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Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/01/11 03:58 PM
Yay! User Registration Fixed! [re: ]  

Heh. Not really. Don't be silly.

It's been 3 years, 1 month since registration broke, viz. the 'work around' method of claiming that you 'forgot' your password. Registration proper broke well before that.

For a time I thought that having a 'closed community' was actually a good thing, since it prevented the nutters and Dogz spin-offs infecting our space. But the special volume of crap that Dogz produced was the product of a very ill mind; TW worked pretty well before that.

Evan, ever beneficent and ever merciful, appears generous enough to keep TW running for the sake of its users, as a place where they can occasionally reunite. However, there becomes a point where board activity is so low that the frequency of users' visits diminishes: if there are no incentives for people to return, they naturally move on. In other words, to keep TW alive as a meeting place, it may be necessary to open its doors again.

As it stands, the board languishes in a kind of Terri Schiavo-vegetation, neither quite alive nor dead, with the promise of a similar seven-year court case, in which Dogz wrangles for the ownership rights.


A couple of practical concerns:

1) Evan is a very busy man with big responsibilities: the reports of numerous superhuman feats of his rescuing of babies from blazing car wreckages, etc. are well-documented on the board. I know nothing of the mechanics of TW's registration process, but I guess it would require a couple of hours work at the most. This level of attention over a three year period isn't that demanding.

2) Much generic message board software nowadays uses Captcha or similar to prevent spammers infiltrating the forum. I am not sure, however, if this would be a concern for TW because a) I think the particular board software TW uses is not that popular (IIRC), b) board registration is bizarrely interlinked with the main site. I don't know if these points would deflect spammers or not. If not, obviously much more work would be involved and I understand the reluctance to fix it.



Patches
(stardust savant)
01/12/11 09:30 AM
Re: Yay! User Registration Fixed! new [re: Auntie Prism]  

Funny enough, Auntie, I was about to post a couple questions regarding this site.

1) I've been off the TW radar for a bit, so what really happened to Evan - do we really know?

^- I guess this is my main question...

2) This is not to sound ill of everyone and I do thank Evan for keeping us alive, but how many people do frequent this site on a regular basis anymore? The main question I am seeing from various people is, how are we still standing? I've seen only a handful of "regulars" post the past couple days; does that mean the oldies have finally given up as well? Is no one into the old bantering anymore? Or has all the anons and spam spawns ruined it?

3) I think you have a point regarding the captchas, but the way the technology is going, I think one day captchas will be void because spammers will get a way round it.

4) And on the subject of linking things (registration, ect), do you really think because we've lost so many people over the years, it might make fixing easier? I know nothing about the workings of sites, but my thinking is it would make it harder to fix because so many people dropped off, and trolling thru the current wreckage might take time to see who actually is still round. I could be wrong and welcome someone saying I'm wrong.

5) We can't edit our posts anymore? Just delete them? (once we've submitted them to the thread)

6) Since we can't edit our registrations and all that on the main fan registry, I suppose our mail is still going to when people had their TW email (like myself - my reg is still under my TW logins). What happened to that? Bigmailbox go under, or is that something we can't do anymore? (not that I remember the pw) I used to like giving out my teenagewildlife email address. Made people ask me whether or not I'm doing porn. Kinda funny.

Ta.

_____________________________________
Jareth's speech: Love Me, Fear Me, Do as I say, and I will be your slave. Heathen track: Show me who you are And I would be your slave
Coincidence? I think not.

Quills
(kook)
01/12/11 10:25 AM
Re: Yay! User Registration Fixed! new [re: Patches]  

In reply to:

Is no one into the old bantering anymore?


I'm game

I went to a restaurant that serves 'breakfast at any time'. So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.


Patches
(stardust savant)
01/12/11 12:04 PM
Re: Yay! User Registration Fixed! new [re: Quills]  

Briiliant. I've gone and posted a new thread.

