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KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
02/04/11 05:52 PM
Teenage Wildlife press release, 5 February 2011 new [re: ]  

As of this day, the 5th of February 2011, the user ziggfried has been granted the rights and duties of a moderator in conjunction with a project relating to re-posting deleted classic threads that he is overseeing. The community joyjoysly welcomed this addition to the moderatorial staff; there were spontaneous marches in support of this assignment on the streets of Coffee Shop, honouring the new moderator and the glorious administrator K Jong-Il.

Trololololololololololololololololo

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
02/04/11 07:27 PM
Hit the ground running new [re: K]  

Congratulations, ziggfried. I take it K has briefed you and I'm confident you'll do a fine job.

I have a question, sir. Am I allowed to post a picture of my genitals as an attachment? The picture itself will not be visible in the thread, and my post will contain text notifying readers of the graphic content.

Cheers,
Auntie P.

Rather than words comes the thought of high windows

ziggfriedModerator
(acolyte)
02/05/11 00:11 AM
Re: Hit the ground running new [re: Auntie Prism]  

I don't know where I'm going from here, but I promise I won't bore you.

In reply to:

I have a question, sir. Am I allowed to post a picture of my genitals as an attachment? The picture itself will not be visible in the thread, and my post will contain text notifying readers of the graphic content.


Certainly not, sir. I plan to make this site clean-cut and wholesome. Think of me as Brian Epstein* getting the Beatles out of leather jackets and into neat suits.

* despite the fact that I'm not gay, rich, Jewish or a powerful force in the music industry



Mxy
(cracked actor)
02/05/11 02:19 AM
Re: Hit the ground running new [re: ziggfried]  

Why haven't I seen anything about this in BowieNet?!

This is seriously the most important Bowie related news of the year.

http://bizarrewebcomic.com

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
02/05/11 04:03 AM
All four of us will bow when this thread's done new [re: ziggfried]  

In reply to:

Certainly not, sir. I plan to make this site clean-cut and wholesome.


Buzzzz!!! I'm afraid that's the incorrect answer, ziggfried. I was looking for consistency with existing Mod policy. In your defence, you phrased the statement ambiguously to make it sound like a personal pledge ('I plan to make this site' …etc.—and it's position I probably agree with), but you can't answer the question that way.

The question is transferred to the other Mods, and you have the rest of the clock to yourselves.

In reply to:

despite the fact that I'm not gay, rich, Jewish or a powerful force in the music industry


Not yet, ziggfried, not yet …

Rather than words comes the thought of high windows

ziggfriedModerator
(acolyte)
02/05/11 05:05 AM
Re: Hit the ground running new [re: Mxy]  

In reply to:

(mxy) This is seriously the most important Bowie related news of the year.


Martin Scorsese didn't win an Oscar till he was 64. I've become a TW mod before I've reached 30. I think that says a lot, really.

In reply to:

(Auntie Prism) I was looking for consistency with existing Mod policy.


I'm a maverick!



Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
02/05/11 06:43 AM
So I recovered a 9/11 thread new [re: ziggfried]  

In reply to:

I'm a maverick!


Okay, I'm swayed! I know, moderating is not always the answer; in fact, too often moderating is the problem. We need smaller moderating, and a reduction on moderating for smaller posters. Because moderating hurts the smaller posters, and we need to take it away. We need to get moderators back on the side of the people. That's what I like about you, ziggfried; you're on the side of the people!

Tell me ziggfried, can you see TW from The Triumph of Stupidity?

***

So I was planning on retreading the TW Guide to Posting Your Genitals thread (in which attempts to answer this question re. attachments ended in farce) but I've something more practical to discuss regarding

In reply to:

a project relating to re-posting deleted classic threads that [ziggfried] is overseeing.


… namely, does anyone know how to read the contents of a TW thread url? Three examples, and they're all different:

1) http://www.teenagewildlife.com/Interact/cp/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=coffee&Number=77418&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=7&part=

2) http://www.teenagewildlife.com/Interact/cp/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=coffee&Number=9832&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=7&part=

3) http://www.teenagewildlife.com/Interact/cp/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=coffee&Number=30871&page=&view=&sb=&vc=1

So the individual thread numbers are 77418, 9832 and 30871 respectively. No problem, cos these are all different threads. This is followed by '&page', then either 1, 0 or nothing—what does this denote? Why would these be different?

Then there is the view, which is either collapsed, or again blank. Threads can be displayed in either collapsed view or threaded view. In the case of the latter, the 'showflat.pl' would read 'showthreaded.pl' (further up in the address) and often the number of the threaded post appears at the end of the url with a hash tag. Obviously, I don't want threaded views, but why would there sometimes be 'nothing' where view=collapsed is written when they both are collapsed in appearance?

