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And(th)ro~femme!
(mortal with potential)
07/02/03 11:11 AM
bowie´s influeces in musichistory  

name the musical/(sub)cultural movements (no matter if 70´s 80´s or 90´s) that were highly influenced by mister wild eyes in your opinion.

(really curious of the results)




tourist
(absolute beginner )
07/02/03 01:47 PM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: And(th)ro~femme!]  

A couple of artists that spring to mind are The Dandy Warhols, Moby and Placebo. They've all been vocal about Bowie's influences.

Veuca Salt released a song called 'With David Bowie' on their 1997 album 'Eight Arms to Hold You'. The track is about wanting to grow up and be like DB. He is said to have liked the track. Lyrics follow:

With David Bowie / Veruca Salt / Eight Arms To Hold You

will it ever come?
like it did for you
like it did for you
I kinda heard you singing
oh, I never knew
no, I never knew
my heart skips around
when I hear the sound
I'm never alone
cause you're following me home
I'm falling in love
my walkman and me
with David Bowie
yeah
(you betcha)
with teenage medication
flowing through my veins
I can face the strain and
it's causing a sensation
that I can't explain
yeah, I can't explain
my heart skips around
when I hear the sound
I'm never alone
cause you're following me home
I'm falling in love
my walkman and me
with David Bowie
you want me to sing
I can, I can
you want me to play
I can, I can
you wanna be in a band
I can
I'll never be anything more than I was today
than I was today
(yeah)
and will it ever come?
like it did for you
like it did for you
I kinda heard you singing
oh, I never knew
no, I never knew
my heart skips around
when I hear the sound
I'm never alone
cause you're following me home
I'm falling in love
my best friend and me
with David Bowie
him and me
in a tree
i-n-g
yeah
like it did for you
I kinda heard you singing



zigbot
(grinning soul)
07/02/03 02:10 PM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: tourist]  

Neat lyrics on the Veruca Salt song. I've got one of their CDs, but I don't think its the one with "With Bowie" on it--I'll have to get that.

I have been listening to db on discman a lot recently, during my 20-minute walk to/from work. It does feel, at times, as though he's there "walking me home." Very sexy. I'll have to check out that song.

As for others influenced by Bowie, a short list off the top of my head: The Cure, Bauhaus, Peter Murphy, Duran Duran, Gary Numan, Beck, Psychedelic Furs.

Zigbot

And(th)ro~femme!
(mortal with potential)
07/02/03 03:08 PM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: And(th)ro~femme!]  

hmm, i agree - especially as far as placebo is concerned. but i got to add that bowie´s high-dosed influence begun MUCH earlier. it´s kind of a chian reaction. he was the ultimate pioneer for new wave artists as much as for countless undregroundish subgenres like new romantic, post punk, batcave-based goth rock, and even electronica in the end of 70´s and in the early 80´s.

these "elitist" bands like radiohead, placebo, muse etc. which are titled as indie or alternative today have their unsuperelevatable roots in 80´s wave... they have all one godfather named David Bowie.. ;) i think it´s all quite infulenced by him, -> without a doubt, he is on the very top of the creator-list for a whole genre that ramified in numerous direcrtions till today.

i thinsk my ode is finished now. ;)

if someone sees things in a differnt way (..or agrees in all poinrs) ; i´m more than ready to discuss!






"the savant contradicts the others, ...whereas the real wise man himself." (~ by the first and last modern messiah)

RabbitFighter
(cracked actor)
07/02/03 04:16 PM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: And(th)ro~femme!]  

Guess I was wrong. I assumed that Suede would be the first one to be mentioned.
By the way, i´d say that Duran Duran sound a lot more like Roxy Music than Bowie. Probably a mix of both...

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bowiegirlseye
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/02/03 04:43 PM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: And(th)ro~femme!]  

Nirvana was influeced by Bowie



revidescent
(crash course raver)
07/02/03 11:09 PM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: bowiegirlseye]  

How??????? Please explain. Cause I really don't see (or hear for that matter) the Bowie influence. Just because they cover one of his songs does not mean they're influenced by him.

Andrée-Anne

With every mistake we must surely be learning.

tourist
(absolute beginner )
07/03/03 08:19 AM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: And(th)ro~femme!]  

