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GlitterTrash
(kook)
05/27/02 10:47 PM
Re: DOES DOES DOES new [re: twister]  

I know, I was referring to Rock and Roll with Me. I just didn't make that clear.

“Consistency is the last resort of the unimaginative.” -Oscar Wilde

wannabebowie
(mortal with potential)
05/28/02 04:40 AM
Re: Rebel Rebel doesn't fit? new [re: JonnyManic]  

Could not agree with you more. That transition (guitar noise at the end of 'Sweet Thing' into the opening of 'Rebel Rebel') blew me away over 25 years ago and it still does to this day. Even my wife, who is not particularly into Bowie, loves it.



SillyBoyBlue
(crash course raver)
06/13/02 08:23 PM
bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro new [re: GlitterTrash]  

"Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (reprise)" might be Bowie's best song..."We Are the Dead" is a classic, but the rest is shit

See them as they really are!

SwedishDuke
(absolute beginner )
06/17/02 07:17 AM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: LittleWonder17]  

I think the album is one of the best he ever made. Of course he could not play the guitar with such a maverick flair as Mick Ronson. But I guess that was not the point with this album or else Bowie would have gotten a better guitarplayer. Personally I think his solo in the end of "Sweet Thing" is marvelous. Also I welcome his raunchy guitar it's part of changing the sound from the well cleaned rock n roll from The Spiders From Mars era. Altough many people consider Rock N Roll with me as filler I can only partly agree on that. Because both Rebel Rebel and Rock N Roll with me was supposed to be in a musical about Ziggy Stardust wich never reached further than the sketchboard. Rebel Rebel don't fit into the albums concept BUT since it's one of his best songs this is a fact often overlooked. Rock N Roll with me is a pop song...granted. But I welcome it since everything else on the album is dark and a total bummer I like his grand, crooning on that one.

Sweet Thing / Candidate / Sweet Thing (reprise) is his best long song together with the Titletrack from Station To Station. I think Diamond Dogs was an enormous influence on the goth movement and I totally love this album.

Apart from Station To Station and Scary Monsters this is Bowies masterpiece.



ukheir
(grinning soul)
06/21/02 06:57 AM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: SwedishDuke]  

In reply to:

Sweet Thing / Candidate / Sweet Thing (reprise) is his best long song together with the Titletrack from Station To Station.


I agree, if you add the Cygnet Committe and the Width of the Circle to the list...

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thomaswood
(mortal with potential)
06/24/02 09:20 PM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: Glitterbot]  

I have alot of respect for the Bowiephile who identifies Diamond Dogs as their favorite Bowie record. It's dated sure, but only in the best possible sense of the word. The demos are really fun. and yes, Rock'nroll With me is the worst song on it but thats only proof of how great the album is. So sleazy and fucked the guitar is so primitive/brillant. I love how every once and a while Bowie turns to his right hand man and says no you're not on this one. Rhyming paper maiche with Charlie Manson, Cassius Clay was pure creativity. The album cover, dog dick even air brushed out, was just so over the top. Almost never in my rotating favorite Bowie album category but always somewhere right behind the other classics. You know which album I've always sort of regarded as doing the same sort of thing for some reason? The Man Who Sold the World. The cartoon cover for TMWSTW is probably one of my all time favorite record sleeves.



monkeypunch2
(grinning soul)
06/26/02 04:27 AM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: Glitterbot]  

Diamond Dogs is my very favorite album and in my opinion it is a concept album of the highest calibur. Years ago when I first heard the whole thing I got the idea that it was perhaps a prequel to the novel 1984. This was my interpretation...(ps, please don't be to critical, as I used to use too many drugs when I listened to this album lol)
The album opens just after the great war mentioned in the book, 'as the last few corpses lay rotting in the slimy thoroughfare' with 'tribes coveting the highest of the sterile skyscrapers like packs of dogs'. This is New York after this apocolypse and the title song is a warning to those who might wander away from the protection of their clans at night, 'The diamond dogs are poachers and they hide behind trees. Hunt you to the ground they will.' The Diamond dogs are the gangs which rule this wild and lawless ruin. There are love songs in the middle which fit the mood of this world. Is the protagonist just trying to find happiness in this violent environment or is he a diamond dog himself who finds himself loving something other than violence and death for the first time? We Are The Dead suggests that this character has been changed by his love and now looks on the world that he and his have created from the ashes with remource and shame, 'Something kind of hit me today. I looked at you and wondered if you saw things my way? People will hold us to blame; It hit me today, it hit me today.' Perhaps this character is the one who comes up with a plan to bring order to all this chaos. The song Big Brother is all about the people turning away from the way of the diamond dogs and building a new society...'Don't live for last year's capers; give me steel, give me steel, give me pulsars unreal!' 'He'll build a glass asylum
with just a hint of mayhem. He'll build a better whirlpool. We'll be living from sin, then we can really begin.' This is the beginning of the society in George Orwell's 1984, and the last noise on the album, an admitted glitch in the recording, was kept on because it perfectly forshadows that this new 'Big Brother' society might not be the panecia they are hoping for...

What do y'all think?


monkeyPUNCH
(go punch a monkey!)





AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
06/26/02 12:36 PM
Links new [re: Glitterbot]  

For those interested in further interpretation, here are some recommended sources:

pianocraft's The futuristic slang in "Diamond Dogs"

pianocraft's They hide behind trees

Jonthan Greatorex's Diamond Dogs: The Decadance

Please sign the petition: get.to/bowiedownunder

th0mas
(electric tomato)
06/29/02 12:20 PM
Re: Links new [re: Adam]  

thanks, adam. that's exactly what i wanted to look for on google after reading the thread. :-)

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SwedishDuke
(absolute beginner )
07/06/02 11:50 AM
Re: What do you think about Diamond Dogs? new [re: ukheir]  

"I agree, if you add the Cygnet Committe and the Width of the Circle to the list..."

Yes I have to admit that both Cygnet Committe and Width Of A Circle are good 'long songs' or what the hell you should call it =) But since both "Station To Station" and "Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (reprise)" are more mature pieces of music I rate them a bit higher altough they miss the wonderful breece of youth.

More to the point of the album how ever it seems to consist of a large piece of long songs. Like Future Legend/Diamond Dogs; Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (Reprise) (and to some extent Rebel Rebel altough this baby breaks to mood set by Sweet Thing); Big Brother/Chant Of The Ever Circling Skeleteal Family. It's pretty cool how the album really is a collection of long suites =)




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