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Anonymous
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08/05/03 10:57 AM
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New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views...  

http://www.biblical-art.com/newtesta/ntsparts/revelation/seven seals/four horsemen.htm

What might the Tower card have originally meant? It is surely connected in some way with the Devil card, always following it immediately in sequence, and usually showing fiery imagery and sometimes bearing a suggestive name. Paradoxically, however, the fire seems more celestial than infernal; it usually arcs down from heaven. And the card following the Tower is the Star, the first of the celestial cards of the tarot.



Anonymous
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08/05/03 12:02 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

See a great white scar
Over Battery Park
Then a flare glides over

What might the Tower card have originally meant? It is surely connected in some way with the Devil card, always following it immediately in sequence, and usually showing fiery imagery and sometimes bearing a suggestive name. Paradoxically, however, the fire seems more celestial than infernal; it usually arcs down from heaven. And the card following the Tower is the Star, the first of the celestial cards of the tarot.


But I won't look at that scar

Oh, my nuclear baby
Oh, my idiot trance
All my idiot questions
Let's face the music and dance

Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better
Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better than you

All the corners of the buildings
Who but we remember these
The sidewalks and trees
I'm thinking now

I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
A new killer star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
The stars in your eyes
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go

All my life in a comic
Like the way they did the bible
With the bubbles and action
The little details in color


First a horseback bomber

http://www.biblical-art.com/newtesta/ntsparts/revelation/seven seals/four horsemen.htm


Just a small thin chance
Like seeing Jesus on Dateline
Let's face the music and dance

I discovered a star
Like the stars in your eyes

Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better
Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better than you

All the corners of the buildings
Who but we remember these?
The sidewalks and trees
I'm thinking now

I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
A new killer star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
The stars in your eyes
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go




Anonymous
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08/05/03 12:26 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Ottomans being Turks were using a crescent bearing flag. When Saleem I resumed power as the caliph, the Ottoman flag was red with a green circle and three yellow crescents. Ottomans for the first time separate the religious flag and the national flag. The national flag was red with crescent facing right, while the religious flag green with crescent facing right.

Later, a five-cornered star was added to symbolize the five pillars of Islam.

The star was added by Sultan Selim III in 1793 (its five points being established in 1844)."








dukewhite
(cracked actor)
08/05/03 12:33 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Why are you posting this crap? What does a flag have to do with the song? If there's a connection you see or hypothesize about, please let us know. Otherwise, posting lyrics, URL's, and historical trivia is a waste of space and does not belong here.

Don't believe in yourself
Don't deceive with belief
Knowledge comes with death's release


Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/05/03 01:33 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: dukewhite]  

ok



non-mouse
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08/05/03 01:50 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

XVI. The Tower
XVII. The Star


The Symbolism of the Tower Card

The Tower represents a sudden, drastic change. This change can be incredibly freeing


The Symbolism of the Star Card

The Star is the light of hope. Shining in the night, sending light into darkness, the stars provide direction to

sailors
and are a field on which to dream.





Beltene
(kook)
08/05/03 01:53 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: dukewhite]  


Dukeshite:
HAVE YOU EVER SAID ANYTHING VALUABLE IN YOUR LIFE ??jUST LINK ME TO A FUCKING THREAD WHERE YOU'RE SPARKLING WITH WIT AND i WON'T CALL YOU A TWAT,TWAT!!!!!!

Go ahead, Anonymous,don't pay attention to this pseudo film director, I like the way your mind works.

esse mein scheisse

dukewhite
(cracked actor)
08/05/03 02:02 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: Beltene]  

In reply to:

don't pay attention to this pseudo film director



You obviously don't because I have never claimed to be a director. I prefer to work in the area of cinematography, but am currently working in television production.

And it's a shame my "sparkling wit" has elluded you. I guess I have failed my lifelong goal of entertaining and impressing you. Time to get out the razors and pour a warm bath.