I understand the whole 80's new wave influences, I just pointed out Placebo/Moby/Dandy Warhols/Veruca Salt because they're current artists and i'm too young to make an accurate statement on 80's influences.
I do however have a copy of Uncut (April 2001) which contained a giant fantastic article about Bowie's Berlin residency and the following little articles:

UNDER THE INFLUENCE
The children of Bowie's Berlin albums explain their lasting appeal

MARTIN GORE, DEPECHE MODE:
"I like Bowie in general, but I really loved Low and "Heroes". They were just so out there somewhere, really atmospheric. It was commercial suicide probably, but great when they came out. It's only later that you realised that they didn't really sell that well, especially in America, because at that time alternative music hadn't happened at all. And the Iggy records around at that time, The Idiot and Lust for Life, were really important for the whole alternative scene. That was an amazingly creative period for Bowie- those four albums all actually came out within a year of each other."

STEPHEN MORRIS, NEW ORDER:
"When it came out, I thought Low was the sound of the future. When recording the Ideal For Living EP, I remember we kept asking the engineer to make the drums sound like "Speed of Life"- strangely enough he couldn't. On Lust For Life the drums sound not huge but massive! The loudest cymbals known to man, that riff! I wanted to sound like that, still do. Definitely Iggy's best. The Idiot was good, but Lust For Life was louder and better. As for "Heroes", it might just be me, but that track still makes the hairs on the back of my neck go shivery."

PHILIP GLASS:
"David and Brian were really trying to do art in music form, which was interesting to me, as I was using art music forms and moving toward a popular medium. So we were heading from different directions towards a common ground. There were a few other people- Zappa, Tangerine Dream -who were doing it. So when David started on the trilogy, the idea was around that art music could exist within the world of pop music. Unfortunately, that idea waned in the Eighties, but it was a moment of great optimism, creativity and enthusiasm."

MOBY:
"It would be hard to think of any artist's albums that have affected me more than Bowie's Berlin albums. I still listen to them and I still think they're remarkable. I don't hear a lot of 'Bowie Berlin' influence in modern music today, but I wish I did. People could do a lot worse than trying to plagiarise Low or Station To Station. My favourite Bowie album is Station To Station with "Heroes" and Low being close seconds."

FRANK BLACK:
"All those Berlin albums by Bowie and Iggy Pop, they're all kind of dark and brooding and also very arty and poetic. So many bands have used those references as influences and tried to go to Berlin themselves to capture that. The Pixies recorded a song there, at Hansa Ton studios. It's not there any more, unfortunately, but the main recording room used to be a Nazi headquarters and it had a lot of leftover orchestral instruments, including a big timpani drum. The Pixies were tempted to use that on the recording- amd I've since realized that on every record ever made at Hansa, you'll hear a timpani drum at some point."

GARY NUMAN:
"I was an Ultravox fan, the John Foxx version of the band anyway, and so it was ultravox who had the biggest influence on me. The way that they integrated synths and conventional instrumentation, in my opinion, worked much better than anybody else's attempts at creating a new direction for electronic music, including my own. I looked to Ultravox, in those days, as being the standard to aim for. Kraftwerk, of course, and Neu! had been around for some time before that. I think the Bowie albums brought Eno's idea of electronic music to a wider audience. I've always been led to believe that Eno was the creative force behind the electronic element of those two Bowie albums. Good albums, though."

BRETT ANDERSON, SUEDE:
"Bowie and Eno gave me a strong sense of ambition for the band. Their music is quite ambitious, whereas punk is all about attitude. There's a sense of them wanting to create something rather than just making a muddy-brown sound. The stuff Eno did with Bowie- Low, "Heroes" and Lodger- is probably my favourite. I love that period when they're making something together that's out there, but still has a pop sensibility."

SIOUXSIE SIOUX, THE BANSHEES/CREATURES: "Low was so bold, those drums way up in the mix like that with those wrap-around soundscapes- it really sounded like nothing else, but then up to that point Bowie had relentlessly maintained a sense of anticipated excitement with every new release. The Idiot, well after the demise of the legendary Stooges, was re-affirmation that our suspicions were true- this man was a genius, and what a voice!
"The sound and production is so direct and uncompromised. Iggy on a good day, and this most definitely was a good say, is my favourite lyricist without a doubt. I still prefer his version of 'China Girl'."