I've no idea what the 'sb=7' or 'sb=' refers to. Ditto 'vc=1', which appears in some addresses and not others. The 'part=' at the end will display the entire thread, I think, if you add 'part=all'.

I ask because I'm interested in trying out some of the most common variations on half a dozen threads in various 'website grabbing' sites, such as the Wayback Machine,* which *may* have captured them when they were still active in the early 2000s. Unfortunately, whatever was captured was done so in an extremely random and incomplete fashion, hence, I suppose the different forms of the addresses, described above. I've tried doing searches with wildcards, with asterisks after the thread number, which works sometimes but this, again, appears randomised. I don't really hope to recover anything in addition to what I already have, although I am curious what the gunk at the end of the addresses actually means.

* I've spent literally 10 or 12 hours in there, and I think I've exhausted it. So please don't waste your time.


Rather than words comes the thought of high windows

ziggfriedModerator
(acolyte)
02/06/11 00:37 AM
Re: So I recovered a 9/11 thread new [re: Auntie Prism]  

In reply to:

Okay, I'm swayed! I know, moderating is not always the answer; in fact, too often moderating is the problem. We need smaller moderating, and a reduction on moderating for smaller posters. Because moderating hurts the smaller posters, and we need to take it away. We need to get moderators back on the side of the people. That's what I like about you, ziggfried; you're on the side of the people!


I aim to repeal the liberal concessions made on this site by the current and previous latte-sipping administrations, and to bring TW back in line with the policies of whoever this site's equivalent of Ronald Reagan is. I would also promise to reduce this site's spending, but I'm unsure there is any spending.

In reply to:

Tell me ziggfried, can you see TW from The Triumph of Stupidity?


Stupidity, no. Supidity, yes...

In reply to:

So I was planning on retreading the TW Guide to Posting Your Genitals thread...


I want to re-iterate my insistence that this site will never again become a pantheon of penii.


[quote]



KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
02/06/11 10:37 AM
Penises: my favourite subject new [re: ziggfried]  

As I have personally posted a picture of my penis as an attachment to this site, I believe it is incorrect mod procedure to not allow this. Of course my special rights as the admin could be claimed, but as this incident took place before I was even made a mod I do not think the adgument would hold water.

Of course, ziggfried as the new maverick moderator is free to hold his own views. If there is one thing that's consistent about the rules of this website is that it's not consistent.

For the record, I do not drink latte and the glorious administration of the People's Conversation Piece of Teenage Wildlife is currently considering a ban on all coffee-based drinks. For the glory and advancement of the People, of course.

In reply to:

Stupidity, no. Supidity, yes...


How come no-one ever told me that place exists? Heads are going to roll for keeping this information from me...

Trololololololololololololololololo

Auntie Prism
(stardust savant)
02/06/11 11:55 AM
I'm sorry I made this post so dull new [re: K]  

In reply to:

Stupidity, no. Supidity, yes...


Wow. I must've misread that a hundred times …

I think the problem with the previous rules was that 1) the Mods all acted inconsistently with Adam's advice, and, what's worse 2) acted inconsistently with their *own* advice.

I wrote a post a few years ago which went through the baroque permutations of who said what, and who did what, and I've no wish to repeat it all here. But I think Adam's general rules are, in fact, useful, and consistent with the general opinion at TW:

In reply to:

[Adam] 1. Do not post your genitalia as inline images.

2. The correct method is to use a URL link preferably with some kinda prior warning (so people at work, uni, etc. know what they're getting).


Attachments, however, are something of a grey area, because no-one knows the specifics of Evan's user agreement:

In reply to:

[Adam] On the issue of attachments, I would discourage people from placing questionable material on the TW server seeing we don't know the rules of Evan's contract/agreement. Of course what constitutes porn (or art, etc) is not a science and has therefore been left to the opinion of individual moderators. When the mods were appointed, we were cracking down on a specific form of pornography - most of which would have been considered a 'hardcore' classification by various internet sites so initially there wasn't going to be too many borderline decisions.


As far as I know, there have never been any complaints regarding the contents of an attachment, so perhaps graphic images in the form of attachments (such as K's penis) are okay. On the other hand, it may be safer to disallow this to ensure compliance with Evan's contract, although there will be still be a (safer) boundary in dispute between whether an image is acceptable or not. Whereas the boundary in dispute may previously have been between 'hardcore' and 'softcore', the same ambiguity lies between 'softcore' and 'topless', or 'almost topless', etc. In an additional complication, I'm not sure that a Mod deleting a post deletes the accompanying attachment. Sure, you won't be able to access it via the post, but is it not still stored on the server?

One of the problem's with Adam's original clarification was that even his 'correct method', with a clearly labelled url, had resulted in the deletion of certain posts. I suppose if we can all agree (including EJ) that the url method is acceptable, that would be a start.

Rather than words comes the thought of high windows


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