Don't believe in yourself
Don't deceive with belief
Knowledge comes with death's release


Beltene
(kook)
08/05/03 02:08 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: dukewhite]  

I'm sorry,I got out of control.I'm just tired of all the bickering,plus the anony made a very good point with their last post.

esse mein scheisse

dukewhite
(cracked actor)
08/05/03 02:21 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: Beltene]  

yes, the last post did include some insight. It was more than just copying facts to the board. That was my complaint.

I will consider this matter resolved.

Don't believe in yourself
Don't deceive with belief
Knowledge comes with death's release


Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/05/03 02:33 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: Beltene]  

hey now, hey now -- give dykewipe a break, he's just...well, inexperienced with non-linear thought...probably better at lifting cables for a camera than actually using one with skill and artistry, the poor dear...



Anonywho
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08/05/03 03:30 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

From
NKS Lyrics--straight from the Man himself!


"Sailor posted the lyrics on BowieNet earlier today"

-



"The Star is the light of hope. Shining in the night, sending light into darkness, the stars provide direction to

sailors
and are a field on which to dream"







Anonymous
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08/05/03 05:38 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

First a horseback bomber

http://www.biblical-art.com/newtesta/ntsparts/revelation/seven seals/four horsemen.htm


Just a small thin chance


Haunting the domains of imagination and intellect are the four hooded horsemen of the Apocalypse: War, Pestilence, Famine and Death. Our attitude toward these brute reminders of human vulnerability is a combination of avoidance and fascination. Acknowledging their presence involves a painful challenge to our sense of security but may be a requirement for fully realizing our humanity.


"I passed through the shadow of Jupiter"...

Sagittarius - Jupiter = Mutable Fire = Knight of Wands

The Knight of Wands is "The Lord of the Flame and Lighting: the King of the Spirits of Fire."





trivia-mouse
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08/05/03 06:48 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

6

Geometry: hexagon or six-pointed star

Macrocosm: body (above, below, front, back, right, left).

Microcosm: six powers of motion and direction (up; down; front; back; left; right).
Mathematics: first complete number.

...the triangle is harmony, the square stability,etc...
http://www.teenagewildlife.com/Albums/E/Title.html (cover)

"The final aim of geometry is to permit the faculties of the soul to reflect and meditate independently of the external world..."


5 Geometry: pentagon or five pointed star.

Macrocosm: nature (ether; fire; air; water; earth).
Microcosm: five senses (sight; hearing; touch; taste; smell). Mathematics: first circular number.










whyhere
(Unregistered)
08/07/03 02:09 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

more appropriate to have this thread moved to
the Interpretation forum...



magdelene
(Unregistered)
08/07/03 03:50 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

oooh this stuff is quite off my planet, which one do you guys inhabit? and why so tetchy at times ?



ClearEyedBoy
(Unregistered)
08/08/03 03:14 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Oh, my nu clear baby... New York City... Like the stars in your eyes...



riley
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/08/03 06:26 AM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

if you are inferring bowie is a born again christian I'm going to have to get the shotgun out..

-gold plated beast-

life of riley
(Unregistered)
08/08/03 10:36 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: riley]  

oooh...subtle



riley
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/08/03 10:53 AM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

.. as always

-gold plated beast-

she is my eyes
(Unregistered)
08/08/03 12:28 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion - for 'madelene' new [re: -ANON-]  

http://www.magdalene.org/twintowers.htm


also in regards to the Heathen artwork
(2 disc set)



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/08/03 02:32 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

"... and why so tetchy at times ?"

alas, all Anonymice are not alike.



unclear angles
(Unregistered)
08/08/03 05:07 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

viewed from a scope



New Survey
(Unregistered)
08/08/03 05:27 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

crosshairs



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/09/03 00:36 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion - for 'madelene' new [re: -ANON-]  

So no one noticed.



SpiderSilk
(Unregistered)
08/10/03 00:46 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion - for 'madelene' new [re: -ANON-]  

"We take all the telescopes
And we turn them inside out
And we point them away from the big sky"



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/11/03 10:15 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

...



and...
(Unregistered)
08/11/03 12:02 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

http://www.magdalene.org/alone/dolci.htm

www.algonet.se/~bassman/album/heltded.html

?



abstracted
(Unregistered)
08/14/03 01:14 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

http://ericdarton.net/jpegs/binoculartowers.jpg


The Executive Chef at "Windows on the World", survived because he stopped at the optometrist's shop on a lower level on his way to work...

