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eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/28/05 12:36 PM
The Revolutionary Post  

I'd like to begin this post by quoting White Prism. (I just lost 50% of my readers right there, didn't I? )


In reply to:

The Mods these days have admitted themselves that they're lazy and bureaucratic and won't do shit to improve the boards [...] While it is tempting to attack the posters whose quality of posts are sub-par, it is in fact far better to harangue the *moderators* who permit their brand of vacuous chit-chat to continue



Isn't White Prism, directly or indirectly, implying that there needs to be a re-election of moderators here on TW? A democratic election this time, since the first election was anything but democratic.

Sure, Evan pays for this site, but he never posts. Hasn't made a post in like five years, and probably won't ever post here again. He's the owner of this site only in theory. So, who, then, "owns" the TW Conversation Piece in practice? Its members, surely. The people who still come here. By all logic, they should be the ones that get to decicde who will moderate this place for them. The election of moderators should be a democratic process. In other words: let's vote.

Many TWers have already criticized the current moderators for a variety of reasons. I'm not saying I personally think Adam, ohramona, Tati, EJ and Sysiyo have been bad, but they've all been criticized by the people, and, frankly, I see no other option than to bring democracy to TW. If Evan was still visiting and taking part in this MB, the situation would be different. But since the owner is gone, we're all equals here, I'm sad to say. Of course, since Adam was given his role by Evan himself, he should remain some kind of boss, but I think that, in the name of democracy, the moderators should be elected through democratic elections. Yes, I over-use the word democracy in this post, but, on the other hand, can a word like democracy ever be over-used? Is it not the word of the day, these days?

Anyway, I think there are many good potential moderators out there, but that's not the main point. The main point is that, if we elect our own moderators, we can't really complain about them, because they were elected by us. So, naturally, there should be re-accuring elections. Perhaps a new election every year. Also, I'm sure most, if not all, of the current moderators are loved and appreciated by many members of this board, so there's a big chance they will be re-elected.

Here's a list of people I could see myself voting for:

* Pablo Picasso
* ziggfried
* Monkeyboy
* Beltene
* Marquis
* Rabbitfighter
* Dogz

Yes, I am serious. I think we are to gain by putting more "rebellious", wicked elements, or perhaps I should say individuals, in power. I think Adam's thinking, when electing his original moderators all those years ago, was a little...conservative and naive. Not stupid, not wrong. But he went with some "obvious" choices. He was playing it safe. Or, he thought he was. But what does the typical mass murderer look like? The answer is he doesn't look like the typical mass murderer. In theory, the list of moderators Adam had in mind was too good. It was too good to be true. These people were too good to be true. Now, in theory, Marquis strikes us all as a terrible choice for moderator. But in practice? I'd say not so terrible. At least that's my guess/hope/fear.

So, now, tell me this has been discussed before. I mean, I sincerely hope it has.




GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.


Beltene
(stardust savant)
08/28/05 01:16 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

I was thinking of making myself an administrator secretly but then I figured that power will corrupt me and I'll lose that fresh and fruity attitude that I pride myself for.

Share Zi Love

White Prism
(cracked actor)
08/28/05 01:59 PM
Modswap new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

Isn't White Prism, directly or indirectly, implying that there needs to be a re-election of moderators here on TW?


I was implying, first and foremost, that we needed a greater presence of the existing moderators, simply to answer routine questions and relocate threads, etc.; a job that even an overgrown primate could perform correctly. The absence of the mods has been felt harshly, particularly in the last few days, in situations where we needed an impartial voice of reason to curb the excesses of certain posters.

My attempts at engaging in a fair and sensible dialogue with the existing moderators have been ineffectual. They still visit the site regularly, they post, but they do not attempt a serious answer to important queries, nor explain actions for which they are accountable. The only response I received to my query over why they deleted certain pictures was a salvo of terse, cruel sniping from EJ Sunday, from whom I had come to expect much more.

In short, if (as all indications show) the Mods are not here, or they are unwilling to moderate, THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER ACCEPTED THE INVITATION IN THE FIRST PLACE! They need to be replaced by people who actually want the job not simply for the position of privilege, but because they can comprehend how a message board operates and respond admirably to a position of responsibility. And, of course, they should visit the site often.

In reply to:

Also, I'm sure most, if not all, of the current moderators are loved and appreciated by many members of this board, so there's a big chance they will be re-elected.


Indeed, that would be a fair test. Of the existing Mods, I say keep Adam and Ohro. Despite occasional absences by each, Adam is popular and has shown a willingness to explain his actions in past, while Ohro proved her qualities for being the only Mod ready to impound Dogz for his erratic behaviour prior to his first ban. I firmly believe ohro's intervention was responsible for the cessation of Dogz' quintuple posting and his sudden miraculous ability to understand the workings of the apostrophe. (A fine CV if ever there was one.)

Of the other posters eraserhead has listed, Ziggfried visits on a daily basis, even though most of his posts are confined to Quotes. I understand he still reads the boards, and I'm sure many see him as a popular, level-headed individual who would only intervene when necessary due to his qualities of even-handedness and impartiality.

Marquis, also, is on-site most days, and has displayed commendable perseverance with those members who have shown, shall we say, 'posting difficulties'. He has been here many years and understands the community, and has demonstrated exactly the kind of hands-on approach in nurturing newbies that would allow fewer confrontations between the more established posters on the board and newer members. Despite being more vocal in opposition than most, I do not believe this corresponds to being more vigorous or impetuous in action; on the contrary, Marquis is a pillar of wisdom and prudence.

Monkeyboy and Rabbitfighter would also be good choices.

I'm sure you appreciate that I couldn't possibly stand because of my lengthy absences.

But thank you, eraserhead, for raising this topic for discussion. I think the idea of democratically elected mods has been mentioned in passing once before, but it hasn't been given the attention it deserves. It's good to know that some of the more sane-minded posters of the site are beginning to question the competency of those in charge in the wake of my unfortunate tussles with their elitism.


Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Id like to smash every tooth in your head


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/28/05 02:18 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

Out of curiosity, when was the last time Tati posted anything?


London Bye Ta-Ta...

FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/28/05 02:28 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

07/17/04 07:40 AM

Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/28/05 03:02 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: FastChanges]  

In reply to:

07/17/04 07:40 AM


In that case unless the said moderator is ill/unwell? that is no way to behave, a moderator that hasn't even posted one post since 07/17/04 07:40 AM doesn't deserve the position IMO.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Claude
(big brother)
08/28/05 03:04 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

I could be the perfect moderator!

----------------------
Claude

schizophrenic
(stardust savant)
08/28/05 03:52 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Claude]  

In reply to:

I could be the perfect moderator!


Let's see, how do I respond in terms he'll understand...



Imagine the above be-(*BOOM*)

Persilot
(stardust savant)
08/28/05 06:27 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

The only moderators worth having should be those that seize power for themselves. Sod all this democracy rubbish.

"I swear I saw your face change, it didn't seem quite right."

Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/28/05 06:29 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Persilot]  

Power to the posters!


Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


Tin
(stardust savant)
08/29/05 03:48 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

All righty, I am in agreement that our current mods either need to step up or new mods should be put in place.

I currently visit another mb with just one mod and she not only previews all posts before they appear, but she also sniffs out trolls/alters and prevents them from clogging up the works. It's a tad inconvenient since posts don't appear immediately. But it's not really a problem because you know what you're reading is a real post, not full of pictures or dribble, authored by a real person not and alter-ego.

I'd like to see our mods take a more proactive role like this. I kind of thought that's what they were here for anyway. If we had a bit more *gasp* policing of the boards we would likely lure old and new posters of substance back. Not to mention making this place a bit more enjoyable again.

Thank you and good night.

It is my opinion and I am unanimous in this, because it is my opinion, which is, in fact, mine.

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
08/29/05 03:56 AM
Your Place Is A Mess new [re: Tin]  

In reply to:

you know what you're reading is a real post, not full of pictures or dribble, authored by a real person not and alter-ego



That rules out 98% of posts made here.

Thrush



FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/29/05 04:44 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Tin]  

How do you get rid of alters? Should members come with a certificate of authenticity?

Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/29/05 08:27 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: FastChanges]  

In reply to:

How do you get rid of alters?


There must be a way of knowing, for instance only allowing one IP address from each member might cut down some of the alters?


London Bye Ta-Ta...

FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/29/05 08:32 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

Not a good idea : not everyone has a fixed IP address. Mine changes every time I connect (I use Wanadoo).

Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/29/05 08:38 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: FastChanges]  

In reply to:

Not a good idea : not everyone has a fixed IP address. Mine changes every time I connect (I use Wanadoo).


Well it was a lousy idea although when I was banned my IP address was blocked, perhaps being on broadband alters this everytime as you mentioned with Wanndo?

I'm sure some of the more IT friendly members could figure out someway.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
08/29/05 08:53 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: FastChanges]  

You people are crazy. Getting rid off alters would most likely kill the last drips of humour left in TW. Let's just throw the Italian sodomite out and everyone will be happy.

"Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. Unless there is life there can be no murder."


FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/29/05 08:59 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: RabbitFighter]  

I bozoed FredPhelps and the Italian fairies yesterday and now I'm looking at a dead message board.

Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/29/05 09:11 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Ant, your IP couldn't have been banned otherwise you would not have been able to sign in to receive PMs. All that was done was your ID was not allowed to post. Regardnig alters, I have to agree with Rabbifighter, some of the more well formed alters are almost like real people and without them this could be a dull place. When someone creates an alter with its' own unique personality, it can be a work of art. Just imagine how this place has been brightened by the likes of Elsie the Cow, the Pope etc.

A while ago Monkeyboy wanted hard fast guidelines on what is and isn't acceptable here, and he was never given it. I don't for one minute feel we need the kind of moderator presence at for instance PinkFloyd.net but our moderators do need to be more vocal. For different reasons lately most of our moderators seem to have been absent. I have seen Tati post once since I have been here, Ohro is hardly ever around and Sysiyo seems to spend less time here, I see EJ quite a bit, but his mod presence is negligable. If a moderator feels they can no longer carry the duties out due to other things in their life, would it not be the right thing to do to step aside and let someone else take the strain, or at least recruit more moderators if the current ones would like to keep their status?

I have always found our moderators to be approachable and usually fair but if they aren't here to moderate and stop some of the mindless inanity then we need people who are.

I really think that chatting, when not on topic, should be controlled, either through public warnings, or by locking or deleting threads which have turned into something which would be better suited to PMs.

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/29/05 09:13 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: FastChanges]  

FastChanges a message board is what we make it. Let's make it good?

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/29/05 09:25 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

Alright, Pablo. Do you like this pic? I think it's FAB!!?



Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/29/05 09:45 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

Ant, your IP couldn't have been banned otherwise you would not have been able to sign in to receive PMs


Which means I was told a load of bull, not surprising really

In reply to:

Regardnig alters, I have to agree with Rabbifighter, some of the more well formed alters are almost like real people and without them this could be a dull place. When someone creates an alter with its' own unique personality, it can be a work of art. Just imagine how this place has been brightened by the likes of Elsie the Cow, the Pope etc.


Art yes I agree, fun yes also, but where do you draw the line with an alter you find amusing and one you despise?

Maybe allowing only one alter per member if they must have them.

In reply to:

A while ago Monkeyboy wanted hard fast guidelines on what is and isn't acceptable here, and he was never given it.


That was a a joke as I read it.

In reply to:

I have always found our moderators to be approachable and usually fair but if they aren't here to moderate and stop some of the mindless inanity then we need people who are.


I too have found EJ and Sys to be very friendly as mods, has it ever crossed your mind the mods are too busy having fun at being alters in this mad month of August





London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/29/05 09:53 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

No, Monkeyboy has, on two or three occasions brought up the subject, and sadly it has usually been taken as a joke, but I believe it was a subject he was very serious about. If there are no rules, how can someone know when they have broken them?

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
08/29/05 09:54 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

Remembering well the tough discussion with p2c a while ago there is one thing people here should decide first before they move on to discussiong persons: Do you want more moderating (as expressed in this thread) or less moderating (as in most of the discussions I was involved with before). Or maybe even the way it is now.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/29/05 09:57 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

No, Monkeyboy has, on two or three occasions brought up the subject, and sadly it has usually been taken as a joke


The boy who cried wolf.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/29/05 10:00 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

We all have the right to be serious or lighthearted depending on the post.




Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/29/05 10:07 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

We all have the right to be serious or lighthearted depending on the post.


We sure do, but on this occasion I think the word poster more appropriate.

I'm not playing devils advocate with him anymore, It has become tiresome and very repetitive.

I'm against bozoing period but boy have I been tempted lately.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Marquis
(acolyte)
08/29/05 11:28 AM
Hunkered in the Bunker new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

Now, in theory, Marquis strikes us all as a terrible choice for moderator. But in practice? I'd say not so terrible.


I can just see the crowds spread before the dais now, RabbitFighter and JarethsGirl proudly hoisting posterboards emblazoned with the ultimate campaign slogan:

MARQUIS 4 MOD
"Not So Terrible as You'd Think"

Seriously, though, for all my bitching, I've never had too much beef with the mods, and while I'm sure I would evince a more levelheaded, less shouty, and all-around Moderatorial style if I were conscripted into the Great Service, I'm in no hurry to give EJ and the Gang the bum's rush.

Literature is [the art] best suited to challenging absolutes of all kinds. Because it is in its origin the schismatic Other of the sacred (and authorless) text, so it is also the art most likely to fill our god-shaped holes

Beltene
(stardust savant)
08/29/05 11:57 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: EJSunday]  

I want less moderating done by an anonymous moderator. I'm sick and tired of the mob mentality promoted by this public moderating.

Moderating should be done by people who have no friends here because otherwise they will always be biased when making a decision on whose account to burn next. It would be much easier if people didn't know who the moderator is because they wouldn't know who to bug for stupid little things all the time.

Threads should be deleted IF AND ONLY IF they contain illegal stuff. Deleting a thread cuz it's hurtin' someone's feelings is stupid and futile. The Internet is not for fragile people!

Share Zi Love

Strawman
(acolyte)
08/29/05 12:32 PM
The Factual Post new [re: eraserhead]  

TW doesn't need moderating, it needs fresh users and/or the consistent use of former posters, which is an unlikelihood -- In the meantime where's the sense in the acquisition of moderators when there's fuck all to moderate?

You people have the brainpower of dead ants & as much imagination as a caravan site.



Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/29/05 12:37 PM
Re: The Factual Post new [re: Strawman]  

Anyone who came here saturday would have seen the 'CIao' thread as the hottest topic, hardly a great advert to join?

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/29/05 12:40 PM
Re: The Factual Post new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

You people have the brainpower of dead ants


Hang on! I'm still breathing


London Bye Ta-Ta...

eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/29/05 01:30 PM
Let's kick off Campaign 2005! new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

TW doesn't need moderating, it needs fresh users and/or the consistent use of former posters, which is an unlikelihood -- In the meantime where's the sense in the acquisition of moderators when there's fuck all to moderate


Every forum needs a moderator, or several moderators (depending on how big the forum is). If all forum posters are equal, the forum moderators need to be elected democratically. A forum that has a private owner who visits and posts on the forum on a regular basis is another thing. On such a forum, the owner should be the moderator/administrator, and he/she should of course be free to nominate anyone to be his official "helping hands", but when this owner, this Almighty Creator is gone forever, the forum needs to be transformed from a dictatorship to a democracy. Note that I don't think a dictatorship-forum is a bad forum, since it is only right that the person who pays for the forum calls the shots. But when the dictator leaves, the forum needs to go through a sort of re-birth, or re-design.

So it's not a question about whether or not there should be less or more moderating. Hopefully, there won't be any need for much moderating. That's not the point. The point is that whenever the need for moderating actions comes, that moderating ought be done by someone who has the people behind him/herself. The moderators should be elected through democratic procedure, that's all I'm saying.