RICHARD H KIRK, CABARET VOLTAIRE: "The Cabs were really into Eno through Roxy, so the fact that Bowie and Eno worked together was big news for people like myself.
"Both sides of Low still sound pretty groovy to me. A lot of people making music now will still quote Low as a big influence. Cynically, I would say it turned all the trendies onto electronic music- which was great for us, because then we had an audience. But they still stand up as great pieces of work, regardless of where Bowie nicked his ideas from."




tourist
(absolute beginner )
07/03/03 08:22 AM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: tourist]  

This is the second part of the influences article from Uncut - (sorry about all the copying and pasting)

FIVE ALBUMS ROOTED IN BOWIE'S BERLIN PERIOD

JOY DIVISION
Closer (1980)
Blending the Teutonic psychosis of Low with the Eastern Bloc miserablism of a Macclesfield industrial estate, Joy Division's doom-laden swansong walks a similar line between neo-classical symphony and brutalist self-crucifixion. Much of New Order's later Kraftwerk fixation, shared by Ian Curtis, can already be heard seeping through this album's mechanised inner landscape. Curtis hanged himself before it was released. The last album he listened to was Iggy's Bowie-produced The Idiot.

BRIAN ENO/DAVID BYRNE
My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts (1981)
After completing the Berlin tripych with Bowie, Eno teamed up with head Talking Head Byrne to keep pushing the global-village ethno-junkshop experiments of Lodger to their disruptive, Dadaist conclusion. The end result, still stunning 20 years later, is this layered, vibrant, seething collage of hyperkinetic global rhythms, radio interference and wilfully disembodied samples.

U2
Achtung Baby (1991)
In flight from their own bankrupt pastiche of American roots rock, Bono and crew relocated to Hansa By The Wall in a newly reunited Berlin to gestate this new Euro-techno, irony-friendly chapter in U2's career. Brian Eno came too, just in case the parallels with "Heroes" were not clear enough already. In the Seventies, Berlin was where rock stars went to become Serious Artists. In U2's case, it was where they finally learned to laugh off their own pomposity. Teasingly, Bowie tells Uncut: "I had that Bono in a black waistcoat and white shirt in the back of my cab the other week."

BLUR
The Great Escape (1995)
Who would have expected Blur to make a pretty ace Suede album? Despite the red herring of "Country House", this is Damon's first real study in post-Britpop comedown. Giving free rein to the robo-jerky Bowie/Eno tendencies first heard of "Girls and Boys", the album oozes wistfully apocalyptic future-pop like "The Universal" and "He Thought Of Cars". Even the laddish "Charmless Man" and "Country House" itself are sad-hearted snapshots of chemical alienation and retreat from fame. Critics damned it and Blur reportedly hate it, but this record towers over all of their half-arsed indie-rock noodling since.

RADIOHEAD
Kid A (2000)
When Bowie made Low, he was "lost for words" and thoroughly disgusted with his own fame. Similar motives drove Radiohead to make an equally unlikely creative left-turn with this potentially suicidal foray into ambient jazz-tronica, which sporadically touches the same eerie depths and ethereal peaks as Bowie/Eno's spectral tone poems.



And(th)ro~femme!
(mortal with potential)
07/03/03 09:09 AM
Re: bowie´s influeces in musichistory new [re: tourist]  

MAESTOS! ;) - millions of thanks to the tourist for sharing these highly precious articles! --- do you (by the way) know in which year this collection of statements was actually published?

gray numan as big glamourous new romantic icon revealing himself . . . ;) siouxie sioux and joy division talking of low ...these bands are just the godfathers of a musical landscape, that is strongly influenced by him till today. (but i missed peter murphy´s statement at this point a bit.)
thanks again a lot for the article(s)!!!

concerning nirvana - hmm, i´m not sure if i can give my personal agreement. they are toooo far relatives to bowie. - they actually are : as result of a heritage maybe. but in their sound; not really





"the savant contradicts the others, ...whereas the real wise man himself." (~ by the first and last modern messiah)


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