(umm, what were we talking about once again??)



None
(Unregistered)
08/14/03 03:09 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Nisi Dominus aedificaverit domum in vanum laboraverunt qui aedificant eam



Drepano
(Unregistered)
08/16/03 02:12 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Gismes.
The Sickle is recognized as a backwards question mark or fishhook opposite of the Aquarius lucky stars.

"Al-dhanab-al-Asad"



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/16/03 04:14 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

..."lucky stars"

l-bint illi sufti



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/16/03 06:21 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Sorry, but I won't tell 'you' how to pronounce it.



snowmouse
(Unregistered)
08/16/03 08:18 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

See a great white scar
Over Battery Park
Then a flare glides over

What might the Tower card have originally meant? It is surely connected in some way with the Devil card, always following it immediately in sequence, and usually showing fiery imagery and sometimes bearing a suggestive name. Paradoxically, however, the fire seems more celestial than infernal; it usually arcs down from heaven. And the card following the Tower is the Star, the first of the celestial cards of the tarot.


But I won't look at that scar

Oh, my nuclear baby
Oh, my idiot trance
All my idiot questions
Let's face the music and dance

Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better
Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better than you

All the corners of the buildings
Who but we remember these
The sidewalks and trees
I'm thinking now

I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
A new killer star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
The stars in your eyes
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go

All my life in a comic
Like the way they did the bible
With the bubbles and action
The little details in color


First a horseback bomber

http://www.biblical-art.com/biblicalsubject.asp?id_biblicalsubject=529&pagenum=1


Just a small thin chance
Like seeing Jesus on Dateline
Let's face the music and dance

I discovered a star
Like the stars in your eyes

Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better
Don't ever say I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
I never said I'm better, I'm better, I'm better than you

All the corners of the buildings
Who but we remember these?
The sidewalks and trees
I'm thinking now

I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
A new killer star
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
The stars in your eyes
I got a better way
Ready set go
I got a better way
I discovered a star
I got a better way
Ready set go




Ottomans being Turks were using a crescent bearing flag. When Saleem I resumed power as the caliph, the Ottoman flag was red with a green circle and three yellow crescents. Ottomans for the first time separate the religious flag and the national flag. The national flag was red with crescent facing right, while the religious flag green with crescent facing right.

Later, a five-cornered star was added to symbolize the five pillars of Islam.

The star was added by Sultan Selim III in 1793 (its five points being established in 1844)."




yada...yada.. (and merci.)



non-mouse

XVI. The Tower
XVII. The Star


The Symbolism of the Tower Card

The Tower represents a sudden, drastic change. This change can be incredibly freeing


The Symbolism of the Star Card

The Star is the light of hope. Shining in the night, sending light into darkness, the stars provide direction to

sailors
and are a field on which to dream.












Anonywho

From
NKS Lyrics--straight from the Man himself!


"Sailor posted the lyrics on BowieNet earlier today"

-


'First a horseback bomber"

http://www.biblical-art.com/biblicalsubject.asp?id_biblicalsubject=529&pagenum=1



Haunting the domains of imagination and intellect are the four hooded horsemen of the Apocalypse: War, Pestilence, Famine and Death. Our attitude toward these brute reminders of human vulnerability is a combination of avoidance and fascination. Acknowledging their presence involves a painful challenge to our sense of security but may be a requirement for fully realizing our humanity.


"I passed through the shadow of Jupiter"...

Sagittarius - Jupiter = Mutable Fire = Knight of Wands

The Knight of Wands is "The Lord of the Flame and Lighting: the King of the Spirits of Fire."






trivia-mouse


6

Geometry: hexagon or six-pointed star

Macrocosm: body (above, below, front, back, right, left).

Microcosm: six powers of motion and direction (up; down; front; back; left; right).
Mathematics: first complete number.

the red and the blue...

