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Suffy
(grinning soul)
09/11/02 12:35 PM
Velvet Goldmine  

I recently saw the movie and didn't quite know what to think of it. Though Man Who Fell To Earth is worse, I wasn't too impressed with this one either. But that's because I didn't pay too much attention to it. Ewan is a great actor, tho.

My question is: Is this story REALLY based on David Bowie's life?

The madman slipped the hook on the outside screen door...

Glitterbot
(crash course raver)
09/11/02 04:19 PM
that movie blows new [re: Suffy]  

I made a thread about this crappy movie awhile ago.
But I'm not going to bother to find it.
the bottom line was, it was bad and there weren't enough sex scenes between the boys to make it watchable.
and yes, it's totally taken from bowie's life, though I think bowie had more charisma than a mop.

Hell has all the good bands anyway.

Sysiyo
(acolyte)
09/12/02 01:53 AM
Re: Velvet Goldmine new [re: Suffy]  

In reply to:

Though Man Who Fell To Earth is worse, I wasn't too impressed with this one either.


I beg to disagree with you there. TMWFTE is a great movie. Velvet Goldmine was a good attempt, but the fact that it shamelessly copies Bowie's life (and yet does not) makes the movie crash before it has even lifted off.

Bahnhof Zum Bahnhof

heathenrays
(grinning soul)
09/12/02 05:32 AM
Re: Velvet Goldmine new [re: Sysiyo]  

The real reason Velvet Goldmine is crap is because the music is awful. They could have done with copying the musical styles of the period as well as observing the dress styles a bit better.



kellyjean
(kook)
09/12/02 07:39 AM
Re: Velvet Goldmine new [re: Suffy]  

Never saw the movie
I wish i could. well, maybe someday

"If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad"

JonnyManic
(cracked actor)
09/12/02 04:48 PM
It's Nic Roeg, heathen! new [re: Suffy]  

In reply to:

Though Man Who Fell To Earth is worse, I wasn't too impressed with this one



Methinks you need to absorb more "proper" cinema and broaden your horizons Repeat after me: "Labyrinth is a muppet film for kids..."

Shut up! It's Daddy, you shithead! Where's my bourbon?

Suffy
(grinning soul)
09/13/02 00:41 AM
Re: It's Nic Roeg, heathen! new [re: JonnyManic]  

TMWFTE is not my type of movie, as I'm sure I'm not your type of person for not liking this movie, but methinks you should better learn to accept opinions and move on.

Velvet Goldmine was slow and depressing, dark and dreary, but hey, whatever floats ya boat.

The madman slipped the hook on the outside screen door...

JonnyManic
(cracked actor)
09/13/02 11:55 AM
ooh, shirty new [re: Suffy]  

In reply to:

TMWFTE is not my type of movie, as I'm sure I'm not your type of person for not liking this movie, but methinks you should better learn to accept opinions and move on.


I'm the fucking champion of people having their own opinion, cheers. I meant what I said, you should assimilate more alternative cinema and maybe then you'll better appreciate this kind of film that requires work on the part of the viewer, that doesn't spoonfeed it's audience.

But fuck it, that's just my opinion

Shut up! It's Daddy, you shithead! Where's my bourbon?

Suffy
(grinning soul)
09/15/02 04:24 PM
But fuck it, that's just my opinion new [re: JonnyManic]  

Exactly my point. :D
Moving on?

The madman slipped the hook on the outside screen door...

GlitterFairyXB
(mortal with potential)
09/17/02 00:26 AM
Re: Velvet Goldmine new [re: Suffy]  

I personally thing Velvet Goldmine is actually a good movie, true it fuck's up David life story, makes no sense, and is garbages but is that really so bad? If its entertaining , why not love it.



StrangeDrugs
(kook)
09/20/02 10:31 AM
VG vs TMWFTE????? new [re: GlitterFairyXB]  

I really don't think that TMWFTE and Velvet Goldmine can be compared since TMWFTE was a film starring David Bowie, and Velvet Goldmine was an unauthorized, semi-fictional account of David Bowie's life, and glam rock as a whole.