_____________________________________
Jareth's speech: Love Me, Fear Me, Do as I say, and I will be your slave. Heathen track: Show me who you are And I would be your slave
Coincidence? I think not.

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/12/11 03:27 PM
I can't answer any of these questions. new [re: Patches]  

In reply to:

1) I've been off the TW radar for a bit, so what really happened to Evan - do we really know?


I guess Adam or K would be the ones who know, as they are at least in (very) occasional contact with him. They probably only discuss basic admin stuff, though.

In reply to:

2) does that mean the oldies have finally given up as well? Is no one into the old bantering anymore?


Kinda. Which oldies were you hoping to see? I think most activity between the oldies these days, if they still visit at all, is carried out through PMs. As for bantering, TW seems much mellower these days than it used to be, i.e. both less confrontational and less creative.

In reply to:

3) captchas


Yeah, you're right. I can't see Evan introducing captchas any time soon. I can't answer question 4.

In reply to:

5) We can't edit our posts anymore? Just delete them? (once we've submitted them to the thread)


Again, that's because part of the software has been corrupted somewhere. We are supposed to be able to edit our posts, although maybe we can ask K or Adam what kind of things Evan has suggested he is willing or unwilling to repair. It may be that Evan has told them only to contact him in the event of a cataclysmic board failure (Ooops! messages, or being unable to log-in). As it happens, I think several things need urgent attention.

In reply to:

TW email


I never used it myself, but I believe that died years ago.

Bizarrely, the 'old' TW message board seems to be working okay, although it chiefly consists of a guy called Ess Bee talking to himself.



Patches
(stardust savant)
01/12/11 05:27 PM
Re: I can't answer any of these questions. new [re: Auntie Prism]  

In regards to Adam and K having contact with Evan, at least there is some communication going, even if it is admin stuff. I just was curious as to what had happened to Evan; never really understood the idea of why Mr. Torrie left to begin with (was there a reason besides his illness?).

I remember a time when the boards were filled with people chatting about. Whether it was relevant to the site or not. People like Ruskie, Dukewhite, Beckie (she and Mark were room mates at one point), Etheraldawn (or whatever it was – Frank… also from NY, friends with Mark and Beckie), Kristinmachina… people that were around several years ago… before the site went down hill. I’ve noticed there’s been a bit of a loss for creativity. Looks like I missed a lot!

No worries about captchas and question 4… just thinking out loud.

It sucks that somewhere, somehow the software has been corrupted. Maybe Evan is waiting for us all to piss off completely before he shuts the site down for good. Who knows. But at least we’re still here for the moment!

I know the TW email died about 5 years ago or so. Bigmailbox went under or something, and it dominoed to everyone who used it. just sad for the people who had the accounts and registered with it… like my email in my fan registry says abe11825 at teenagewildlife dot com. I changed my name over to Patches a few years ago and at that point, I think it was when the email server went south.

Wow, never realized there was an old board… interesting!

I’m not asking for much… just some random thoughts about the site. Maybe I missed the thread(s) about the whys and whens. Just when I saw your post, I figured I’d ask. Appreciate the time you put in to respond though and I understand you don’t have the reasons. I thank you! They are still better then nothing!

_____________________________________
Jareth's speech: Love Me, Fear Me, Do as I say, and I will be your slave. Heathen track: Show me who you are And I would be your slave
Coincidence? I think not.

KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
01/13/11 05:12 AM
Re: I can't answer any of these questions. new [re: Patches]  

For the record, the last time I communicated with Evan was in 2002. Since I became the admin I have not once communicated with him and I do not even have his contact information. Whether Adam has been in contact with him I do not know.

Trololololololololololololololololo

Patches
(stardust savant)
01/13/11 08:13 AM
Re: I can't answer any of these questions. new [re: K]  

Oh wow, K, 9 years? That's kind of worrying because people like you and Adam are (for lack of better phrasing) Running the site (as well as other admins or mods). But like I said, it was just random thoughts and questions since I've come back. I'm not looking for definitive / set in stone information. Things maybe other people can help me with.

