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Starlite
(stardust savant)
09/23/05 05:48 PM
What do you come to TW for?  

After reading EJ's "Why's TW So Dull Right Now" thread, and considering the never-ending bitching we generally have here about what's being posted, I thought that this thread would be useful. Everyone complains about how TW's full of crap at one time or another, but the crux of the matter seems to be, we all have different tastes, and one person's crap is another person's wittiest thread of the year. When people ask for stricter regulations of certain kinds of posts, I think they don't consider that their opinion of what's good and what's bad is not shared by everybody.

So then, let's have a little roll call. For mutual education's sake, please tell us what it is that you come to TW for--what you consider a good read/discussion. And this time, let's everybody be really honest please. As in, tell us what you really read and post to, as opposed to what you want us to think you do. So if you generally find yourself clicking on every one of Beltene's threads, and secretly look forward to the next time Claude makes a post that you can harass him for, don't tell me you come here for the deep, methodically involved discussions on the merits of backing vocals during Bowie's 80s period.

I'll start it off.

Stuff that keeps me coming back:

I come here for the irreverent Coffee Shop discussions, and the bitching in the Site Feedback forums. I also like that TW supplies me with news, and the opportunity to discuss the latest headlines with people who are not painfully stupid (well, some of them).

Really offbeat threads. Those are fun. Also, character-driven threads.

I like the feuds. Drawn-out arguments with everybody taking sides and fighting dirty as they can are always great. I'm not sure if the feuds are better if they're on an intellectually engaging subject, or on overwhelmingly petty stuff.

Also, the satire and the alter-egoes. Dammit, I love me some of those later egoes. Alter egoes are what makes TW so special and so different. When they're done well, they're the highlight of the whole board.

Finally, Claude's posts. When they overrun a thread, it gets to be too much, but I'm much amused by his one-liners in context of a full discussion. I mean, come on! He's really something!

Stuff I really couldn't care less about:

Lists. Of any kind.

Most "vs" threads, especially if they're Bowie related. Ie, "Bowie Albim A vs. Bowie Album B." Or "Bowie Track A vs. Bowie Track B." It's as dull as lists.

The "Fight" threads. It's basically the same thing as the lists and the vs. threads.



White Prism
(cracked actor)
09/23/05 07:06 PM
Prism Redux new [re: Starlite]  

I do believe I started a thread on a similar topic a while ago, though I opted for a poll which short-sightedly didn't allow for the break down of various erstwhile personalities at TW. (It was still better than Shelle's godawful 'Surviving London' thread, mind.)

OKAY THEN, honestly this time.

TW Happies!

- PMs. Of course. In fact, I'm sure if I didn't have correspondences here who stubbornly refused to communicate by other means I would've left ages ago. True, I'm much to lazy to respond to any of the PMs I receive, but I promise you I *will* read them if you send them.

- All the posters I like. Which once I totalled and there were above thirty. Collectively, however, they're averaging 0.5 posts per week, which doesn't really add up to very much. I would name a few, but obviously those I omit will feel demoralised.

- Communication. I think one of the options in my original poll on this topic read 'being amused by observing the effects of barely literate people interacting by written communication.' I voted for that option.

- deClaude. I like all the Claude alter egos (though, naturally, not Claude but obviously he's a prerequisite), and their unrestrained spamming of the odd thread can be hilarious.

- Puppies! The zany Stu arguments were fun.

- NomDePlume. Cures my insomnia.


A Great Bullshit!

- Pointless bitching. I intensely despise off-topic insults that distract from the topic at hand. If you must shit sling, at least put in the effort to MAKE IT RELEVANT.

- Threads about Avatars (Dara, Dogzzz), the weather (ladygravenigger), pointless polls (AdolfSunday), pointless Poles (TJ Newton). I also had a thing about any TW-related thread being poor form at one stage, but when we're inundated by the clueless oafs above I'll take anything I can get.

- Not arguing the point. I found this nifty list of logical fallacies a few days ago which I hope to deploy often in future. However, I suspect using logic to explode myths around these parts will make things a tad too easy.

Oops, did I just make a list?

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Id like to smash every tooth in your head


planocraft
(wide eyed peoploid)
09/23/05 07:11 PM
Re: What do you come to TW for? new [re: Starlite]  

So basically, Starlite, you like the funny threads and not the boring ones. Yeah, me too.



Starlite
(stardust savant)
09/23/05 09:46 PM
Re: What do you come to TW for? new [re: planocraft]  

In reply to:

So basically, Starlite, you like the funny threads and not the boring ones. Yeah, me too.


Well, that's the thing. Note that White Prism, for instance, does not like "pointless bitching"--while as to me, that's part of the TW experience. Also, a lot of posters on here seem to love the list threads, etc., and hate alter egoes.