I like Velvet Goldmine, as background noise. Like, when a group of friends are sitting together, and you want SOMETHING on, but you know you're not going to watch it. VG is nice because it's constant music and fun things to look at.
It is not not anywhere near the level of TMWFTE, or EVEN, ffor that matter, Labyrinth, Linguini Incident, or any others. These movies have in common the fact that BOWIE WAS IN THEM. VG was just entertainment, fluff and glitter.

JACCI

Richard Cory went home last night and put a bullet through his head.

anisette
(electric tomato)
09/21/02 00:29 AM
VG vs LI????? new [re: StrangeDrugs]  

In reply to:

It is not not anywhere near the level of TMWFTE, or EVEN, ffor that matter, Labyrinth, Linguini Incident, or any others


you have GOT to be kidding. Labyrinth and the Linguini Incident BETTER than Velvet Goldmine?!?

Are you saying that just because David Bowie is in these movies that makes them automatically better than Velvet Goldmine?

Velvet Goldmine has its flaws, its worst one being Jonathan Rhys-Myers's characterization, but as a whole it is far better than the silly mess that is the Linguini Incident...and Labyrinth, well, I'm not even going to get into that.

ain't no use in complainin' when you got a job to do

StrangeDrugs
(kook)
09/21/02 09:49 AM
Re: VG vs LI????? new [re: anisette]  

I am saying that these movies can't be compared in the way everyone was comparing them because its apples and oranges. David Bowie was IN TMWFTE. He had NOTHING to do with Velvet Goldmine.

Richard Cory went home last night and put a bullet through his head.

ICanSparkle
(absolute beginner )
09/23/02 02:05 PM
Re: Velvet Goldmine new [re: Suffy]  

I love Velvet Goldmine, it's one of my favourite films. What's wrong with it? It's entertaining.



Glitterbot
(crash course raver)
09/23/02 05:51 PM
it IS boring new [re: ICanSparkle]  

See, that's what's wrong with the movie. If it was dumb but entertaining, i'd be cool with it, but it's boring. It's a lot like Almost Famous in that respect (well, in a lot of respects) in that you'd think, there's no way a movie about this won't be entertaining, and then...bleh. Maybe try holding our attention with an ACTUAL sex scene, people!

Hell has all the good bands anyway.

JonnyManic
(cracked actor)
09/24/02 08:31 AM
Shagging new [re: Glitterbot]  

In reply to:

Maybe try holding our attention with an ACTUAL sex scene, people!


There was me thinking some style and plotting was in order. Maybe you should try watching more porn. Or Baise Moi.

Shut up! It's Daddy, you shithead! Where's my bourbon?

Glitterbot
(crash course raver)
09/25/02 06:05 PM
MORE porn? new [re: JonnyManic]  

Well, I'm saying it needed either a plot or more sex. Unfortunately, it lacked both those things.

Hell has all the good bands anyway.

Starlite
(kook)
10/02/02 04:31 AM
Re: MORE porn? new [re: Glitterbot]  

I honestly think VG is the most intelligent/complex film I've ever seen (or at least one of them). It's just necessary to first get beyond that idea of "It's copying Bowie but isn't!!" It neither needs more plot (it can't possibly fit more--it's crammed to overflowing with stuff!) nor sex... *plus* it's entertaining.

Unfortunately, a lot of people see only the "entertaining" part and don't bother to look for what's behind it. Funny, a lot of good movies suffer from being considered "too boring" by the general public: VG is the only one I know that suffers from being "too fun."


---------------------------------
"We are all crazy: some of us are just better at it than others."


abe11825
(electric tomato)
11/01/02 09:13 PM
... new [re: Suffy]  

In a 1999 Spin interview, Bowie "didn't think [Jonathan Rhys-Myers] was remotely like me. He was a pretty good looking boy, but I didn't notice if he had a personality. I really hope I was never like that."