...the triangle is harmony, the square stability,etc...

http://www.teenagewildlife.com/Albums/E/Title.html (cover)

"The final aim of geometry is to permit the faculties of the soul to reflect and meditate independently of the external world..."


5 Geometry: pentagon or five pointed star.

Macrocosm: nature (ether; fire; air; water; earth).
Microcosm: five senses (sight; hearing; touch; taste; smell). Mathematics: first circular number.




whyhere


more appropriate to have this thread moved to
the Interpretation forum...




magdelene

oooh this stuff is quite off my planet, which one do you guys inhabit? and why so tetchy at times ?




ClearEyedBoy



Oh, my nu clear baby...
New York City... Like the stars in your eyes...



riley

if you are inferring bowie is a born again christian I'm going to have to get the shotgun out..

-gold plated beast-


life of riley

Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views...


oooh...subtle




riley

Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views...


.. as always

-gold plated beast-


she is my eyes

Re: New Killer Star Discussion - for 'madelene'


http://www.magdalene.org/twintowers.htm


also in regards to the Heathen artwork
(2 disc set)




Anonymous

Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views...]



"... and why so tetchy at times ?"

alas, all Anonymice are not alike.




unclear angles



viewed from a scope




New Survey



crosshairs




Anonymous

Re: New Killer Star Discussion - for 'madelene'



So no one noticed.




SpiderSilk

"We take all the telescopes
And we turn them inside out
And we point them away from the big sky"




Anonymous


...




and...

http://www.magdalene.org/alone/dolci.htm

http://www.algonet.se/~bassman/album/heltded.html

?




abstracted


http://ericdarton.net/jpegs/binoculartowers.jpg


The Executive Chef at "Windows on the World", survived because he stopped at the optometrist's shop on a lower level on his way to work...

(umm, what were we talking about once again??)




None
re: anon



Nisi Dominus aedificaverit domum in vanum laboraverunt qui aedificant eam




Drepano

Gismes.
The Sickle is recognized as a backwards question mark or fishhook opposite of the Aquarius lucky stars.

"Al-dhanab-al-Asad"




Anonymous



..."lucky stars"

l-bint illi sufti




Anonymous
Sorry, but I won't tell 'you' how to pronounce it.





Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/16/03 11:03 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

You really think Bowie was thinking about all that shit when he wrote the song?

In reply to:

Haunting the domains of imagination and intellect are the four hooded horsemen of the Apocalypse: War, Pestilence, Famine and Death.


Jesus H Christ its a song not the book of revelations!



footnote
(Unregistered)
08/16/03 11:53 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

! This has been floating around forever, but for the "record"

The Cut Up method: "Inspirations have I none"

Take a text, cut it apart, put it together haphazardly and create
something new.

Since Bowie used the cut up technique to 'write' his lyrics there is
not much sense in analysing them as a whole: We focus on the the
always re-appearing codes in his complete work "David Bowie" which
connote his kind of gnosticism.

Bowie defined his use of the cut up
method as his way to discover his own past and future.

He became a cut up himself too for those who closely followed him throughout the years
when they faced (and still face) themselves in the splintered facettes
of his often odd sounding lyrics,

ever changing styles of fashion and
keywords of books he constantly dropped (and drops) when a micro or a
pencil of a journalist was and is near.

He became a gnostic who
brought gnosis. A topic which he constantly manifests in stage shows,
lyrics and music, e.g. in the role of the messianic alien "Ziggy
Stardust" (1971-1973)

or as the "Hanged Man" (1987) from the Tarot
Cards in stage shows... and so on




could be
(Unregistered)
08/17/03 00:22 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

Lyrics

Pushing thru the market square, so many mothers sighing
News had just come over, we had five years left to cry in
News guy wept and told us, earth was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet, then I knew he was not lying
I heard telephones, opera house, favourite melodies
I saw boys, toys electric irons and T.V.'s

My brain hurt like a warehouse, it had no room to spare
I had to cram so many things to store everything in there...