_____________________________________
Jareth's speech: Love Me, Fear Me, Do as I say, and I will be your slave. Heathen track: Show me who you are And I would be your slave
Coincidence? I think not.

Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
01/13/11 02:16 PM
Something Up With My Banter Chaps? new [re: Quills]  

In reply to:

Is no one into the old bantering anymore?


Right ho, Squiffy! Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the How's-Your-Father. Harry Blighter, dicky-birdied, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.

I don't walk it like I talk it cause I run it

KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
01/13/11 03:53 PM
Re: Yay! User Registration Fixed! new [re: Auntie Prism]  

Regarding captchas, they are actually something I've been thinking that should be implemented (alas, that cannot be done by the resources avaiable to an admin which are actually fairly limited) as the would make it possible to open anonymous/unregistered commenting again which would be a possibly way to work around the problem of registration not working, since registration is not nescessary to post anonymously. However, without captchas or another equivalent system the boards would be flooded with spam.

And in any case, changes made to the message board (even if they were possible) will be of little to no help unless the main site is brought up to date again. Few people will feel inclined to visit the message board of a website that's last been updated in 2003 and as such even if registration was fixes we'd likely be stuck with the same old users (plus maybe a bunch of new Dogz alters).

Trololololololololololololololololo

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/13/11 07:37 PM
We are the dead new [re: K]  

In reply to:

And in any case, changes made to the message board (even if they were possible) will be of little to no help unless the main site is brought up to date again. Few people will feel inclined to visit the message board of a website that's last been updated in 2003 and as such even if registration was fixes we'd likely be stuck with the same old users (plus maybe a bunch of new Dogz alters).


I'm not sure whether BWW has been updated lately, or what kind of updates are even possible with such a dearth of Bowie news, but the message boards at BWW remain active. I'm no talent spotter or nuthin', but I imagine there are some interesting posters there that might like a Dogz-free board.

The one part of TW's main page that is updated is the list of hot topics. It's not as though Bowie is an obscure artist; I'm sure new people click on TW every day, not knowing that the 'news' aspects of TW are defunct, yet who wish to talk about Bowie.

Or not. It may be that MB users gravitate towards 'live' artists. I know of a couple of music boards by 'live' musicians that are quite popular, though I'm not sure what the long-term prospects are for the MB style of communication per se.



KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
01/15/11 03:15 PM
Re: We are the dead new [re: Auntie Prism]  

I might have been a bit too certain in my phrasing in the above post. Fixing registration will probably have no effect in my opinion. However, glancing at BWW the site's Bowie news-section appears to have been updated several times already this year (most of the "news" are worthless, but that's not the point) and in the MB there are 23 threads that have had replies today (so definately at least 23 new posts, probably more).

If you were a new fan (or even an old fan) looking for a Bowie MB without further knowledge that you'd be subjected to Dogz and claude if you register at BWW or Infidel if you register at TW, would you rather choose a regularly-updated website with a relatively active message board or a never-updated website with a near-dead message board? I'm not trying to make this into a TW versus BWW competition, I'm just trying to point out the problems we'd be facing. Because there is so little activity people are less likely to join, even if it were possible.

As a more general point of message board development, my impression is that there have been two divergent development paths recently. One is highly specialised forums with a clearly defined subject (much like TW) where strict rules are enforced and the discussion at least attempts to be very "professional" (much unlike TW). Then there are the "general discussion" type forums established by newspapers and the like where anything can be discussed and most posters tend to resemble Dogz.

Returning to the subject of this site, as an experiment I have allowed anonymous posting in the Come and buy My Toys forum to see how much (if any) spambots it will attract. If none are forthcoming in, say a weeks' time, I think it would be a good idea to consider enabling anon posting for other forums as well.