Because, surely, we, the people, the voters, wouldn't vote for individuals whose ideals we don't share. We don't vote for individuals who have been absent from the boards for very long periods of time. This election of new moderators would be like any "real" election. There would be a good number of nominees, and these nominees would then need to publically declare what they stand for; what morals they hold, what they would (or wouldn't) do with their newly won power; how they will act as a moderator, what kind of actions they will take against, say, pornographic pictures, insults, chatting, etc.

Then it will be totally up to us to elect any sort of moderators of our choice. And if "your" moderator lets you down, if he/she doesn't satisfy you and your needs, you will simply find yourself a new love for the next election. Now, let the games begin!




GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.


Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/29/05 03:25 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

The boy who cried wolf.


You could be right, but I was serious.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/29/05 03:26 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I'm against bozoing period but boy have I been tempted lately.


Do it! You need more coaxing, I understand. Just give me time.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

carsten
(kook)
08/29/05 03:47 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: EJSunday]  

Do you want more moderating (as expressed in this thread) or less moderating (as in most of the discussions I was involved with before).


If at all, I want less moderating.
For sure I don't want what some people proposed here - that every post is read before it becomes public - I'd call that censorship.
But it's also not true that the internet is 'not for fragile people'.
Please read the netiquette if you think differently.

EJ, I think it's good that at least one of the mods raises an opinion
on this thread. But then I guess the others don't because this thread
seems to be just another joke.

Why don't you move it to coffee shop, and leave site feedback for
serious discussions?

/Carsten






White Prism
(cracked actor)
08/29/05 03:51 PM
Prism is open to donations for 'TW influence' new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

This election of new moderators would be like any "real" election. There would be a good number of nominees, and these nominees would then need to publicly declare what they stand for; what morals they hold, what they would (or wouldn't) do with their newly won power; how they will act as a moderator, what kind of actions they will take against, say, pornographic pictures, insults, chatting, etc.


Actually, I'm totally in favour of this idea. There's a really good chance this could fuck up TW beyond recognition, which if anything I'd far prefer to stagnation.

So, in theory, TW could elect a belligerent, trigger-happy despot who bans all Italians at the drop of a jockstrap? And we'd be stuck with them for a whole year? I'd vote for them.

edit:

In reply to:

(carsten) EJ, I think it's good that at least one of the mods raises an opinion
on this thread.


What opinion was that? He just asked a string of questions.

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Id like to smash every tooth in your head

Edited by white prism on 08/29/05 03:53 PM (server time).



Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/29/05 03:53 PM
Re: Prism is open to donations for 'TW influence' new [re: White Prism]  

Maybe be could just ask Fulghorn, fixxlevy and dr.cheese to pop over

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/29/05 03:56 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

You could be right, but I was serious.


Yes and so am I, very serious, If you mean what you say, what brought about this great sea change?

This from a poster who calls me an old faggoty queen

Put your words where your big mouth is.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/29/05 04:50 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

This from a poster who calls me an old faggoty queen


Get this right, you inept fist garage: you are a terrifying old queen.

In reply to:

If you mean what you say, what brought about this great sea change?


What? When did I change my opinion about anything? I've consistantly stated that if there are going to be rules by which we are moderated that the least we can do is state the rules. I've always hated you. I've always fought for free speech. Actually, my pure, Bush-like hatred for you has caused me to alter my position on free speech somewhat but other than that I think my positions stated in the Site Feedbag forum have remained fairly constant. Today isn't a good day to be fucking with me, Queen Bitch, G Dubs is less than 5 miles from my home as I type this. Unless you are a glutton for punishment, you're really better off ignoring me for at least 24 hours.

Oh, and please skin yourself and die. Thank you.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/29/05 05:03 PM
This is serious new [re: carsten]  

Carsten, do you praise EJ just because he comes from the same country as you? And do you label my serious post "just another joke" because I'm not German? I mean, you come here, to this thread, which contains many sound, interesting, thought-provoking ideas, expressed not only by myself, but by others as well, and yet the only "opinon" expressed in this thread that you choose to bring up to defend is the "opinion" of your fellow country man, Erich-Johann. And, as Prism said, he didn't even offer any real opinion.

Now, I love EJ as much as I love anyone on this board, but I'm just saying that your behaviour, Carsten, confuses me. Because this is not just another joke. This was a serious proposal. It (this election thing I'm suggesting) would also be one of the funniest and most important events in the history of TW. It could produce probably the most entertaining series of threads since Twister made those knockout threads, which in the end declared power2charm "Mr TW". In other words, this election, and the many campaigns leading up to the election(s) would bring life back to TW. It would be both fun and important. A combination of business and pleasure.

Plus, I for one think it will be very interesting to see how the current mods (again, I love them all) will act when they loose their special colours (green, pink, or whatever their special colour was). What that will do to them; how they will react to suddenly becoming just another nobody again; how the other posters will treat them, now that they're mortal and not protected by their special colours and special privileges and immunity anymore. How will they lead their post-moderator lives? Will their participation on the boards increase or decrease? Will they commit suicide? Will they post porn? I'm serious.


In reply to:

[White Prism] So, in theory, TW could elect a belligerent, trigger-happy despot who bans all Italians at the drop of a jockstrap? And we'd be stuck with them for a whole year? I'd vote for them


Yes, Prism, this is what I'm talking about. Freedom. Real freedom. This will be the land of the free, home of the...slaves? It all depends on how we vote. If we wanna elect Hitler, we can do it. We shouldn't be afraid of democracy, like Carsten the Nazi is. Democracy is the only way to go. The sooner you all see this, the better.

edit: schizophrenic, I like your spirit.
second edit: It just hit me that SoulLoveChild would be an ideal moderator. Her and Starlite would be two of the best moderators we could ever have. It only remains to be seen if democracy will come to TW, if we allow it to come in, now that it is here, knocking on our door. Then, hopefully, SLC and Starlite will decide to run for office.


GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.

Edited by eraserhead on 08/29/05 05:17 PM (server time).



schizophrenic
(stardust savant)
08/29/05 05:04 PM
I wanna be elected. new [re: White Prism]  

Alright, time to throw my hat in the ring. I, schizophrenic, would like to be your new moderator. I'm dead serious.

Here's where I stand:

* Any thread that consists soley of chatter will be locked. No exceptions.
* Posters will only be banned if a majority agrees that they are contributing to the detriment of the site.
* I will hold monthly polls on how to improve the quality of the site, and if one idea gains enough popularity, we will put it to a vote (even if it's something I don't like).
* No porn. Sorry, guys.

Ways you know you can trust me:

* I still frequent the boards way more often than I should, and I feel equipped to handle the concerns of of TW citizens. You know I care about posting quality because I'm always complaining and threatening to leave (OK, maybe not so much that last part anymore).
* I don't have much of a dictatorial streak, though sometimes I get "wacky" (if you catch my drift).
* No, I won't explain what that means.

Other than that, though, I'll be exactly like the mods we have now.

...TO THE EXTREME!!!





Imagine the above be-(*BOOM*)

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/29/05 05:36 PM
Re: This is serious new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

Her and Starlite


I like Starlite. I do. But she's a little bit too reactionary to be a mod.

Not that I think I'd ever be elected, but I don't want anyone thinking that I would be a good choice, either. I'll run, I guess. But I'll also make it perfectly clear that I will be one biased motherfucker. I will ban and delete without hesitation, just because I could.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Hannibal_Lecter
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/29/05 05:37 PM
I wanna be eaten alive! new [re: schizophrenic]  

I, Hannibal, would like to be your new moderator. I'm, heh, dead serious.

True, true, my ideas may be a little unorthodox, but during my posting spree last year I garnered a small core cannibal fan base who stated how much they enjoyed my presence, and how much they'd like some small scale promotion of cannibalism to be integrated into the site itself.

In that spirit, I'd like the members of Teenage Wildlife to read my proposals with an open mind, viewing me as a kind of "alternative" candidate.

Here's where I stand:

* Instant locking of vegetarian/meat eater flame wars.
* No pornographic images, but images of hardcore group cannibal activity are permitted.
* A special cannibal forum will be opened as a shrine for the Bowie fan who likes to snack on another Bowie fan.
* I will track down and eat Claude in person, then post pictures.

