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pianocraft
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/23/02 09:03 AM
Bowie's Anti-War Literature  

One of the most consistent themes in Bowie's ouevre is the horror of war. I feel that Diamond Dogs may be one of Bowie's most powerful anti-war statements.

The theme of this album could be that war causes mutations- mutations of the body, mutations of the mind and mutations of the spirit.

Literal mutations of the body; look at the cover.

Mutations of the mind are created by war: the landscape is so desolate that the demoralized people are crying out for a Big Brother to lead them: "Someone to shame us."

Mutations of the spirit are conveyed by the extreme decadence throughout this album: "Anyone out there, anytime." War has created a sense of disillusionment and meaninglessness.

David Bowie's Diamond Dogs: truly an immense anti-war statement.



Candidate_23
(mortal with potential)
03/23/02 02:28 PM
Re: Bowie's Anti-War Literature new [re: pianocraft]  

On the contary, I dont think that Bowie was anti-war at all at that time in his life. All the songs that he wrote about war seemed light hearted (ie,Rubber Band) and I think the reason he was so fascinated with Big Brother and 1984 was because he realised that a state goverened in such a way can actualy be sucesful. Where the wars are made up anyway.

And we can force you to be free.

Sysiyo
(acolyte)
03/25/02 07:04 AM
Re: Bowie's Anti-War Literature new [re: Candidate_23]  

Au contraire, Candidate_23, I do think Pianocraft is right. It is true that Bowie was fascinated by fascism, but if you have read 1984, it gives the album an entire different feeling. I for one in fact regret reading 1984 in a way, since now I cannot listen to Diamond Dogs without getting an extremely bad feeling.

And are you sure you mean Rubber Band as a war-related song. I haven't listened to the song for a while, but I don't remember it to be a war-related song.

Mirage!

Candidate_23
(mortal with potential)
03/25/02 02:07 PM
Re: Bowie's Anti-War Literature new [re: Sysiyo]  

I have actually read 1984, several times in fact. And I know that Diamond Dogs was comprise largley of songs which Bowie intended to be used in a musical of 1984. But I never got a terrible feeling whilst reading 1984 or listening to the album, its just another way of life and an ultimate religion. Though there was war in 1984 it was only a minor theme of the novel used only to show how little people knew of the truth as Winston thought that the war was most likely made up. So I dont see how Diamond Dogs is anti-war.

"In the 14-18 war I went to sea" ---(In the 14-18 war there was not a navy)


And we can force you to be free.

PHOENIX
(crash course raver)
03/25/02 06:06 PM
Re: Bowie's Anti-War Literature new [re: Candidate_23]  

In reply to:

(In the 14-18 war there was not a navy)


Ang on a second! In the Great War England had a mighty navy, there just wasn't as much fighting as in the Second World War.

Look at that stuff go all over the place
Buzz Aldrin

Candidate_23
(grinning soul)
03/26/02 05:48 PM
Re: Bowie's Anti-War Literature new [re: PHOENIX]  

Sorry, thats just what we were told in history, but historys all just a version of events vaugly remembered anyway.

But please, please can anybody tell me am I missing something in Diamond Dogs coz I cant see the link with war!

I listend to the album again and the only thing I really got was "Putting pain in a stranger".

This is really winding me up, Ive even asked my mam who,though shes not computer literate is one of the origonal Bowie fans who got into him way before he got famous.

And we can force you to be free.

twister
(stardust savant)
03/26/02 10:32 PM
Love In A Doorway new [re: Candidate_23]  

In reply to:

I listend to the album again and the only thing I really got was "Putting pain in a stranger".


I hate to be the one to corrupt you, candidate, but the act of "putting pain in a stranger" is referring to a sexual encounter.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

pianocraft
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/27/02 11:28 AM
Re: Bowie's Anti-War Literature new [re: Candidate_23]  

Candidate_ 23:

I respect and appreciate your thoughtful replies to my post. However, I feel you are missing a crucial difference between Bowie's Diamond Dogs and 1984.

The difference is, that in Diamond Dogs, a terrible holocaust has taken place: "And in the death, as the last few corpses lay rotting...."

The entire Diamond Dogs album is informed by the effects of a devastating war. Diamond Dogs is Bowie's quintessential anti-war album.




Lacrimans
(grinning soul)
04/01/02 03:15 AM
Re: Bowie's Anti-War Literature new [re: pianocraft]  

Hey now, don't forget David Bowie's "Bombers". That was not really a silly song like "Rubber Band".

This is your shadow on my wall
This is my flesh and blood
This is what I could've been


twister
(acolyte)
04/01/02 09:38 AM
War Is Silly new [re: Lacrimans]  

In reply to:

"Bombers". That was not really a silly song like "Rubber Band".


Yes it was.

Seemed a good idea
To drop a bomb on the wasteland here
Only one man could be seen
And he was old and so serene
"Die!" said the general
"Cobblers!" said the man.

All remarkably silly.

I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it.

Lacrimans
(grinning soul)
04/01/02 03:06 PM
Re: War Is Silly new [re: twister]  

Hmm. Seemed more like sarcasm to me. Ah well.

This is your shadow on my wall
This is my flesh and blood
This is what I could've been


Sysiyo
(acolyte)
04/02/02 05:57 AM
At least at the hands of Bowie... new [re: Lacrimans]  

In reply to:

Hmm. Seemed more like sarcasm to me. Ah well.


Now I was going to make a reply based on the humorosity (is there sucha a word?) of this line: A-bombs, H-bombs, even very small ones, but it seems I've gloriously misheard it (eight bombs, six bombs, even pretty small ones. Now that would be silly), so just ignore this part of the post.

One thing Bowie is good at is making songs about terrible subjects and making them sound happy. Bombers, She's Got Medals, Zeroes, Makin' My Love are perfact examples.

Mirage!


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