Trololololololololololololololololo

Patches
(stardust savant)
01/15/11 07:04 PM
Re: We are the dead new [re: K]  

In reply to:

K::

If you were a new fan (or even an old fan) looking for a Bowie MB without further knowledge that you'd be subjected to Dogz and claude if you register at BWW or Infidel if you register at TW, would you rather choose a regularly-updated website with a relatively active message board or a never-updated website with a near-dead message board? I'm not trying to make this into a TW versus BWW competition, I'm just trying to point out the problems we'd be facing. Because there is so little activity people are less likely to join, even if it were possible.


Hasn't there always been a competition, or at least a healthy comparison between "us" (TW) and "them" (BWW)? For as long as I've been a member here, there's been talk about what's going on with BWW. It's not frequent, but it comes up (or used to) on a semi regular basis... when there was talk, people speculated or added their two cents about both sites and then dropped that part of the subject and continued on the conversation; enough said about each. Yeah, we're kind of up shits creek with no paddle on here, but at least there are some posters still lurking about... enough to warrant we stay open even for another 24 hours.

Even the Bnet members that are on here post a healthy comparison thread (or used to).

True, this was supposed to be a Bowie site, but that doesn't mean we have to close the doors since there's been no real thread of evidence He is doing anything. Sure, there are things that come out on the news wire every few months to a year now, but it does get us talking, that's for damn sure. We are trying, right?

I miss claude.

_____________________________________
Jareth's speech: Love Me, Fear Me, Do as I say, and I will be your slave. Heathen track: Show me who you are And I would be your slave
Coincidence? I think not.

ziggfried
(acolyte)
01/16/11 00:26 AM
Re: We are the dead new [re: Patches]  

In reply to:

Hasn't there always been a competition, or at least a healthy comparison between "us" (TW) and "them" (BWW)?


I dunno if the competition has ever been "healthy," I mean, isn't BWW full of disgruntled TWers who defected, and carried on bitching about TW, there?



Patches
(stardust savant)
01/16/11 09:04 AM
Re: We are the dead new [re: ziggfried]  

I don't know, Ziggfried. I don't go over to BWW. I've always stayed on here. With the exception of having belonged to Bnet for 2 years.

_____________________________________
Jareth's speech: Love Me, Fear Me, Do as I say, and I will be your slave. Heathen track: Show me who you are And I would be your slave
Coincidence? I think not.

schizophrenic
(acolyte)
01/17/11 11:02 AM
Re: We are the dead new [re: Patches]  

In reply to:

I miss claude.


Claude is still around, somewhere. If not, he lives on. In our hearts. And minds.






AND DICKS



Quills
(kook)
01/17/11 01:50 PM
Re: We are the dead new [re: schizophrenic]  

In reply to:

Claude is still around, somewhere. If not, he lives on. In our hearts. And minds.


Claude is with me in life's adventures


I went to a restaurant that serves 'breakfast at any time'. So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.


Patches
(stardust savant)
01/17/11 04:50 PM
Re: We are the dead new [re: schizophrenic]  

That explains everything!

_____________________________________
Jareth's speech: Love Me, Fear Me, Do as I say, and I will be your slave. Heathen track: Show me who you are And I would be your slave
Coincidence? I think not.

EJ
(byroad singer)
01/20/11 07:17 AM
We Are TW new [re: K]  

In reply to:


However, glancing at BWW the site's Bowie news-section appears to have been updated several times already this year. (...)
I'm not trying to make this into a TW versus BWW competition


Still we beat them in the last substantial news, which was Daddy's heart surgery in 2004. We had it first.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


Emil
(acolyte)
01/20/11 09:10 AM
Re: We Are TW new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

the last substantial news, which was Daddy's heart surgery


But now you're forgetting his appearance on SpongeBob.


It's SAILER, idiot!

ziggfried
(acolyte)
01/20/11 05:20 PM
Re: We Are TW new [re: Emil]  

What about his appearance in that Josh Hartnett film nobody watched?