Ways you know you can trust me:

* Yeah, well, this is where it gets a bit tricky, isn't it? Let's just say that while I may be tempted to savage pig-ignorant people I meet in the flesh, the internet is a perfectly safe place to interact.
* Hey, I've got more bikini shots of Mousey if you want 'em!


Honestly pianocraft,sometimes I think you've never met a real junkie;the things you say about Bowie in his cocaine era, are hilarious
~Cucumber

Lorenzo
(mortal with potential)
08/29/05 06:58 PM
Re: I wanna be elected. new [re: schizophrenic]  

I think that only the Great Posters can be elected!

------------------------
Lorenzo

Persilot
(stardust savant)
08/29/05 07:04 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

Why don't we all spin a bottle and let lady luck decide?

"First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is."

Claude
(big brother)
08/29/05 07:13 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

Your Total Posts 2434

----------------------
Claude

ohramono
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/29/05 08:10 PM
Revolutionize This Hagar! new [re: eraserhead]  

You just need to learn how to make a post and stop having sex with Mimi, you stupid swede! Fuck you and the viking ship you sailed in on! Hey I've got an idea! Let's have a Swedish party game! That's where one Swede goes into a box and the other Swede tries to guess which Swede is in it!

NEXT!

i pink therefore i am ...

SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
08/30/05 03:04 AM
acceptance and rejection new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

It just hit me that SoulLoveChild would be an ideal moderator. Her and Starlite would be two of the best moderators we could ever have. It only remains to be seen if democracy will come to TW, if we allow it to come in, now that it is here, knocking on our door. Then, hopefully, SLC and Starlite will decide to run for office.


eraserhead, I thank you for your support, your good taste and common sense on the board . I am humbly ecstatic by your proposal. But before you get too excited, I must let you know that I cannot put myself up for election in the near future, should the momentous occasion arise. Perhaps next year.

I won't be online a lot for the rest of the year, particularly Oct/Nov/Dec. I'm actually going through some major changes in life - SLH and I have resigned from our lodge in the snow and we are planning a move interstate. We haven't even found jobs yet, let alone somewhere to live, so have an awful lot on our plate before things settle down and I can get back into the daily routine here at my beloved TW.

However I will be around the next month or so, keeping an eye on proceedings. Keeping an eye on Adam. Keeping an eye on the activities of the other mods (I loved Tati but she was the wrong choice of mod from the start, haven't seen her virtually since her nomination as mod).

I would be nominating Zigbot up for moderator if she's keen. This may have something to do with the fact that she and I are doppelgangers living the same lives with the same ideals, ideas and passions on opposite sides of the planet. You can bet your last $ that 99.9% of everything she writes could have been written by me. (Except I don't dislike Try Some Buy Some THAT much )

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 03:39 AM
We're used to it, we're Bowie fans new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

In reply to:

This may have something to do with the fact that she and I are doppelgangers living the same lives with the same ideals, ideas and passions on opposite sides of the planet. You can bet your last $ that 99.9% of everything she writes could have been written by me.


So you're madly in love with me too?

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

White Prism
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 04:03 AM
Holding on for tomorrow new [re: schizophrenic]  

But seriously folks, I'd be interested in voting for someone who proposed the following, even if it means standing myself. Which, provided there's enough interest . . .

- The rescinding of all permanent bans: I believe permanent bans should be replaced with temporary one-month suspensions, of which a poster can have an indefinite number. Of course, these would still only be applied in extreme circumstances, such as Dogz Mark I, but will be enforced slightly more speedily. Additionally, all bans will be rescinded in time for the next election to enfranchise otherwise excluded voters.

- Locking chats: Threads that are kept alive by flooding by one or two posters where there is no good reason to do so will be locked. Excessive posting to a single thread or 'Claudeology', to use its ancient term, where it is not conducive to discussion will be given an initial warning and locked if the behaviour continues. Basically, it'll be the same rule that applies in any normal internet forum. However, I will grant Claude special dispensation to flood threads with Bowie pics in V&Q, cos it's the only thing he's good at.

- Renaming news threads appropriately: A minor thing, of course, but the mods haven't kept to making news thread titles self-explanatory. (e.g. 'Bet this was rubbish'.)

- What I wouldn't do: Deletion of the odd 'silly' off-topic post, the like of which Sysiyo has done, unless the person in question becomes a persistent offender.

Plus, I promise it would all be worth it just to see Claude's mortification if I'm elected.

Everything else = the same.

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Id like to smash every tooth in your head


Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 04:10 AM
Re: Holding on for tomorrow new [re: White Prism]  

WhitePrism, that is exactly what is needed, you would have my vote, it is he exessively chatty threads and threads which only seem to survive because one person alone keeps adding to them, that is what I find annoying.


How do you stand on pictures of genetalia (I don't mean physically stand of course, because that would be painful )?

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
08/30/05 04:12 AM
Re: We're used to it, we're Bowie fans new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

So you're madly in love with me too?


Of course, you sexy thing.

(Are we guilty of off topic chit chat now?)

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 04:18 AM
Re: We're used to it, we're Bowie fans new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

Of course not, we're veterans. We can get away with murder.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

White Prism
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 04:25 AM
His 'n' hers new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

How do you stand on pictures of genetalia?


I understand it's possible for someone to make a complaint to the provider of these forums for such a picture, even if TW itself isn't hosting it. I wouldn't like to drag Evan unnecessarily to the place every time such a complaint was raised, which is why I understand they've been deleted till now. I think it would be better if the image was edited behind an url link, adding a 'not work safe' warning, which should be an adequate enough notice for people viewing TW from someone else's computer, or who simply don't want to see it slapped in the middle of a thread.

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Id like to smash every tooth in your head


carsten
(kook)
08/30/05 05:44 AM
Re: This is serious new [re: eraserhead]  

Carsten, do you praise EJ just because he comes from the same country as you? And do you label my serious post "just another joke" because I'm not German?

This style of posting proves you're not serious.

What I see again and again here on the board when it comes to mods or banning someone is a lot of polemics and mobbing. That's not a discussion. If you think that democracy is about a self-proclaimed "majority" supressing the rest, then well-come to your brave new world. Makes you look like George Bush.

/Carsten




diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/30/05 07:31 AM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Get this right, you inept fist garage: you are a errifying old queen.


In reply to:

I've always hated you. I've always fought for free speech. Actually, my pure, Bush-like hatred for you has caused me to alter my position on free speech


In reply to:

Unless you are a glutton for punishment, you're really better off ignoring me for at least 24 hours.


In reply to:

Oh, and please skin yourself and die. Thank you.


Yep a great sea change indeed

I think your alters have more personality.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 07:49 AM
Old vets can do anything new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Of course not, we're veterans. We can get away with murder



Including pornography it seems. I think it just goes to show that the moderators either are never here or don't care.

Sorry mods, I like the lot of you but what do you actually do?.

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


Emil
(acolyte)
08/30/05 08:19 AM
go emil new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

In reply to:

[Zigbot] and I are doppelgangers living the same lives with the same ideals, ideas and passions on opposite sides of the planet. You can bet your last $ that 99.9% of everything she writes could have been written by me.


Thanks, this makes me feel a little bit less bad about constantly mixing up the two of you.

OK, about my running for mod.
Here's where I stand:
As a mod I would...
* Delete stupid posts. I won't make that more precise because I feel that moderating can never be an exact science.
* If too little porn is posted, I'll try to provide some myself.
* Stick all Claude's threads to the top of the forum.
* Lock threads with more than three contributors.

Ways you know you can trust me:
* Ask White Prism and p2c about my record as a moderator.
* No, I won't explain what that means.
* I think Strawie would write me a letter of recommendation, though, if I asked him.
* I'm a Swede. You can trust us! We make watches.
* No, wait, that's the Swiss. Sorry.
* But the Germans knew they could trust us during WWII.

I'm sorry I ate your fish!

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/30/05 08:42 AM
Re: go emil new [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

* If too little porn is posted, I'll try to provide some myself.


