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JtF
(mortal with potential)
09/26/00 12:58 PM
Re: The Return of the Thin White Duke new [re: Einar]  

Now why would Bowie singing "Heil!" appeal to you so much, Einar? Just curious.



Einar
(electric tomato)
09/26/00 02:17 PM
Heil new [re: JtF]  

In reply to:

Now why would Bowie singing "Heil!" appeal to you so much, Einar? Just curious.


Well, first of all: It's simply amusing. Very politically incorrect, I love that. Second: I think Bowie's fascist tendencies in the mid-seventies are immensely interesting stuff.

Man is something that is to be surpassed - Friedrich Nietzsche

Amaryllis
(wild eyed peoploid)
09/27/00 03:55 AM
Re: Station to Station new [re: sonofsilence]  

Sorry, sonofsilence, but I couldn't find my copy anymore, I'm planning to move and most of my stuff is just somewhere. So I wasn't able to look up the printing history. But I read it in the early 80s and I checked one of the internet shops and they offered a copy which dated to 1980 but it wasn't offered as first edition. So it was probably published in the late 70s.



Amaryllis
(wild eyed peoploid)
09/27/00 04:03 AM
Re: Fascists new [re: Einar]  

Just to get that right: Do you simply love political incorrect people or do you admire Bowie's (supposed) fascist tendencies?
Personally, I feel the impulse to retch whenever I hear that word and I can't find it amusing at all.







Einar
(electric tomato)
09/27/00 06:55 AM
Fascist tendencies new [re: Amaryllis]  

In reply to:

Do you simply love political incorrect people or do you admire Bowie's (supposed) fascist tendencies?
Personally, I feel the impulse to retch whenever I hear that word and I can't find it amusing at all.


I don't think we need to doubt that Bowie had fascist tendencies. Read any Bowie biography and you'll find just that. I think politically incorrect people are a necessity to our society. We need constant opposition to "accepted truths". I think Bowie compared himself to Hitler tongue-in-cheek. But in many ways, his fans had made him Hitler. I think his "Sieg Heil" salute at Victoria Station was the perfect statement to obsessive fans.

Man is something that is to be surpassed - Friedrich Nietzsche

EuropeanCanon
(grinning soul)
09/27/00 08:07 AM
Re: Fascist tendencies new [re: Einar]  

I disagree, Einar. I think 'fascist tendencies' is the wrong phrase to describe Bowie back then. There is no doubt whatsoever that Bowie had an interest in Nazis and fascism and it is easy now, as it was at that time, to misconstrue Bowie's fascination into an espousal of fascism.

".... And also I wanted to get away from this whole magic and cabbala thing that I was into. I was just looking for some answers. Some secret. Some life force. I had this religous fervour. The search for the Holy Grail. That was my real fascination with the Nazis. The whole thing that in the Thirties they had come over to Glastonbury Tor. And naively, politically, I didn't even think about what they had done." David Bowie 1993

"....I had this morbid obsession with the so-called 'mysticism' of the Third Reich. The stories about the SS coming over to England in search of the Holy Grail, that was the aspect that really appealed to me in my beleagured and drugged state. Absurd as it may seem now, it just didn't occur to me that what I was doing had any relevance." David Bowie 1995

Allied to an interest in Goebbels, Albert Speer, Nazi symbolism and Bowie's alleged and infamous Nazi salute it is perhaps understandable to equate Bowie with 'fascist tendencies', but I personally don't subscribe to this.

In reply to:

I think politically incorrect people are a necessity to our society. We need constant opposition to "accepted truths".


That's a good point well made. I wholeheartedly agree !!

Edited by EuropeanCanon on 9/27/00 08:26 AM.



TumnusTF46
(grinning soul)
09/27/00 10:03 AM
Re: Fascists new [re: Amaryllis]  

for someone who has the impulse to wretch whenever they hear the word "fascism" that is a particularly fascist viewpoint to hold--to hate a WORD, without regard for the way it's used.

"Anybody can have common sense, provided that they have no imagination"

Amaryllis
(wild eyed peoploid)
09/27/00 10:33 AM
Re: Fascists new [re: TumnusTF46]  

Yeah, you're right, it really does no good to hate a word. Yet I have to admit that it evokes very strong emotions within me, feelings of helplessness and terror. That shows again that words are potent stuff, if they can do such things to a person. I'll try to be more rational about it in the future.



EuropeanCanon
(grinning soul)
09/27/00 03:39 PM
Station To Station new [re: Amaryllis]  

The following is a quote from Bowie taken verbatim from 'Q' magazine (Feb '97);
" The Station To Station track itself is very much concerned with the stations of the cross. All the references within the piece are to do with the Kabbala
(a set of mystical instructions supposedly given to Moses on Mount Sinai and often said to have links with ritual magick). It's the nearest album to a magick treatise that I've written. I've never read a review that really sussed it. It's an extremely dark album. Miserable time to live through, I must say."



crimsondynamo
(grinning soul)
09/27/00 07:48 PM
Re: Station To Station new [re: EuropeanCanon]  

You know, it doesn't sound like that dark of an album to me, more helpless, a cry for help maybe, but not that dark...




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