Oh, WP is right though, I should edit: I don't like ranking lists of any kind. Ie, Top 10 Favorite Movies, or Top 7 Favorite Books, Best Bowie Albums In Reverse Alphabetical Order, or whatnot. I'm okay with "stuff I like" lists in general, even if they aren't always entertaining. But the big hard-on people 'round here seem to get from carefully ranking things? Never got into that scene.



planocraft
(wide eyed peoploid)
09/24/05 03:39 AM
Re: What do you come to TW for? new [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

I don't like ranking lists of any kind. Ie, Top 10 Favorite Movies, or Top 7 Favorite Books, Best Bowie Albums In Reverse Alphabetical Order, or whatnot. I'm okay with "stuff I like" lists in general, even if they aren't always entertaining.


What about a "Your ten favourite Pablo-Picasso brown-nosing posts" list?



eraserhead
(stardust savant)
09/24/05 03:46 AM
Re: What do you come to TW for? new [re: Starlite]  

I think Claude's daughter is one of the best, funniest new creations. So that's one reason why I still come here.

Also, I come here to read what I have to say. Isn't that one universal reason; we all come here to read our own posts. Not the old ones, but the ones we're making now. Like this one, the one I'm making now. I come here to read this latest post of mine. Perhaps it's that simple.

Seriously though, the downfall of TW has more to do with the lack of new, exciting Bowie albums than anything else. Once those albums come, and once the following discussions come, the Coffee Shop and all other forums will flourish too. I think statistics is with me when I say that the Coffee Shop has been at its best when Bowie had just released, or was just about to release, a new album.




GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.


Starlite
(stardust savant)
09/24/05 05:15 AM
It's about time for the Second Coming new [re: eraserhead]  

Oh my goodness! I'm very glad to see you. You've been sorely missed, you know.

I'm not as convinced as everyone else seems to be that new Bowie albums engender a revival of interesting conversation. Mostly because new Bowie albums mostly engender speculation on what the album will be like, and you'll notice that "Bowie album/song speculation" did not make it to my list of Stuff I Come to TW For. Also, new albums tend to generate new ranking lists. Ugh.

Planocraft--I'd be okay with that subject so long as we weren't asked to number the threads in order of our affection for them. Because that's just wankery.



Monkeyboy
(acolyte)
09/24/05 06:02 AM
You're one of those "glass half full types"? new [re: White Prism]  

In reply to:

However, I suspect using logic to explode myths around these parts will make things a tad too easy.


Yeah, you'd think it might work that way.

The preceding is part of a vast conspiracy to destroy this message board.

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
09/24/05 06:10 AM
Re: What do you come to TW for? new [re: eraserhead]  

I doubt a new album would do it either, ok some of the lapsed members may come back to learn about it or give their opinions, but any new people would see the main page is still showing this..



They are going to see a dead site, so why would they bother finding out about the new album, when as far as the site is concerned that new album was in 2003?



eraserhead
(stardust savant)
09/24/05 06:16 AM
Re: It's about time for the Second Coming [re: Starlite]  

In reply to:

Oh my goodness! I'm very glad to see you. You've been sorely missed, you know


Thank you. I've missed me too. But, seriously, I have also missed Starlite, but I've visited TW from time to time, so it's not like I've been dead and now returned to life, even if it would have been cool if that had been the case.

Anyhow.


In reply to:

I'm not as convinced as everyone else seems to be that new Bowie albums engender a revival of interesting conversation


Well, I didn't mean that I think the actual Bowie conversations are that interesting. What I wanted to say is that I think, since this is a David Bowie discussion board, David Bowie will always be the number one thing that makes people come here. Sure, a lot of people here today don't even listen to Bowie anymore, and still they're here, so they're obviously coming here for other reasons beyond Bowie, but they're not as happy today as they once were, when they were into Bowie. In the beginning, Bowie was what drove all of us here, and always will be the one thing (or man, rather) that will drive future posters to the Conversation Piece.

If Bowie releases an album we all love, I mean really love, like we once loved Diamond Dogs or Outside, everybody will be much happier and open to discussion. The happiness and the well-being of the Bowie fans will generate discussions, debates, dialogues, stories, etc. - everything that this board once had.

You can compare TW to an ancient civilization. Only the civilizations that did well, where the people had food and good places to live, would develop high, rich cultures. The rise of a culture, the development of the intellectual and the artistic, literature, art, music, stuff like that, is dependent on well-being. So if TW is happy, that is, if the inhabitants are feeling well, and are not starving (in other words: if they are fed with new, great Bowie news/albums/tours), TW culture (in the shape of discussions and debates in the Coffe Shop, or artistic expressions in the Artiste forum, for example) will rise and flourish.


edit: Pablo, yeah, I still don't see why Evan doesn't allow Adam (or somebody else, like yourself, for example) to update the home page.


GFried: What aspect of your personallity do you think makes you post at a David Bowie message board?
Dara: For me it's pretty much an interest in David Bowie.

Edited by eraserhead on 09/24/05 06:21 AM (server time).




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