Provided you send Tubgirl to internet hell first? you have my vote.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
08/30/05 08:54 AM
Moderating With One Hand new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

Including pornography it seems. I think it just goes to show that the moderators either are never here or don't care.



Or have their hands full.

Thrush



AdamAdministrator
(cricket menace)
08/30/05 01:17 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: eraserhead]  

I will be leaving for overseas in one week from now.....so I don't actually have time for any of this. But some issues to consider:

1. Tati does not visit here whilst Sysiyo I believe has left for an undetermined period. There are arguably two positions available for additional moderators given the current system of four in total.

2. When I became administrator, Evan instructed me that I was to nominate the moderators myself rather than do so through public means. In private, I seeked the advice of three long term TWers and I am open to seeking the input of at least a small group of established users. I am not sure if I would go entirely against Evan's advice and elect moderators entirely through public vote.

3. If moderators are elected democratically/publically, how can we assure that users are not rigging the voting system - as what happened in twister's popularity contests?

4. If moderators are elected democratically/publically, then by rights we should also have terms in office.....like a period of one year, etc.

5. Who will be responsible for accurately moderating the elections? Could I come back in a month's time knowing that everything has been sorted and decided fairly? Possibly, we would need some 'election moderators' and a temporary forum set up for them to formulate the best means of running the elections.

6. In my experience, TW is an evolving beast in terms of posting styles, moderating styles, etc. The only people that would have a chance of understanding TW or the 'point' of certain posters might be long term users. Should we place the responsibility of electing new moderators in the hands of newbies for instance?

7. With points 3 and 6 in mind.....how would you feel about the moderators being elected ONLY by users that have been registered since say, 2000 or 2001?

The Last of the Disco Kings MP3 by Adam D Versus David B

http://www.bowiedownunder.com

eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/30/05 02:50 PM
wow new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

3. If moderators are elected democratically/publically, how can we assure that users are not rigging the voting system - as what happened in twister's popularity contests?


Very good point. I hadn't thought about this. Guess I was being a bit naive. Though, you are, yourself, offering a good solution to this problem, I think, by saying that,

a) "we would need some 'election moderators' and a temporary forum set up for them to formulate the best means of running the elections"

and

b) "moderators being elected ONLY by users that have been registered since say, 2000 or 2001"

Of course, as you say, there should be certain restrictions. Like there are in real elections in the real world. Like, you have to be a citizen of the country in order to be able to vote, and you must have lived in the country for x years. Also, you need to be of a certain age (18 here in Sweden). So, as you suggest, a similiar system could be used here. To be allowed to vote, you need to have been a member of the site (the board) for at least 4 years, and you need to be over 18 years of age (or 21 or whatever the voting age is in the US, where this election would be taking place, techinically speaking).


In reply to:

If moderators are elected democratically/publically, then by rights we should also have terms in office.....like a period of one year, etc.


Yes. I think I already suggested this a couple times above, in this thread. A period of one year sounds good to me. Also, of course, in the end it will be totally up to you to decide if these elections will take place, but I'm very thankful and glad that you took the time to read and respond to this thread. And, as I have said, I don't think EJ, Ramona and Sys have been bad moderators, my whole point was that, with all the mod controversy going on this year, perhaps the only solution would be to democratically elect our moderators. Though perhaps you're right in saying that only two positions need to be filled. The question is who's the most absent one - Sys or ohramona?

Another thing: if (and I say IF) there will be elections (and campaigns, etc), I think it's important to remember that only posters who want to "run for office" can be voted for.

I think there are a number of people who would do a good job moderating the elections, like Pablo, Strawman, Emil, poor soul, White Prism, Persilot, EJ, zigbot, Marquis, etc. The only problem is that I'd want these guys to be running for office as well. On the other hand, these are all trustworthy people, so I for one wouldn't be opposed to the idea that some of these would be both moderating the elections, and, at the same time, being a nominee themselves.
And I must say the idea of a temporary forum set up to formulate the best means of running the elections is a brilliant one. Though I guess the only one capable of creating and setting up such a forum is yourself, and perhaps such a project would be very time and energy-consuming for you. But I guess all this could wait till you get back from where ever it is that you're going. I'm just surprised, and happy, that you even considered the idea.




GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.


FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/30/05 03:13 PM
Let's not exaggerate new [re: eraserhead]  

You make it sound as hard as electing the president of the USA...

With less than 50 active people on this board, we can all PM our votes to Adam and it will take less than 15 minutes for him to find out the results.

If you put restrictions like having been a member for more than 4 years, then it's down to 10 people and it will be even quicker.

Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/30/05 03:19 PM
Re: Let's not exaggerate new [re: FastChanges]  

In reply to:

With less than 50 active people on this board, we can all PM our votes to Adam and it will take less than 15 minutes for him to find out the results.


A truly brilliant idea and very easy to do, Adam i'm sure would know the skullduggery of well known alters.

It's simply now a question of trust and I trust Adam 100% fair and square.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

White Prism
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 03:27 PM
In brief: new [re: eraserhead]  

I'm going to reply to all points except number one. I suppose it's up to EJ or Ohro whether they want to remain Mods for another year or whether they're gracious enough to stand for election like the rest of us, provided it goes ahead.

Point 2 re. Evan: Maybe you'd like to mention it to Evan, saying a few posters are interested in democratically elected moderators, and would he be willing to go along with that? That is, if you think he'd mind. I guess Evan should remain our God, someone powerful enough to call marshal law or veto the whole lot as he chooses.

Point 3 re. rigging: The last Mr/Miss TW competition had hardly any rigging after the first round because posters publicly stated who they voted for on the thread. If someone prefers their vote to remain anonymous they could simply state on the thread they've sent a PM to whoever's hosting the round, so that the figures tally up at the end. But in that instance, someone trustworthy would be need to host the round so that PM votes aren't fiddled. I'd prefer to keep PM voting to a minimum for this reason.

Point 4 re. term time: Open to debate of course, but I'd say one year is a good basis for that. What would be more difficult is working out how a decision is to be reached between mods once they're in power. How would they resolve conflicting policies? Anyhow, all of that is really post-election stuff.

Point 5 re. round hosting: Anyone bar the existing mods. Seriously, maybe eraserhead should do it since it was his idea. Provided he's not standing, that is. But I think eraserhead is a pretty 'neutral' guy. Those photos in the picture thread, he has an innocent face, don't you think?

Point 6 re. who elected?: I would guess that most voters would take that into consideration, that they'd want an established player who can appreciate the qualities of many different types of posting. Of course, everyone has their favourite posters, and I'd be loathed to hand over control to people who occasionally genuinely get upset by what's written here, that they might act in hot blood. On the other hand, I would be truly distraught if Claude was denied the right to stand. But yeah, as I say, I'm sure most people will consider that when voting.

Point 7 re. who votes?: Hmm, four years is a bit steep isnt it? I mean, my Crazy Diamond account was registered on 09/25/01 so technically I'd just qualify, but I would personally hesitate to put the barrier any higher than three years. Why four years anyway? To filter alter egos? Would Jesus.H. Christ be allowed to vote?

I think anyone who's put in charge of hosting the rounds perhaps should've been here that length of time, so that they can determine fairly accurately who is and who isn't an alter ego here. But besides that, I'm looking to give votes to people who have been here just two years.

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Id like to smash every tooth in your head

Edited by white prism on 08/30/05 03:56 PM (server time).



RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
08/30/05 03:44 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: Adam]  

The only thing I have to say is that four years is bullshit, mostly because it would leave me out of this election process and only handful of folks have a better grasp of this place than I do. I know it sounds smug but I graduated from Tom Wood's bootcamp which means I can sniff alter egos faster than Strawie can pinpoint the nearest bogus asylum seeker around. Therefore I'm superior to most of you common wankers.

"Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. Unless there is life there can be no murder."


FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/30/05 03:54 PM
Re: The Revolutionary Post new [re: RabbitFighter]  

I want to vote too! 6 months is more than enough to determine who's capable and who's not.

Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

White Prism
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 03:58 PM
I don't think so. new [re: FastChanges]  

But if I'm not mistaken, you thought that Shelle was an alter ego of power2charm, which was . . . unusual.