Quills
(kook)
01/20/11 05:41 PM
Re: We Are TW new [re: ziggfried]  

In reply to:

What about his appearance in that Josh Hartnett film nobody watched?


He looks old and sounds breathtess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSil6bzq7Yo

Crap film.




I went to a restaurant that serves 'breakfast at any time'. So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.


KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
01/22/11 03:07 PM
Re: We are the dead new [re: K]  

In reply to:

Returning to the subject of this site, as an experiment I have allowed anonymous posting in the Come and buy My Toys forum to see how much (if any) spambots it will attract. If none are forthcoming in, say a weeks' time, I think it would be a good idea to consider enabling anon posting for other forums as well.


This clearly interested no-one, but here's an update regardless: After further research into this subject, it appears that although non-registered posting can be allowed for the forums, an attempt to post anonymously results in a message telling you you've been banned. I presume this is another glitch in the system (as I also double-checked to make sure my IP adress isn't banned for some reason) and as such it seems allowing anon posting is not an option. If it's desirable for these boards to have any new activity in the form of new users, Evan is the only one who could make it happen.

Alternatively, we could start a new board somewhere, but let's admit that that's probably not going to work. Herding TWers into a new forum would be like herding cats.

Trololololololololololololololololo

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/22/11 07:44 PM
Anon is legion new [re: K]  

Even if anonymous posting wasn't 'banned', I don't think it's really an answer. I can't recall 'successful' anonymous posting in any internet forum, of the non-trolling sort.

Still, I sense that even the main site is crumbling. The song ratings page is corrupt (i.e. missing the song names), as is the chart watch, aka Dara's Chart Watch (linked to in the former), which mysteriously has the word 'minge' tactfully added to the foot of the page. If spam, or whomever, has infiltrated even the most mundane text-based pages, then does that mean someone has a password? I sense our hours are numbered.

In reply to:

Herding TWers into a new forum would be like herding cats.


Right. I think that if TW should unexpectedly disappear, BWW would be the natural refugee camp. Any attempt at re-setting up TW, or a TW substitute, should be initiated from there, possibly poaching the best BWWers while we're at it. A new messageboard would have to be set up properly under its own domain, i.e. not part of conforums or any of the other 'free' messageboard sites, which come with their own restrictions (both in terms of storage space, and of a baseline level of activity required to avoid the forum being deleted).



Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/24/11 06:28 PM
You'll have to swing it new [re: Auntie Prism]  

In reply to:

[Ms. Patches] 1) I've been off the TW radar for a bit, so what really happened to Evan - do we really know?

^- I guess this is my main question...


My answer has now been cleared by the relevant authorities and I can reproduce part of a PM which answers it. After you asked, I searched for Evan's name in Google, and found that he had, among other things, a Facebook page, a Twitter account, and a Youtube account. I have some reservations about re-posting this information on TW, because it has not been posted explicitly on TW. But it can found easily enough through Google. I suppose this is where, in the time-honoured tradition of journalism, I point out that Evan is our leader, that there is considerable interest in information about him, and that it is in the public interest to make it known. And that all this information was obtained legally, of course.

***

Didn't we mention Evan, a couple of PMs back? It seems we can answer what he's been up to recently simply by googling his name [ … edited here to avoid repetition from the above. Just a note that this is some degree speculative …].

From what is stated on his TW profile page (last updated in 1999/2000) he was working in Silicon Valley, and associated with Yahoo. At any rate, the physical address given on his TW profile, the place to send physical mail to, is the Yahoo! Inc. offices. According to his Facebook and Twitter, he still lives in Silicon Valley. He is married to a lawyer. They had a kid around 2 years ago, and there is a video of the kid (a boy) playing in a cart on Evan's Youtube channel. This is the only uploaded video there. All is good. His Twitter and Youtube seem to be updated pretty rarely. It would appear that his Facebook page would be an obvious place to contact him in the event of TW Oopsing down the plughole.

