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GlitterTrash
(kook)
05/27/02 02:36 PM
This ain't rock and roll... new [re: twister]  

I certianly do think Diamond Dogs is a concept album because of the theme carried out through the songs and the visuals. Of course it, depends on what one's guidelines for a concept album are...
But even if it isn't, Rebel Rebel and Rock and Roll With Me still sound horribly out of place among the rest of the dark, dramatic tracks. Nobody's criticizing it for not being one, I think the point people are trying to make that overall it is a concept album (or enough like one) except for a few out of place tracks. And Rock and Roll with Me sucks.

“Consistency is the last resort of the unimaginative.” -Oscar Wilde

wannabebowie
(mortal with potential)
05/27/02 04:21 PM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: GlitterTrash]  

This is when Bowie had creativity flowing out his ears (arse?) You have to put yourself in the context of the time, meaning the album truly was ahead of it's time. He was a freak, but he was my little freak (as opposed to "Bowie for the masses" in the 80's - not that I didn't enjoy that also). I even remember commercials on TV (at least in the LA area) for DD and it was way cool to a young teenager! The best thing, and what seems to get left out most of the time, is David's voice. His singing gets me every time. The sound mix is also part of what makes the album - it is different. And about the guitar playing, the "musician" types always miss the point (remember punk?) Reminds me one time of a speed metal dude talking about Pete Townsend being a lousy guitar player. Who cares that he's not Larry Carlton (look him up), he is, however, an incredible song writer. Similarly, this is about music, ambiance and feel, not "shredding..." DD is one of the best Bowie albums.




CDS
(mortal with potential)
05/27/02 05:22 PM
Re: We have no concept of dogs... new [re: twister]  

Eh, don't insult me, please. If you WEREN'T being condescending, then I'm sorry for misinterpreting. Note, I'm not getting these interpretations from anywhere else - these are coming from my head. Diamond Dogs was my first Bowie album, and I listened to it virtually non-stop for two months. I also heard it before I read 1984, so perhaps thats why I think it tells a story. Nevertheless... these are MY thoughts. I hate critics. I'm not getting them from critics... or anything else. Just my reflections on a great album. Er... yeah. And as for my over-active imagination, can you really have an OVER-active imagination?

And I do think Aladdin Sane tells a story, person above twister. Once again, it's my interpretation - feel free to insult all you want. God forbid we all see things from a different perspective than yours.



MissStardust
(grinning soul)
05/27/02 06:13 PM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: GlitterTrash]  

I just got Diamond Dogs too, on last Monday I believe. Its okay. But only okay in my book. It might just be that I got it on cassette and that always drives me mad. But side one on the cassette is quite good (Rebel Rebel - oh god, I love that song too much) but side two is forgettable.

(to the tune of "Pretty Vacant")
WE'RE SO FRUITY OH SO FRUITY! YEAH, WE'RE BACON!





JonnyManic
(electric tomato)
05/27/02 06:29 PM
Rebel Rebel doesn't fit? new [re: GlitterTrash]  

I think that the transition from the guitar noise at the end of 'Sweet Thing' into the opening of 'Rebel Rebel' is one of the best on any album ever...

It's hard 4 me 2 say what's right
When all I wanna do is wrong


twister
(acolyte)
05/27/02 06:38 PM
Crazy Concept-Lovin' Children new [re: JonnyManic]  

In reply to:

I think that the transition from the guitar noise at the end of 'Sweet Thing' into the opening of 'Rebel Rebel' is one of the best on any album ever...


I agree with Jonny 100%. Well. His opinion is a tad more over-blown than mine, but it's still pretty damn good. I can only presume you people mean it doesn't "fit in" in a strictly narrative sense - which means yes, you people are criticising the album for not being a concept album.

Silly people.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

Adler_84
(grinning soul)
05/27/02 06:46 PM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: GlitterTrash]  

In my humble opinion, "Diamond Dogs" ranks on third position among three of best Bowie's albums recorded in 70. (the first one is "Low", the second one - "Station To Station"). For me this album is better than "Hunky Dory" or even "Ziggy Stardust". Just listen to "Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (reprise)" - it's just ... wonderful.

"A man is the less likely to become great the more he is dominated by reason: few can achieve greatness - and none in art - if they are not dominated by illusion"

angus_freely
(absolute beginner )
05/27/02 07:21 PM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: Trash]  

In reply to:


I don't like the sound and find most (not all!) of Bowie's guitar sound terrible. It could and should have sounded much better than it does.


what?!?!?! bowie's guitar tone on that album is some of the sweetest i've ever heard!!! especially on rebel, rebel... that kent is heavenly... anyone know what kind of amp he used?



GlitterTrash
(kook)
05/27/02 08:31 PM
rock and roll with me still sucks new [re: twister]  

In reply to:

[missstardust] but side two is forgettable.


I wasn't very impressed when I first got this album either. I thought, my lord, this is pretty cheesy and dissapointing. However, after really listening, I've realized how unique it is, especially the whole Candidate/Sweet Thing area.

You're right JonnyManic, Rebel Rebel does blend in, I guess it is Rock and Roll with me that really doesn't fit.

In reply to:

[twister]. I can only presume you people mean it doesn't "fit in" in a strictly narrative sense - which means yes, you people are criticising the album for not being a concept album


It isn't just narrative, it's the tone of the song as well. An album doesn't have to be a concept album to have an out-of-place track. Imagine Octopus' Garden slapped into the middle of the second side of Abbey Road. This isn't a concept album, but it flows together and adding in a random song wouldn't have fit. So, irregardless of the conceptual aspects, it doesn't fit, uh, musically. If that made sense.

It may NOT be a strict concept album, but it sure has a theme, (You know, whores, apocolypse, crumbling city, 1984, seediness, I feel most of this is carried out throughout the album) so that's conceptual enough for me. Whether an album is conceptual or not, it usually sets a mood of some kind, and this one, I feel, is interrupted by a terrible, barry Manilow-esque song.


“Consistency is the last resort of the unimaginative.” -Oscar Wilde

twister
(acolyte)
05/27/02 08:41 PM
DOES DOES DOES new [re: GlitterTrash]  

In reply to:

It isn't just narrative, it's the tone of the song as well.


Jeebux, GlitterTrash, you just said:

"Rebel Rebel does blend in".

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.


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