Really, I think you need to have been here a couple of years to grasp all the nuances at work. Emil would make a good impartial host, I think.

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Id like to smash every tooth in your head


blacktropic84
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 03:58 PM
Like being an over-conscious teen all over again new [re: White Prism]  

Since I plan on being here for quite a while, I think that I should have some say in the government. I can vote in the real world but not here?

I also just happen to think I would make a great moderator.

--------------
Ever Try Oral Sex With A Miniature
Rubberized Homo-Replica?


eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/30/05 04:05 PM
... new [re: RabbitFighter]  

I agree four years is an exaggeration. I wasn't really thinking when I said four years. I was basically just repeating what Adam said. Actually, Adam was saying 4-5 years (2000-2001). Now when I give it some thought, two years sounds much more reasonable.

Yeah, I guess I'm pretty neutral, but I have to say the very thought of being the overseer of the whole election thing (if we go through with it, that is) scares me. It's not what I was put on Earth to do. Didn't SoulLoveChild say she'll be around for another month before leaving? She could do it, since she can't run. Her and Emil, perhaps? Or, maybe I should just leave her alone. She probably has more important things to do. Like packing. Emil it is then.





GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.

Edited by eraserhead on 08/30/05 04:11 PM (server time).



Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 04:05 PM
Re: Like being an over-conscious teen all over aga new [re: blacktropic84]  

Maybe length of time a person has been here is not the only consideration, maybe participation should be put into the equation. Maybe limiting the vote to people who have posted over a certain amount of votes would be a fairer system, this would weed out the alter-egos who would post sparingly and would still enable a lot of the current regular voters a chance to have a say in how their board is run. If we went with a time limited voting system the majority of the current posters would have no say in the election or a chance to be elected.

Just a thought?

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


FastChanges
(crash course raver)
08/30/05 04:15 PM
Re: I don't think so. new [re: White Prism]  

In reply to:

But if I'm not mistaken, you thought that Shelle was an alter ego of power2charm, which was . . . unusual.


But that was only a few weeks after I registered. And there were veteran posters who thought the same for a while, so maybe it was not such a bad guess for a newbie.

Man said, "Now we will make God, and He will be unlike us."

AdamAdministrator
(cricket menace)
08/30/05 04:53 PM
Re: ... new [re: eraserhead]  

Yes, we could reduce it to one or two years.....or perhaps a certain number of posts (or a combination of the two).

I could register an account for which a second person would have access. People would submit votes to this account and the second person would help calculate and double check for error. As dogz said, I can weed out the alters fairly easily.

The Last of the Disco Kings MP3 by Adam D Versus David B

http://www.bowiedownunder.com

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 05:49 PM
The First Continental Congress new [re: Adam]  

I think it's important to first figure out just what a moderator does and does not do. Are they simply front-line guards that act on whatever existing orders are there? Or are they decision-makers who can delete and ban at will? My guess is somewhere in-between. But before we decide who the moderators are, I think we need to know what they are.

Also, if we had more moderators (but not necessarily more moderation), not only could the labor be shared but I think that it would be less of a big deal to consider the post as a temporary one. Nothing against any of the mods, but I think that new blood and new perspectives can always be a good thing.

Things should never be so set that they can't be constantly re-considered. Take, for example, the ebb and flow of ddgz supporters/detractors and of JamieSim's English proficiency.

Since I'm farting out random stuff anyways, why not simply let whoever is dumb enough to want to moderate have access to the moderator forum and figure out a way to try them out for a while. Maybe not have the full powers, but bring up this or that thread that they would do this or that to. If they seem to have good judgement and good ideas after some time, give them the job. There could be some hidden talent out there.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 05:52 PM
Re: In brief: new [re: White Prism]  

In reply to:

Would Jesus.H. Christ be allowed to vote?


I think He would make a great mod.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 05:53 PM
Re: In brief: new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I nominate Elsie.

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 05:56 PM
Re: Like being an over-conscious teen all over aga new [re: blacktropic84]  

Alright, how about a 4 year minimum with the proviso that veterans can sponsor "younger" posters? This would, of course, require the approval of another veteran. That's how they keep the black people out of country clubs while allowing newer members. It works, trust me.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 05:57 PM
Re: Like being an over-conscious teen all over aga new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

Any way to keep ddgz off of the voting list would be fully supported by Team Moqito. I'm not joking.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Persilot
(stardust savant)
08/30/05 07:06 PM
Re: Like being an over-conscious teen all over aga new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

people who have posted over a certain amount of votes would be a fairer system


Oh come on, quality over quantity.

"First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is."

Pablo-Picasso
(cracked actor)
08/30/05 07:35 PM
Re: Like being an over-conscious teen all over aga new [re: Persilot]  

Drat, I knew someone would pick me up over that

Dignity is valuable, but our lives are valuable too.


Marquis
(acolyte)
08/30/05 08:55 PM
Talking Points new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

Alright, now. It seems like applying for moderizzlehood is de rigeur at the moment, so before this whirlwind of insanity gets completely out of hand, I'd like to outline my own qualifications. Understand, this isn't exactly a bid for candidacy, more of something to fall back on as a reference should the need arise. And so, to soothe your troubled minds:

Respec', yo

For you, the common poster; for the position itself; for TW. This is what Our Man Marquis brings to the table. In all my harangues, I don't believe I've ever called for the heads of our current mods. Sure, I've disagreed or questioned, but I've also tried to make it clear that I respect their collective wisdom. I'm not out to run roughshod over the guidelines set up by Evan, Adam, and the rest of the Mod Squad - I'm out to clarify where clarity is needed, and to enforce where enforcement is needed.

Fear Thee Not, Ye Idiots

Now this, I suspect, is why eraserhead said that I would seem to be a terrible choice: I've had no shortage of arguments with any number of posters, and have been rather vocal on several occasions about banning That Certain Someone. The apt metaphor here, I think, is Armchair Quarterbacking.

See, from the safe confines of my couch, I wouldn't hesitate to put Peyton Manning back under center should he suffer a mild concussion, nor would I hesitate to start a promising rookie over, say, Rod Gardner. But the real coaches of these teams have other concerns to address - contracts, personalities, etc., etc. Control becomes a different animal altogether when one actually has some sort of power.

How does this apply? Well, you see, as a common Plebe Poster, I've got little recourse against actions like Dogz' overposting other than to harrass him at every turn and periodically plead with the powers that be to get rid of him. As a mod, though, with the power of banning at my fingertips, the decision becomes much more difficult. Better still, there are things I can do which are less severe than banning - threatening PMs, individual post deletion, thread locking - which I feel can serve to protect the integrity of the boards while still allowing plenty of leeway for the grammatically impaired to remain contributors.

Long story short: my first act as mod would not, as you might suspect, be to ban Dogz for all eternity. I would hope, rather, to use my newfound authority to get through his thick skull the notion of restraint. And, well, yeah, I'd probably delete a few "I Agree" posts for good measure.

Paying the Cost to Be the Boss

Simply put: I've put in my time here. Moreover, I've never stormed off in a huff and claimed that I was done with the place. Yes, I've had one or two prolonged periods of absence, but these were due to lack of internet, not getting fed up with the boards. Yes, there are plenty of absent posters I miss, but I'm not going to harp on about the good old days: I'm here to give TW a better present - and future!

Add this to the fact that my record of 17 Real-Life Meet-Ups is unlikely to be challenged anytime soon - or at least until you Londoners get it together - and I think you'll find that I truly am a man of the people.

Mo' Internet, Fewer Problems

In two days, I'm going to quit smoking. What does this mean for you? Well, not much. But for me, it means freeing up enough money to finally get some fuckin' internet up in this bitch (i.e. in my house). As a lazy stoner with a do-nothing job, I can promise you eternal vigilance.

What's my motherfuckin' name?

My name has been on the fingertips - and in the minds - of our Mods for some time, as evidenced by the Mod Forum threads devoted to adoring me.

