wouldn├Ąt be valid, but targeting the individual persons will do no good because mods have to make decisions that sometimes do not please everyone. Or they will say something that people will deem as being inappropriate for a mod. Because of those things anyone you might appoint as a mod will get a negative stamp on hir.

The current mods have made mistakes. People make mistakes, even those given a position of power. Personally from a quick glance around the forums I'd say EJ and Ohro have done a decent job in what they're supposed to do.

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EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
11/04/05 07:39 AM
Re: I agree with MB new [re: K]  

Just one more word from me: When Adam aked me if I was willing to do the mod job I answered that I surely was but only under the agreement that I do not have to change my style and habits here. I think I said something about myself like not being a moderate character or so. Adam's answer was that he knows that but that it is most important to not change when becoming a mod, I think what he meant was that people might be tempted to act like they think mods should and would move away from their normal behaviour which obviously was the reason why Adam (in debate with some otheres here) chose the current mods.

And from the first day on I stuck to that agreement. Easily. Not much mod work to do anyway, apart from the tough dd74 affair, and otherwise engaging in the communication here just like anybody else. And I still think that this was absolutely right.

I would support the critical views if I had ever used any alledged mod power (banning, deleting) to support my views or to win in a discussion - but that I have never done. All other claims are simple lies. If some here feel surpressed in an exchange with me only because there is the mod sign next to my username I understand that but do not think it is my fault. I do not believe in authority by titles - and I am surprised how many here do.

edit: Regardless of me being the target I find some of Mokeyboy's and Shelle's words in this thread the worst I have ever come across on this site. And still they claim moral superiority for themselves and a better style from me. Doesen't make much sense to me. So why eaxctly do people here get away with permanent Nazi insults while others are not allowed to post differing opinions without even using swear words? Ah, I forgot, the mod sign makes free speech less tolerabel than the swastika.

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And from a purely selfish point of view, I'd like EJSunday to have more time to explain the more important things in life to me, like how in God's name Werder Bremen managed to pick themselves up again after blowing a 3 goal lead and go on and win against Udinese.


Now you are indeed talking about the important things in live. I'll come back to that later.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'

Edited by EJSunday on 11/04/05 08:41 AM (server time).



Shelle
(electric tomato)
11/04/05 01:12 PM
Re: I agree with MB new [re: K]  

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Because of those things anyone you might appoint as a mod will get a negative stamp on hir.



All the more reason to change them periodically, I say. Stops them becoming unpopular institutions.

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The current mods have made mistakes



A mod who is prepared to admit that. Genuinely refreshing.

RespeK.

I like dogs. You always know what a dog is thinking. It has four moods. Happy, sad, cross and concentrating. Also, dogs are faithful and they do not tell lies because they cannot talk.


Shelle
(electric tomato)
11/04/05 01:28 PM
Just go already new [re: EJSunday]  

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only under the agreement that I do not have to change my style and habits here



So you're saying you were always this arrogant and unwilling to admit to making mistakes? Your friends don't seem to agree.

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there is the mod sign next to my username



If mods are supposed to be treated exactly the same as everyone else, and held to no higher standard, then why the sign? Why do we need to be told every time you make a post "This is a mod talking"?

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I find some of Mokeyboy's and Shelle's words in this thread the worst I have ever come across on this site



Oh you poor sensitive mite.

Get a grip. Regardless of what is said, it's all just words on a screen. If they sting, I'm glad to hear it. You deserved a jolt for the high handed way you attempted to initially dismiss all criticism without even bothering to answer it.

You're debating seriously now, at least, even if poorly and only after the Nazi insults started flying. So don't play the innocent victim here. If you talk down to people and treat them like untermench or children, don't be too surprised if they throw a few childish insults your way.

All hurt feelings and pride aside, don't you think it might be better for everyone, yourself included, if you simply stepped aside now and let someone else take on the burden you seem to find so hard to carry. There are good candidates willing to be held accountable to the higher standards that most people here demand of their mods.

Otherwise, this issue is just likely to run and run. It's not just the assholes like me who want you gone: it's also the reasonable people like Starlite and Dara. So why not just go back to being the normal arrogant asshole you say you were before, free of the burden? You can even tell yourself it's not your fault: I offer myself up as your scapegoat, the Wicked Witch of Seattle.

I like dogs. You always know what a dog is thinking. It has four moods. Happy, sad, cross and concentrating. Also, dogs are faithful and they do not tell lies because they cannot talk.


EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
11/04/05 03:30 PM
Re: Just go already new [re: Shelle]  

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If mods are supposed to be treated exactly the same as everyone else, and held to no higher standard, then why the sign? Why do we need to be told every time you make a post "This is a mod talking"?


I never had that feeling when I wasn't a mod. Only if the mod had tried to exercise alledged mod power on me I would have cared. That never happened. Not then and not later. Again: I find it quite strange that someone like yourself who permanently flexes the muscles is intimidated by a mod sign.

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let someone else take on the burden you seem to find so hard to carry.


I never said so and never thought so. I just tried to explain my behaviour and attitude towards the mod job. Don't worry, as long as Adam isn't telling me to leave it I won't. So you can go on raving for more time to come.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Starlite
(stardust savant)
11/04/05 03:52 PM
Re: I agree with MB new [re: K]  

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while at the time EJ and Ohro were the popular ones. Apparently in my absence both EJ and Ohro are getting criticised


I'd just like to add, again, that I'm not criticizing Ohro per se. She's made... what, 3 posts I felt uncomfortable with?

(Though while this debate has been going on, I think the number doubled.)

She's a good mod. She's a great poster, too. But the system of mods and posters being the same just isn't working if the posters refuse to see that being a mod carries responsibilities they must live up to.


Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
11/04/05 04:15 PM
Re: Just go already new [re: EJSunday]  

Have a kitten, Nazi fucktard:



We deserve better.

Strawman
(acolyte)
11/04/05 04:40 PM
Re: I agree with MB new [re: Starlite]  

Starlite, with all the personal issues regarding moderation within this thread, yours I understand the least -- For somebody who seldom uses the place, why on earth would a moderators performance, good or bad, bother you? Or Is what you construe as poor moderation the crux of why you prefer not to post at TW on a regular basis?

You talk of a moderators responsibilities -- I personally think that sporadic & negative contribution is highly irresponsible.

If you wish to make a stance against the moderation of this site, please do so by being less of a hypocrite.

minge


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