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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/23/05 11:53 AM
Re: Someone start humming the Star Spangled Banner new [re: Monkeyboy]  

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Anything you say or do can be deleted for any reason and without explaination. Is this not true?


Moderators have the power to delete at their own discretion so yes, the above statement is technically true even if it technically hasn't happened. But what you're saying is that it has happened. thomas and blacktropic raised some points in Sysiyo's defence, you admitted that you can feel Sysiyo's frustration but what I don't fully get is how the incident is construed into being some kind of norm of all moderator behaviour or even the norm of Sysiyo's behavoiur. In the scenario that Sysiyo has shakey reasoning for his deletion, I think it is an unfortunate action that could have been better handled.....rather than the work of moderators who think they are so far above regular users or who are 'fat arsed power hungry fucking yetis' or some such. So yeah, there will be deletions and sometimes they will be borderline or even poor decisions. It sounds like this one could have been better handled and you can of course bring that into discussion. But seriously how many deletions have occurred in - for instance - the last six months where people have not been given reasons? Perhaps you can find the sea of examples that makes this a 'microcosm'.

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There is no free speech at TW. Let's just have out with it and stop pretending.


There can only be a certain degree of free speech on a moderated forum of 15000 members. And you are welcome to draw conclusions on how much free speech is allowed in comparison to say, other comparable forums. Besides, I think WildWind answered this pretty clearly here several months ago.



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Beltene
(stardust savant)
05/23/05 01:03 PM
Re: Someone start humming the Star Spangled Banner new [re: Adam]  

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There can only be a certain degree of free speech on a moderated forum of 15000 members.



There are only 10 members really.

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Marquis
(acolyte)
05/23/05 02:38 PM
The Call of the Yeti new [re: th0mas]  

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but monkeyboy's (picture) posts often don't fall in any of the categories above. a normal poster would be able to see this and reduce his posts to those which make sense and contribute to the board in some way - even dogz found out how this works. this would make it possible to discuss topics in a serious or at least semi-serious way. which is very important for some section as the artist forum. there are many talented people in here and there could be more interesting discussions about their contributions if there was not always some idiot destroying everything by posting nonsense. with this i don't mean a special thread, but rather some general attitude which keeps the posters from being serious when communicating.


First and foremost, dogz hasn't learned anything. For awhile he showed a modicum of restraint, but as soon as the furor died down about his temporary ban and subsequent return, he returned to doing exactly what got him banned in the first place: posting nonsense on every thread he could shoehorn his way into, adding nothing more than an occasional "I agree" or a "I've never heard of this, what is it? (since I'm too lazy to look it up myself)"

What is the relevance of my feelings about dogz in this discussion? To point out that there are as many definitions of 'quality poster' as there are posters here. There are a lot of folks here who tolerate dogz, some who even like his pointless blathering. Similarly, while some people are put off by Monkeyboy's picture posts, others such as myself find them to be a generally welcome bit of humor.

In other words - and the pronouns here are used as loosely as possible: I'm sorry if our jokes are spoiling your serious discussion, and I hope that you are sorry that your serious discussion is ruining our jokes.

I mean look, let's be frank, Artiste is 60% teenage poetry, 30% fairy drawings, and 10% quality. Even with the good stuff, I have never once seen anything approaching intellectual discussion of art there - unless "Ooh, I like it!" qualifies.

It's a nice ideal, but it isn't everyone's, so I think we've all got to accept that TW isn't always going to be exactly what you want it to be, and that all you can do is post how you see fit. For the most part, I think the mods have upheld this point of view, though while I wouldn't yet call him a 'power hungry Yeti,' I do get the sense that Sysyio has been a bit...overeager lately.

It's not that I think deleting that particular picture was such a heinous crime, or even the joking deletion of Monkeyboy's post earlier in this thread. It's just that doing something like that with no justification given - and the only implied justification being "I don't like it" - sets a bad precedent.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/23/05 03:03 PM
The Call of the Yeti: "Yarr! Booty!" new [re: Marquis]  

I guess this is a good point to say that I apologise for my bad conduct. There isn't much that I could say in my defence. I must admit that in part my deletion of Monkeyboys' original post with the fat lady was becase he had posted it on my thread. I would have removed it from any thread in Artiste (or, at least any thread where it would have been inappropriate, which doesn't automatically cover anything in the forum). However the strenght of my reaction, and my subsequent refusal to comment on the subject was because I did take it personally.

I have never been fond of Monkeyboy. This will probably cement my reputation as a humourless twat, but I find 99% of his posts to be simply dull or stupid (there is that 1% which is brilliant, though). I also know that I'm not particularly good in arguing my point. Certainly, I'm not as talented as Monkeyboy and the rest of the bunch who come to TW mostly for amusement. So, instead of stating why I made the original deletion, I decided to just shut my mouth for the fear that if I should bring up the reasons the result would be an argument with Monkeyboy that I knew I'd lose. Of course, my poor attempts of humour later on didn't help.

