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strangeDivine
(cracked actor)
04/24/03 10:54 PM
"Strange Drugs" new  

No I'm not talking about the poster (hi sweetie!). During one of my internet wanderings tonight, I came to the website of the First Church of Satan. I decided to check out the message board and found a thread discussing Aleister Crowley. I have not read anything by Crowley, but I was led to this quote by him:

"We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of Kings: stamp down the wretched and the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world...I am of the snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs...They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self ...Be strong oh man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture.... The kings of the earth shall be kings forever: the slaves shall serve.
"Them that seek to entrap thee, to over throw thee, them attack without pity or quarter; and destroy them utterly. I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned and dead! Amen. Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not: I hate the consoled and the consoler!"
- Aleister Crowley, The Book of the Law

The message of this excerpt is very fascistic in nature, and not at all out of tune with the theme of 'Scream Like A Baby.' And we've all heard the rumors of the teutonic occultic obsessions of the Third Reich. Now, it's extremely likely that Bowie could have put the words strange and drugs together without having read this book. But it is a very striking combination of words in my opinion. And it's not completely out of the question that Bowie was inspired by Crowly, especially considering his references in 'Quicksand.'

I'm especially interested in imput from LaughingGnoome, considering her satanic animal sacrifice interpretation of 'Bewlay Brothers.'

That's all.


I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas


LaughingGnoome
(electric tomato)
04/25/03 08:33 PM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: strangeDivine]  

I dont know much about Crowley, but that is a very good interpretation. "Scream Like A Baby" - The very name summons up an apparent contempt for the "misfits" and the "weak", or gentle.

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The kings of the earth


Reminds me of the "Kings of oblivion", in Bewlay Brothers. Yes Bowie mentioned Crowley and his "Golden Dawn" organisation in Quicksand. Hunky Dory is a very strange album at times.

Although i dont like to think a bright guy like Bowie would have to rely on a quote from someone like Crowley to make a lyric, unless he was making a specific point. However "drugs" do "strange" things to you... i guess, so the possibility of co-incidence exists. But given the overall nature of the paragraph by Crowley and the remarkable similiarity to the attitudes of the psycho's in the song, it could very well be true.

By the way, StrangeDivine, i have come to the conclusion lately that your own very namesake means something very similiar to "Strangedrugs". Pianocraft's excellent interpretation of Glass Spider (saying it is about a crack mother), and the following lyric from the song...

"Somewhere she glows divine"

Combined with the following Lyric from Alladin Sane.

"Sake and Strange Divine" - Meaning drink and drugs.

Interesting eh? :)

In reply to:

I'm especially interested in imput from LaughingGnoome, considering her satanic animal sacrifice interpretation of 'Bewlay Brothers.'


Is there a female gnome around here somewhere!!!??? Cant wait to shake her furry little paw. I know, we often have no way of telling the gender of other posters, perhaps my new sig will help clarify the matter in future.

As for the Bewlay Brothers, i have been wondering about the name, Bewlay is a surname, i cant think of any other possible association except 124 different types of coffee...Maybe it is about someone else.

But adding all of this toghether, the facism of one of Bowie's occultic influences, the facism of the thin white duke (who has similiar views to Crowley - and references the occult), the Bewlay Brothers, scream... etc. It perhaps says a lot about the ideas the younger Bowie toyed around with.

-Brian-

strangeDivine
(cracked actor)
04/25/03 09:09 PM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

In reply to:

But adding all of this toghether, the facism of one of Bowie's occultic influences, the facism of the thin white duke (who has similiar views to Crowley - and references the occult), the Bewlay Brothers, scream... etc. It perhaps says a lot about the ideas the younger Bowie toyed around with.


First of all, at the risk of sucking-up, you are my favorite Interpretation poster. I see Scary Monsters as a healing album. It's an album that is the bookend of the 70's era, and his life in that era. In songs like Ashes to Ashes, and Teenage Wildlife, he is wrestling with his various demons and "growing up" in a sense.

To extend the occultic metaphor, the song Scream Like A Baby is in essence an exorcism. HE and a friend are the ones being tormented by fascists. HE is the 'weak' social outcast. He has turned the tables on himself (assuming that he did toy with ideologies of superiority) He is exorcising that aspect of his personality. And ironically, that's the WEAK part of his personality. The weak, insecure, vulnerable young man David used an outward appearance of coldness to hide. And as he comes to terms with who he is, he no longer needs that mask. And he is casting it aside like so much rubbish, but making himself a victim in the magical rite of songwriting.

In reply to:

"Sake and Strange Divine" - Meaning drink and drugs.

Interesting eh? :)


Interesting indeed. :) You may very well be right about that.