Summation: Asskissing

If nothing else, this thread should serve to remind us all of the unimpeachable greatness of Adam. We come to him, all sturm and drang, with piles of grievances and unformed demands, and Adam gives us back a neat list of carefully thought-out concerns. Kudos! Accolades!

And equal props to our incumbent mods, too. I think it's no small achievement for EJ and Ohro to have become two of TWs most well-liked posters without making a habit out of feasting on newbies and other droolers. Even the much-maligned (and apparently absent?) Sysyio had his heart in the right place. And Tati? Well, she was hot, so that counts for something.

If elected to join this pantheon of genius (too much? ), I promise to approach the job with the full-bent of my seriousness, to weigh and consider, but also to take action, and above all to give careful consideration to each of my many constituents. Remember, guys, my office is always open.

Now: to sit back and hope that Dara doesn't decide to run.

Literature is [the art] best suited to challenging absolutes of all kinds. Because it is in its origin the schismatic Other of the sacred (and authorless) text, so it is also the art most likely to fill our god-shaped holes

SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
08/30/05 10:45 PM
record breaking new [re: Marquis]  

Marquis, hate to piss on your very fine post, but I think we Melbourne TWers beat your 17 people meetup record by a mile..... there were about 40 us just at the pre gig1 drinks, at least half of them were TW members!

The basic list
I've also met a couple of internationals like Wildwind and Gfried and Mike Harvey (yeah, I know he doesn't post here anymore).

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





Mxy
(electric tomato)
08/30/05 10:47 PM
Re: Talking Points new [re: Marquis]  

I'd like to be allowed to vote, just so I can vote for Winnie the Pooh. It's a little tradition of mine to vote for him in every election I can vote at.

Mxy's Bizarre Webcomic. Updated daily.

Marquis
(acolyte)
08/30/05 11:00 PM
Soul Purpose new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

Well, discounting the fact that I recognized a scant dozen TWers in your list, I think it's important to note that this here Mod-in-Waiting isn't just about mass gatherings at concerts.

No, I've supped pints with SoS in London, gone clubbin' with StrangeDrugs in Detroit, strolled the streets of North Beach with Glitterbot, sold a Leonard Cohen CD to decibel, scoffed at the hippies of Boulder with WildWind, and cruised the darkened avenues of Northern Mass with tom wood himself!

You see, I'm all about the people.

But seriously...that's a record I wouldn't really want to hold, so thanks

Literature is [the art] best suited to challenging absolutes of all kinds. Because it is in its origin the schismatic Other of the sacred (and authorless) text, so it is also the art most likely to fill our god-shaped holes

SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
08/30/05 11:45 PM
Soul Kind of Feeling new [re: Marquis]  

Ah Marquis, as a prospective moderator you need to look at the bigger picture. You recognise a scant dozen of reasonably current posters while you discount some of the very original members of this site. Just because they don't post here now - for reasons that many many long term posters have left - does not mean they are not valid members of the Teenage Wildlife phenomenon!

And you're right, classing me standing alongside silky_sally at gigs for two nights straight doesn't really cut the mustard, but hosting WildWind in my mountain home, attending toy fairs with Adam (we turned up on the wrong weekend, it was supposed to be a cd fair!), going to Wunda's wedding in NZ, drinking 96dbFreak and downunder2 under the table in Sydney after a play we all attended together, selling rare Bowie records to poorsoul (yes, I do know the gender, no, I'm not telling ) and cooking a special dinner for Gfried in my Melbourne pad last year does account for something, does it not?

This place is a great place for friendships. I hope to race you down a mountain on skis sometime
And as for not really wanting to hold the record... I must remind you that is was you who brought it up

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 11:48 PM
Yeah, fuck you all anyways! new [re: Marquis]  

And has anyone bothered to visit me? No! Not one fucking person has so much as lied about wanting to. Elvenlass and QueenDice live less than an hour away and have they even expressed the slightest interest in a meetup? Fuck no! QueenDice won't even add me to her myspace friend list and she has, like 6 million people on it who I know she's never met! It's not like I'm a stalker or anything. Alright, I think I may have included her in one or two "Who I'd Do" lists in the past. And, now that I think about it, I think she was probably about 16 at the time. But all that aside, I'm not any more terrifying than your average 28 year old college student who spends an inordinate amount of time online and works a job that would drive the average person insane from the sheer solitude. And I like kittens!

Is this what I get for being the pillar of morality and fine posting that I am here at Teenage Wildlife? It's not exactly like I'm a pain in the ass, either. Hell, I'm damn fun! Think of all the boozy times you could have with me. And by "you," I mean YOU reading this post right now. Can you think of anyone on Teenage Wildlife who would be more intriguing, more of an enigma, or at the very least more pathetic to visit? No, you can't. And fuck you if you can.

Well, you know what, Teenage Wildlife: I don't need you. It's not like I want to meat any of you faggots anyways. Now just leave me aloooone!!.....

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/30/05 11:50 PM
Re: Soul Kind of Feeling new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

Kiss my ass, all of you.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Beltene
(stardust savant)
08/31/05 00:01 AM
Re: Yeah, fuck you all anyways! new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I'd love to visit but I don't think I'll be able to resist the temptation of getting you super drunk and giving you a good spank against your free will.

Also, I don't think they'll let me enter the US of A with my heavy Eastern accent

Share Zi Love

blacktropic84
(cracked actor)
08/31/05 00:14 AM
Re: Yeah, fuck you all anyways! new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I am most likely going to LA in November, maybe we'll have to go for a few beers.

Then, after you are drunk, I will rape and rob you. Bitch.

--------------
Ever Try Oral Sex With A Miniature
Rubberized Homo-Replica?


SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
08/31/05 00:16 AM
I'm not afraid of Americans.... new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I've just never been to America. And you, dear Monkeyboy have never been to Australia. So stop your crying and look forward to that day when the power of TW will finally bring us together in the one room, drinking schnapps from the same bottle and doing whatever else takes our fancy

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/31/05 03:32 AM
Re: Yeah, fuck you all anyways! new [re: blacktropic84]  

In reply to:

Then, after you are drunk, I will rape and rob you. Bitch.


Awesome!

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Emil
(acolyte)
08/31/05 07:15 AM
Re: I don't think so. new [re: White Prism]  

It makes me quite flattered that I now have two nominations for election boss. Either that means that you trust me or that you don't want me running.

In reply to:

grasp all the nuances at work.


Me? OK, I did blow Shelle's cover but for grasping nuances I'm not sure whether I'm the man. Count votes I could, though, and for sifting out alters I would probably consult a board of advisors.

However, this is a bad idea because I don't believe in this mod election idea to start with.

I'm sorry I ate your fish!

SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
08/31/05 07:44 AM
Nerd Alert..... new [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

OK, I did blow Shelle's cover


Oops, I missed some thing here. Can someone please point me in the right direction?

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/31/05 07:57 AM
Re: I don't think so. new [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

However, this is a bad idea because I don't believe in this mod election idea to start with.


That's just because you're an old communist. I forgot that when I said you'd be the perfect election boss. Seriously, all is forgiven if you point us to that post in which you blew Shelle.




GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.


Marquis
(acolyte)
08/31/05 10:26 AM
You don't bring me Friendsters anymore new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

Monkeyboy


Well, I'm reasonably sure I sent a questing PM in your direction the last time I went to L.A. (the same trip where I met WildWind and Glitterbot and didn't meet - but got a voicemail from - Tin) but I believe you were still in your anonymous phase. You know, before the pictures.

You also never Friendstered me.

In reply to:

Seriously, all is forgiven if you point us to that post in which you blew Shelle


I think EJ deleted it. You know how he hates porn!

Literature is [the art] best suited to challenging absolutes of all kinds. Because it is in its origin the schismatic Other of the sacred (and authorless) text, so it is also the art most likely to fill our god-shaped holes

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/31/05 11:13 AM
Re: You don't bring me Friendsters anymore new [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

You also never Friendstered me.


Then perhaps dear Matthew you should look closer to home


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Beltene
(stardust savant)
08/31/05 12:40 PM
Re: Yeah, fuck you all anyways! new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

In reply to:
Then, after you are drunk, I will rape and rob you. Bitch.