What's more interesting, however, is some of the incidental material on his Twitter and Youtube, which gives indications about his political leanings. Some of the material is computer tech stuff, the rest tends to be science-related. For example, on his Twitter there is a link to the Wall Street Journal discussing the 'Climategate' emails, which, as you probably know was a story that was pushed particularly strongly by a number of right-wing papers. (I'm not sure exactly whether this news was global, sorry!) Being keen on science, I suspect that ethical scientific practice interests him. The article reports that a 'debate' has opened among scientists, as a consequence of the leaks, about whether humans are responsible for climate change. A rent-a-quote scientist comments on the impossibility of being published if you disagree with climate change dogma. I didn't follow the story too closely, but I thought that the initial importance attributed to the leaks had been debunked, namely that the scientists involved were a small circle of colleagues in 1996, who eventually didn't act on what was discussed. But fair enough, I don't really know enough to comment on this.

Then, still on Twitter, Evan has reposted a link to an op-ed in the NYT, on the 'spiralling' costs of Obama's health reforms. The gist of the article is that Obama has worked with imaginary figures that have only partially considered the full range of costs likely to be incurred in the next decade. The piece is written by Douglas Holtz-Eakin from the American Action Forum. Wikipedia informs us that this is a 'centre-right' organisation and that Holtz-Eakin was a former advisor to McCain. The AAF was set up in February 2010.

There are also links to a satirical blog on the subject of Obama's teleprompter, and one to 'typical' feminist arguments against science. The latter is weird and somewhat incoherent as its author claims to be a liberal feminist. Yet the article only discusses a series of strawman arguments that purport to be the substance of feminist criticisms of science (in short, tabloidy feminism), while failing to note what possible legitimate objections feminists might have, or did have, to certain scientific practices. (The very title of the piece is a non sequitur: 'The more feminists distrust science, the more women look like fools'.)

Then, among his 'favourited' Youtube videos are a number computer tech things, and one of those Hitler parody videos from Downfall. The subject is last year's Midterm elections, and shows Hitler freaking out because Obama is no longer able to command a supermajority to push through his socialist agenda. Hitler, naturally, is distraught, presumably because he has plans similar to Obama's. The dodgy political content of the video is reflected in the video rating and shitfest in the comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnd4zW1NCU

Not that I particularly want to believe that Evan is dumb enough to have joined Mo Tucker as an unlikely Tea Party supporter, cos the guy has a PhD, right?



Marquis
(wise like orangutan)
01/24/11 06:30 PM
Oops! new [re: Auntie Prism]  

You neglected to highlight the beefcake profile pic.

I don't walk it like I talk it cause I run it

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/25/11 03:22 PM
Save As … fapfapfapFAP new [re: Marquis]  

Right. There's an undue number of topless or semi-topless photographs of Evan in circulation.

What does that tell us?



Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
01/04/12 07:42 PM
SoB new [re: Auntie Prism]  

One of the greatest unsolved mysteries of all time:

In my original post I wrote:

In reply to:

Bizarrely, the 'old' TW message board seems to be working okay, although it chiefly consists of a guy called Ess Bee talking to himself.


I left them a message in January 2011, and two months they replied! Thus:

In reply to:

Hello AP,
To tell you the truth, I'm not sure why I'm here. I've been here so long, I've forgotten. I've been here since the late '90s. That's a long time. I don't know why I never used the new board.
Ess Bee


Sadly, I can't be fucked to reply again, so the thread dies. But wait--! There are other more recent threads on the old board! Possibly more than on this board! Yes, mostly spam. But more threads than this board!

Rather than words comes the thought of high windows

Emil
(acolyte)
01/15/12 02:45 PM
Re: SoB new [re: Auntie Prism]  

Spooky.

Did you check out the Eva Longoria sextape pics?


It's SAILER, idiot!


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