So, for what it's worth, I am sorry. I will do my best things like this won't happen again.

And the picture was (a) poor taste, (b) inappropriate, (c) borderline pornographic and (d) reminded me eeriely of my mother.

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th0mas
(acolyte)
05/23/05 03:35 PM
Re: The Call of the Yeti new [re: Marquis]  

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I mean look, let's be frank, Artiste is 60% teenage poetry, 30% fairy drawings, and 10% quality. Even with the good stuff, I have never once seen anything approaching intellectual discussion of art there - unless "Ooh, I like it!" qualifies.


probably no intellectual discussion but at least there were several case of constructive discussions. by using the word "nonsense" i mean something which does not make sense. since i am not a native speaker i might used the wrong expression.
posting an opinion and perhaps the reason why one got this opinion would be a contribution. also it would give the artist the opportunity to defend his work or to agree with the critics. but posting a fat woman does express nothing but not to give a shit about others contributions - towards everyone else who took part (would have taken part) in the thread. which is already the difference to some other posters habits to just declare their agreement, which of course does not improve the debate but on the other hand does not lower it to a worthless-to-follow level.

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In other words - and the pronouns here are used as loosely as possible: I'm sorry if our jokes are spoiling your serious discussion, and I hope that you are sorry that your serious discussion is ruining our jokes.


just take a look at the discussion between Dara and Strawman in the Global Warming thread. it is not completly serious but on the other hand there are arguments deliver. then take a look at the fat woman. do you spot the difference?

on the whole deletion issue i just agree to adam - it was not the wisest decision but this was just one case and even that not completly without a reason.

as long as nothing expressing any opinion other than a general dislike of an exchange of thoughts was erased i don't feel like the board being in danger of becoming too moderated.

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Beltene
(stardust savant)
05/23/05 04:17 PM
Re: The Call of the Yeti new [re: th0mas]  

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then take a look at the fat woman. do you spot the difference?



Yes, definately. The party woman piccie's funnier.


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Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
05/23/05 04:53 PM
Re: The Call of the Yeti new [re: th0mas]  

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but posting a fat woman does express nothing but not to give a shit about others contributions


So are we required to give a shit, then? Maybe that's the crime. Yes! That must be it!

Ladies and gentlemen of TW, I have an announcement that might answer the question at hand:

If you do not give a shit about this message board and the people on it, your contributions will be seen as unwanted and open to deletion for any reason and at any time. If you have a life outside of TW, fairies, gothic make up, and David Bowie don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

That is all.


Much ado about Sysio.

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
05/23/05 05:09 PM
Apology very accepted new [re: Sysiyo]  

Though I think we might be dealing with a more theoretical discussion now about what is and isn't appropriate. I plan on continuing the bigger argument, should there be one, because it is an issue that I'm obviously passsionate about. But keep in mind that it isn't about you now that you've apologized. Or if it is, it will be in the more theoretical sense. In other words. I understand, accept, and hope you will consider the grudge dropped on my part.

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I have never been fond of Monkeyboy. This will probably cement my reputation as a humourless twat, but I find 99% of his posts to be simply dull or stupid (there is that 1% which is brilliant, though).


As I've said before, I fully understand that my humor is sort of hit and miss with some people. I don't take it personally at all. I think our feelings for eachother are mutual, but I have no reason to be permanently hostile towards you, some people just don't get along for any number of reasons -- I think that feeling is mutual as well.

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I also know that I'm not particularly good in arguing my point. Certainly, I'm not as talented as Monkeyboy and the rest of the bunch who come to TW mostly for amusement.


Well, when that's 80% of your material....

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So, instead of stating why I made the original deletion, I decided to just shut my mouth for the fear that if I should bring up the reasons the result would be an argument with Monkeyboy that I knew I'd lose.


In the future just send me a PM before I have a chance to get the hammer out. You might want to remind me that I asked you to do this and that you would appreciate if I didn't post your message on the boards.

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Of course, my poor attempts of humour later on didn't help.


Hit and miss humor is a bitch, take it from me.

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So, for what it's worth, I am sorry. I will do my best things like this won't happen again.


Again, accepted and thank you.

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(d) reminded me eeriely of my mother.


I knew it.

Much ado about Sysio.

CharlieManson
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/23/05 05:12 PM
Re: The Call of the Yeti [re: Monkeyboy]  

Monkeyboy, I just had this deleted too.



I'll slash them cold, I'll kill them dead
I'll break them gooks, I'll crack their heads
I'll slice them till they're running red
But now I've got the running gun blues


SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/23/05 05:17 PM
Re: The Call of the Yeti [re: CharlieManson]  

You didn't happen to read the disclaimer on the thread, did you, Charlie?

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