In reply to:

Is there a female gnome around here somewhere!!!??? Cant wait to shake her furry little paw. I know, we often have no way of telling the gender of other posters, perhaps my new sig will help clarify the matter in future.


Many apologies! I always got a female impression from you (I believe because of your old avatar that depicted Bowie in a hat some time around the Diamond Dogs era. I think it may have come form the same photo shoot he did with William S. Burroughs.) That picture always had a feminine quality to me. So I think that's what created that impression. Now I know better!





I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas


LaughingGnoome
(electric tomato)
04/25/03 09:46 PM
Re: "Strange Drugs" [re: strangeDivine]  

In reply to:

First of all, at the risk of sucking-up, you are my favorite Interpretation poster.


Hmmm, we can perhaps discuss this further in the filthy Haiku thread . No seriously thanks, i do try...sometimes. I would certainly count you among the more worthwhile TW posters yourself.

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To extend the occultic metaphor, the song Scream Like A Baby is in essence an exorcism. HE and a friend are the ones being tormented by fascists. HE is the 'weak' social outcast.


Yes, i agree. The whole "facist" controversy haunted him i know, very hard to live something like that down. Then listen to "its no game", another very left wing song indeed, in part about the third world, the song seems to grimace in disgust at the malkovian philosophies of the thin white duke.

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(assuming that he did toy with ideologies of superiority)


I think he did, referring to himself as the "European Cannon" alone speaks of this. "European Cannon" suggesting the nature of the old relationship between the first world and the third.

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That picture always had a feminine quality to me. So I think that's what created that impression. Now I know better!


Yes i know, but in the sixties looking like that would be normal, so i dont think that was the image he was trying to convey particularly. I always liked it because mentally i fixed that image with the wild beauty of one of my fav Bowie songs "big brother". And because i was new and didnt want to stick out too much (as a normal picture probably would have!), with a "girlie" picture and all , show my feminine side .



-Brian-

strangeDivine
(cracked actor)
04/25/03 11:44 PM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

In reply to:

Yes i know, but in the sixties looking like that would be normal, so i dont think that was the image he was trying to convey particularly.


Well I've been mistaken for a member of the opposite sex in real life. So don't feel too bad. The pic in my profile is a good example.


I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas


LaughingGnoome
(electric tomato)
04/26/03 00:02 AM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: strangeDivine]  

I dont, its just an avatar, the only purpose it serves is as an immediate identification, useful so people get an impression of familiarity when relating to another poster.

Dont read too much into it




-Brian-

SenselessThing
(electric tomato)
04/26/03 01:57 AM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

In reply to:

As for the Bewlay Brothers, i have been wondering about the name, Bewlay is a surname, i cant think of any other possible association except 124 different types of coffee...Maybe it is about someone else.


Bewlay Brothers was the name of a tobacco shop where he used to hang out when he was a teenager. I read that in an interview or something.

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I've been dreaming of sleeeeeep-- and ape men with metal parts.


StrangeDrugs
(crash course raver)
04/26/03 02:08 PM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

"Sake and Strange Divine" - Meaning drink and drugs.

Interesting eh? :)




Since this thread is pretty much just a conversation between the two of you now, I don't feel bad going off topic. I came up with another possible interpretation for Greg's name a while back...Greg do you remember?

Anyway, I don't think for a second that Bowie is above lifting lyrics because they sound good...or as a very subtle sort of name-dropping.

I didn't eat today, and I'm not gonna eat tomorrow -- cos I'm gonna be a supermodel.

LaughingGnoome
(electric tomato)
04/26/03 05:48 PM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: StrangeDrugs]  

In reply to:

Since this thread is pretty much just a conversation between the two of you now, I don't feel bad going off topic. I came up with another possible interpretation for Greg's name a while back...Greg do you remember?


I believe StrangeDivine stated in the very first line, that the song is not a reference to you. The thread is not discussing you, but is discussing influences of Crowley upon the lyric of a Scary Monsters song. Paying more attention in future before posting would be wise.

And the quote you made from me is not off-topic as you seem to be suggesting, since i was demonstrating how i thought his name means something similiar to "strange drugs", the name of this thread.

Back to the topic at hand...

In reply to:

Bewlay Brothers was the name of a tobacco shop where he used to hang out when he was a teenager. I read that in an interview or something.


Thanks for that information Senseless Thing.





-Brian-

strangeDivine
(cracked actor)
04/26/03 05:55 PM
Re: "Strange Drugs" new [re: StrangeDrugs]  

In reply to:

Since this thread is pretty much just a conversation between the two of you now, I don't feel bad going off topic. I came up with another possible interpretation for Greg's name a while back...Greg do you remember?


I do remember the conversation, but I don't remember what your interpretation was. Can you tell me again?




I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas



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