Bowie did not want Todd Haynes (the director) using any of his music because he was working on a glam-era piece himself. (he was working on re-inventing a Ziggy piece)

"Q: Did you see [film director] Todd Haynes' '70s glam rock homage, Velvet Goldmine?"
Bowie: "Yes, and I think that if he made it a completely gay movie it would have been much better. The gay areas were something he handled very well. The rest of it was pure bullocks. For me it felt like the early '80s -- Steve Strange, Adam Ant, Boy George, that whole mannequin thing. Glam wasn't like that at all. It was Woolworth's. Woolworth's posing as Jean Genet. The ideal collision of vulgarity and high-mindedness. He didn't get it."

**

So as you can tell, Bowie didn't like the movie either. Oh well.
I kinda liked it. It was interestingly bad.

__________________________________________
Jimmy: I am Cry The Beloved!
Amy: No you're not. you're just washed up.
Jimmy: Supastar!
Amy: *mumbles under breath: "Snot"*

96dbFreak
(cracked actor)
11/01/02 11:21 PM
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Re: Velvet Goldmine new [re: Suffy]  

Velvet Goldmine was a piece of self-indulgent, egotistical, depressing, miserable, badly-made twaddle that Bowie, quite sensibly, wouldnít touch with a barge pole.

Donít get me wrong, I wanted to like it. 96dbWife thought she was doing me a favour when she brought it back from Blockbuster. I did too. I settled in to watch it, expecting it to be great. Iíd already borrowed the soundtrack from the library and I thought it sounded pretty good (very nostalgic). OK, Bowie opted out, but that was because it was too close to home and he wanted to do his own movie, wasnít it?. After about an hour I realised why David had said ďNein dankeĒ. It was crap. Not only was the story needlessly depressing, but the sound quality of much of the dialog left a great deal to be desired (and heard).

Iím old enough to have been about the same age as the central character and I experienced that same period of time, in Britain, as a Bowie fan. I donít recall it being as gloomy as that. I remember it as a time of great joy, hope and excitement at glam rock and Bowieís leading role in it. Here was something that was sweeping away the tedious west-coast-folk-rock-long-haired-proto-metal-prog-rock-twenty- minute-guitar-solo tedious bollocks that we were so BORED with (a job that my generation completed with punk rock a couple of years later). The period 72-74 was wonderful. But instead we are treated to the manic depressive version of things with the added, puzzling, side plot that Oscar Wilde (a bit of a hero of mine) was an alien from outer space????? Do me a favour.

So the writer had a hard time coming to terms with his sexual orientation. So he appropriates Bowieís story to try to effect some kind of catharsis on celluloid at our (and Bowieís) expense? Get therapy you twat. I want my money back!

Stu
This is er..a new song, itís not recorded yet, sícalled Iím Telling Lies. But Iím not. Yes I am.


Glitterbot
(crash course raver)
11/01/02 11:52 PM
Re: Velvet Goldmine new [re: 96dbFreak]  

hmmm. very subtle with the recycled post and attachment.

Skinner: Why don't you say the pledge?
Bart:
Hey America, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind. America.

abe11825
(electric tomato)
11/02/02 10:12 AM
Velvet Spacetime new [re: 96dbFreak]  

In reply to:

Bowie opted out, but that was because it was too close to home and he wanted to do his own movie, wasnít it?


He was working on a glam era project that propelled Ziggy Stardust into a "three headed hydra- movie, theatrical production and an internet piece" which is still under works, I think. *scratches head*

__________________________________________
Jimmy: I am Cry The Beloved!
Amy: No you're not. you're just washed up.
Jimmy: Supastar!
Amy: *mumbles under breath: "Snot"*

96dbFreak
(cracked actor)
11/02/02 03:34 PM
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Re: Velvet Spacetime new [re: abe11825]  

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He was working on a glam era project


I wouldn't bet on it. The reliability of anything that David has ever told any journalist is always questionable.

Stu
This is er..a new song, itís not recorded yet, sícalled Iím Telling Lies. But Iím not. Yes I am.


96dbFreak
(cracked actor)
11/05/02 03:02 AM
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Re: Velvet Spacetime new [re: 96dbFreak]  

If there's any Aussies interested in getting a copy of VG, HMV currently have the DVD cheap in their 2 for $50 pre-Christmas promotion.

Stu
This is er..a new song, itís not recorded yet, sícalled Iím Telling Lies. But Iím not. Yes I am.



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