Awesome!



So you allow boys to do that to you but not girls, eh? What does blacktropic have that I don't? Keep in mind I have a huge collection of strap-ons in my closet too.


Share Zi Love

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/31/05 01:47 PM
Re: You don't bring me Friendsters anymore new [re: Marquis]  

Yeah, there was that long period of reclusiveness where I thought that I was some sort of Howard Hughes figure. Without the money, that is. These days, I see myself more as Howard Jones.

In reply to:

You also never Friendstered me.


I thought I friendstered everyone who sent me their email address. I'll be happy to, but it's really all about Myspace.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/31/05 01:50 PM
Re: Yeah, fuck you all anyways! new [re: Beltene]  

It's not that, you're always welcome to rape me. I just have a tattoo of a clown on my ass and can't wait to see the inner turmoil unfold.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/31/05 02:10 PM
Re: You don't bring me Friendsters anymore new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

I thought I friendstered everyone who sent me their email address


If I gave you my email address would you friendstered me?


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
08/31/05 02:11 PM
Re: You don't bring me Friendsters anymore new [re: diamondogz74]  

No.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/31/05 02:34 PM
Re: You don't bring me Friendsters anymore new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

No.


Oh well at least I tried.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Emil
(acolyte)
09/01/05 03:46 AM
off topic new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

if you point us to that post in which you blew Shelle.


OK, by popular demand, here is the post in which I first made public my suspicion about Shelle - it's not really the same as blowing (in any of its meanings), I'll give you that.
Also note that my avatar was at that time provided by Infidel. Shows that I was indeed, in Shelle's words, mad as a bag of cats around then.

In reply to:

(SLC:) Nerd Alert.....


I don't understand!

(So there, managed to squeeze in a Claude impression into this post as well. )

I'm sorry I ate your fish!

Tin
(stardust savant)
09/01/05 04:22 AM
Ancient stuffs new [re: Marquis]  

Hey Marquis! That vm message must have been from a couple years back...? As I recall you only recently visited SF, which is when we shoulda tried to meet up, seeing I'm north of there. Kind of figured you were po'd at me for some such malarky here. Hope you had a hoot and a holler.

On topic, back to a point I brought up and got rather slammed for... I still believe the mods should be more proactive here. The example I used doesn't equal censorship... I am in no way for censorship. What I am for is weeding out deadweight and certain useless alter ego posts. The mod I am thinking of does not remove things willy nilly. She sniffs out baggage and possible aliases who abuse their posting. The board is good, full of colorful fucking language, but not full of needless pm-like posts and bizarre photo, memory heavy, threads. Mind you I am referring to Penn and Teller's site, and they're not for the squimish. So, I figure more involved moderating could clean up this joint a pinch and, perhaps, encourage others to join or come back. That is the goal, right? If it's not, I'll shuddup and go play in redder pastures.



It is my opinion and I am unanimous in this, because it is my opinion, which is, in fact, mine.

EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
09/01/05 06:02 AM
Re: Ancient stuffs new [re: Tin]  

In reply to:

What I am for is weeding out deadweight and certain useless alter ego posts.


Difficult:
- Apparently many here see their alter egos as an integral part of their presence on TW and wouldn't want to give them up.

- Most if not all alter egos are not created by Newbies or people who just drop by occasionally but by well known members who exactly know what they are doing. And obviously they think it is good because otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

- Some of the alters are brilliant, I think, but tastes about that seem to differ so it is difficult to single the "right" ones out.

Personally I totally agree that the alter ego thing is what makes it more and more annoying to come here and take part in the discussions. But again: as the alters are made basically by people who have been here long enough to know it seems to be the choice of many here to turn the board into what it is becoming. And for the above mentioned reasons I'd rather call on those alter ego masters to change their habits instead of asking the moderators to fulfill a deleting/banning job which is almost impossible to do correctly.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


AdamAdministrator
(cricket menace)
09/01/05 06:04 AM
Alrighty then new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I will be in LA this Wednesday for three days. The first day will be spent sleeping but I still need to work out what to do for the next 2 days and work out where to stay. If you have time catch up on Thursday or Friday during the day, just PM me. The places I wouldn't mind seeing:

* Amoeba Records
* Bowie's star on the walk of fame
* Doheny Drive, Bel Air, Beverley Hills
* Santa Monica Beach (possibly)
* Disneyland (possibly)

The Last of the Disco Kings MP3 by Adam D Versus David B

http://www.bowiedownunder.com

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
09/01/05 06:35 AM
Re: Alrighty then new [re: Adam]  

If you're talking about this Wednesday as in this very week we are experiencing in all it's greatness right now then I have to be a dick and say no. But if you're talking about the first Wednesday in September I could probably do a lunchy meetup thing. True, I'd have to leave after about an hour but it might be fun to see how odd your accent is.

Or if you're up for movies and Mexicans, you can always hitch a ride 60 mins East to my lovely drive in:


My terrifying home away from home before the nightly gang meetings and
drug dealings. We don't have jumper cables because "you never know who
might need a jump." (Actual quote from the guy who I replaced.)


I'm posting this here so that the general public can get excited about the possibility of us meeting.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

AdamAdministrator
(cricket menace)
09/01/05 06:47 AM
how many drinks can we down in one hour? new [re: Monkeyboy]  

It's already Thursday evening in Melbourne so yep, I'm talking about the first Wednesday in September. The drive-in looks.....interesting......but I don't like my chances of survival hitchiking in LA.

The Last of the Disco Kings MP3 by Adam D Versus David B

http://www.bowiedownunder.com

SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
09/01/05 08:55 AM
Re: Alrighty then new [re: Monkeyboy]  

No, Monkeyboy, Adam only wants to meet you to find out how funny YOUR accent is.

And i'm jealous

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





Stevee
(kook)
09/01/05 09:01 AM
Hmpff ... new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

...

In reply to:

And i'm jealous


you could always come to Perth, girlfriend!

... and a Stoli and Tonic for me.

Beltene
(stardust savant)
09/01/05 01:37 PM
Re: Alrighty then new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

I'd have to leave after about an hour but it might be fun to see how odd your accent is.



Actually, an Australian accent is more likely to get you laid in Europe so listen carefully and take notes for future references. (Or take Adam with you to Europe and let him do the talking)

Share Zi Love

Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
09/01/05 03:37 PM
Re: Hmpff ... new [re: Stevee]  

In reply to:

you could always come to Perth, girlfriend!


I didn't know you were black.

"You can rest easy, ma'am. Your daughter isn't my type. You see, I'm into boys. Not all registered sex offenders are alike, you know."

Stevee
(kook)
09/01/05 09:28 PM
Re: Hmpff ... new [re: Monkeyboy]  

...

In reply to:

I didn't know you were black


I'm certainly hung like one!

... and a Stoli and Tonic for me.

SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
09/01/05 09:31 PM
choo choo new [re: Stevee]  

Yeah, but you can't smoke doobies like one

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





96dbFreak
(acolyte)
09/06/05 00:31 AM
Re: Soul Kind of Feeling new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

In reply to:

...drinking 96dbFreak and downunder2 under the table in Sydney...


Ooooh, you big fibber! We were not under the table (I have photographic proof).

Stu
Get Bowie Back Downunder


Shelle
(kook)
09/08/05 02:09 PM
Y'all be so cool but y'all are closet Nazis new [re: eraserhead]  

Even the fact that you all talk about me in this thread still doesn't make it worth wading thru. The thing about threads about who should be a moderator is their interest to anyone is proportional to how much that person wants to be a mod and how likely it is they'll become one.

"Shelle, your mind works like a beautiful train wreck."


SoulLoveChild
(acolyte)
09/09/05 00:39 AM
Soul Love new [re: 96dbFreak]  

OK, Stu, you weren't under the table (photographic proof would be appreciated as I didn't have a camera that night) but you and Steve are a lot bigger than me so I did a damn good job of trying and staying on my feet

Shelle, this thread was kind of fun! It's worth the wade, unlike those other boring "let's ban......" threads that clog this forum.

Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!






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