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TKR
(absolute beginner)
10/18/02 05:16 AM
Re: open the dog new [re: Ande]  

Just to let you spelling "fanatics" know :-)

At the 1996 Outside tour in Copenhagen, which I attended, a (big) sign was placed hanging from the lightning rig stating "Ouvre le Chien" in that exact spelling. Below it was an old table with some old books on it, and he performed several songs sitting at the table and/or lying on the table.
Without much reflection it seemed to make sense in the context of songs performed that night such as "The Hearts Filthy Lesson", "Scary Monsters", "Voyeur of Utter Destruction" etc.
-Tomas




PHOENIX
(cracked actor)
10/18/02 06:53 AM
Easy Interpretation new [re: bibiStardust]  

I always half believed, after finding out on this site that the words translated to "open the dog", that Bowie was simply inserting something nonsensical into the dialogue of the song's character.

If you think about it, the song relates to us the words of someone who is not really clinically insane, but feels more at home with people who are. It's no real stretch then, after "talking to the wall", and doing other things to make him appear worthy of being admitted to this locked up society, that he would chant some kind of nonsensical verse.

If you were to examine some random scribblings of those who are mad, they would invariably turn out to be only comprehensible to the author, and contain no real deeper meaning in an intellectual way. They may indeed just be plain nonsense or almost random.

The chien-dog-<Italian>-Cane-Cane Asylum interpretation is a bit of a stretch for me. I really feel that he was aiming at something that wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.

2. And the eyes of them were both opened and they knew they were both naked, and Adam said to her, 'Stand back, I don't know how big this is going to get.'

bibiStardust
(wild eyed peoploid)
10/18/02 07:04 AM
Re: open the dog new [re: Ande]  

Well this is very interesting but i can't see in my old micro-robert poche this sense of ouvre as "product of work".I think it should be "ouvrier" or "oeuvre" for product of work...
Anyway,the translation of "chien" here is very interesting,i didn't think about that at all ! Félicitation!

About the pronunciation of the sentence "ouvrez le chien" is not really clear...if i hear it very carefuly i can get " ouvrez lé chienne",and i think Bowie never told the real sentence he sings here...

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SenselessThing
(grinning soul)
10/18/02 09:51 AM
Re: open the dog new [re: bibiStardust]  

In reply to:

ouvrez lé chienne


This would be the feminine form of chien, which translates to "bitch". Which would be a whole new kettle or weirdness.

If any of us ever meet the man himself, we should ask him what it means. (That is if we can talk at all rather than just going into shock like screaming teeny boppers, which would be me.)

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AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
10/18/02 10:57 AM
"Doggy Songs" and their perverse serenity new [re: PHOENIX]  

To understand why this phrase was reprised on the Outside Tour, we need to look closer at the relevant album.......

In reply to:

[phoenix]
If you were to examine some random scribblings of those who are mad, they would invariably turn out to be only comprehensible to the author, and contain no real deeper meaning in an intellectual way. They may indeed just be plain nonsense or almost random.


Bowie has expressed a fascination with the insane, not only through the asylum inmates ("The Angel Man") that appear on his album but also the fact his music has been informed by their speech patterns. Take the Ramona A Stone segue, for instance. Bowie talks about "ape men with metal parts" and "painting the funny colored English". Aided by a lyrical cut up program, he demonstrates precisely the disjointed absurdity that only the insane can justify.

It's quite obvious that these outsider artists don't have the parameters that are placed on most artists....Their motivation for painting and sculpting comes froma different place than that of the average artist who's sane on society's terms. The lesson to learn from Outsider art was that the artist should be primal. Technique or virtuosity didn't matter; that which was unformed and screaming inside of you, waiting to be released, was the real essence of the creativity.

"Ouvre Le Chien" is clearly Bowie's moto for the Outsider, hence him using the phrase as a banner on the said tour.

It could be said that "Open the dog" is about releasing the animal, primal instinct, screaming inside the heart of the artiste.

During the Outside Tour, Bowie began referring to his songs on stage as "doggy songs".

These are the songs of mad dog Bowie. Let's hope they return to the fore once again.

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Ande
(mortal with potential)
10/18/02 01:35 PM
Re: open the dog new [re: bibiStardust]  

Hi Bibi,

I agree that the meaning is not clear, perhaps it was deliberately made to be unclear or at least equivocal. But the lack of clarity is what makes it fun and interesting to play with.

I just hope that the meaning is not supposed to be "open the dog." That just sounds way too vivesectionist for my tastes. Another poster says there is a French group that calls themslves "Ouvre le Chien." Do you know anything about this?

If I recall correctly, there was a time when there was a popular slang meaning for "chien" that meant "to have style" or to "be cool and chic." The derivation of that particular expression was related to "chic." I always thought that it was related to the English slang popular sometime around the 30s or so that included "putting on the dog" as a reference to what were at the time very fashionable dog-skin gloves! Yick!

Do you know if the spelling of "ouvre" is something that came from an "official" Bowie lyric sheet, or are we all just conjecturing wildly? My only source comes from my copy of BOS & it didn't come with written lyrics.

Ande



Ande
(mortal with potential)
10/18/02 01:40 PM
Re: open the dog new [re: TKR]  

You're so lucky to have seen this! "Open the dog" sounds so gross to me, it reminds me of a dissection lab. If he put up that sign at a concert where songs from Outside was being performed, though, that meaning sure would fit the ambience. Ughh!



bibiStardust
(wild eyed peoploid)
10/20/02 08:17 AM
Re: open the dog new [re: Ande]  

"there is a French group that calls themslves "Ouvre le Chien."" yes i already heard that and i know they do theatre: it's never about real things (like Ubu et le Roi),in french we say they do de l'absurde,i don't know the translation for this, but they're not popular and they play on small stage...

""chien" that meant "to have style" or to "be cool and chic."", well i don't think so...these are the different use of "chien" in french.First, chien means dog."être chien" means Being mean or bad, "chienne de vie" ou "vie de chien" mean that our life sucks,it's also a piece of a gun like someone already said.
It's often refering to something negative when it's about someone!
i hope you're smarter now ;-), i probly forgot some but i will put them later!

It's hard to be gay when you're in a fucker's world

eraserhead
(cracked actor)
10/22/02 03:54 AM
Re: "Doggy Songs" and their perverse serenity new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

It could be said that "Open the dog" is about releasing the animal, primal instinct, screaming inside the heart of the artiste.

During the Outside Tour, Bowie began referring to his songs on stage as "doggy songs".


I think this "open the dog" mentality was there during the Earthling tour as well. I see those two tours as being very connected to each other, like Part 1 and Part 2 of the same gothic drama.

When Bowie was in Sweden in July 1997, a reporter asked him what kind of songs he would play at the Lollipop festival in Stockholm. Bowie replied: "Big, long fat ones, with great big tentacles on. Those kind of songs."




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pussycatraynor
(crash course raver)
11/22/02 01:44 PM
Re: Easy Interpretation new [re: PHOENIX]  

i agree... i think he speaks French well and, being a fan of french writers like celine, genet, et al, I think too it was, as you said "simply inserting something nonsensical into the dialogue of the song's character."

Zane being a twist on sane, and a harbringer of other Z's... and then the rest was something born out of "ok- what rhymes with zane, harhar".

If you've ever seen the Buddha of Suburbia video (the phrase is reused in the song), he grins and shakes his head naughtily as it is sung, rolling his eyes as it's rephrased, as if to say "It was a JOKE".

thank u (curtsey).


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