We've got five years, stuck on my eyes
We've got five years, what a surprise
We've got five years, my brain hurts a lot
We've got five years, that's all we've got




Beltene
(kook)
08/17/03 01:30 AM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

damn i wish there were more anons like you
the deep sea,my boyfriend says

esse mein scheisse

Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/17/03 01:32 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: Beltene]  

who the fuck is magdalene and what is the connection between her and the new killer star



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/17/03 05:18 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Fred Astaire ....



riley
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/17/03 08:47 AM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

soooooooo interesting.. my own interpretation is that both Chritianity and islam are both derived from the old testimant, therefore they are both inherently evil.. some fundamentilist muslims see bin laden as a prophet/leader, christians see jesus as a prophet/saviour.. as bowie himself has been branded a prophet; his perception of these high profile people turned legends must be kind of ironic, media has recorded his life like a fantasy/mythical charactor.. [like a comic with bubbles and action etc] though his near religious/cult status hasn't caused any fucking holy wars, his existance has benefit society.

Burn the bible I say!

-gold plated beast-

threemary's
(Unregistered)
08/17/03 01:36 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

The Last Temptation Of Christ (1988)

Controversy aside, Martin Scorsese's screen version of Nikos Kazantzakis' novel is a dramatic interpretation of the passion of Christ with a miraculous performance by Willem Dafoe as a self-doubting Savior.

Scripted by Paul Schrader, with Harvey Keitel as Judas, Barbara Hershey as Mary Magdalene and David Bowie as Pilate.

-

DG

Her own preference for that kind of music was tempered by the fact that most of her managers did not really know how to handle her emergent talent. After a swathe of singles on Pye and two LPs for Decca, she moved to RCA and made "Weren't Born A Man" in 1973, some titles being produced by David Bowie, whose management, Mainman, also took care of her career.

While her career in music was simmering away, she became better known for her appearances in London's West End theatres, in shows such as the first run of Jesus Christ Superstar (playing Mary Magdalene).


(no "connection", just some background stuff)



deep see
(Unregistered)
08/17/03 02:36 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: Beltene]  

http://www.algonet.se/~bassman/album/pic/he/ltded/3.gif

Mary Magdalene is sometimes shown with a fish tail as Marina, often depicted with a jar of ointment (spikenard was usually used for anointing), a crown of thorns, long loose hair, and a mirror – as Mermaids are shown with a mirror combing their long hair, and singing like Sirens.

Mary is the patron saint of hairdressers.


An association between Mary Magdalene and the sea grew up, as it did with the Holy Grail which, according to the Nag Hammadi Codices, Magdalene took with her to France after the Crucifixion.

In addition to the connection of Magdalene to the sea, there appeared a general connection to water. La Dompna del Aquae (Mistress of the Waters) was a term for her who, legend has it, was buried at Aix en Provence (Acqs – water).

Royal descendants in Grail lore, the Merovingian kings, became known as Fisher Kings - the successor to the French throne is the "dauphin", dolphin!

The Red Dragon of Wales emblem evolved from serpents, dragons or Holy Crocodile, Draco, that represented the Pendragon Celtic kings. Gnostics and Celts venerated females in association with lakes, wells, fountains, and springs.

In Arthurian legend, the Lady of the Lake was transposed into Britain; the gallant knights and troubadours of the Age of Chivalry idealised women with Courtly Love.

The Lady of the Lake has further associations with Vivian/Nimue, originally the Welsh moon goddess. She in turn was linked with Rhiannon/Rigantona, wife of the King of Dyfed, who rode a white horse, her avatar.

Another Celtic horse goddess, Epona, was connected with the colossal white horses carved in chalk hills in southern England; the association of goddesses with horses and their moon-shaped hoof prints, the moon, tides and water was widespread.

The male symbol of a unicorn submitting to a maiden featured widely in pre-Raphaelite paintings of the nineteenth century, which sensually portrayed other themes of romantic legend including Mermaids and water sprites.

Springs were said to have arisen from the hoof-prints of Pegasus, the son of Medusa; and there are legends of Water Horse spirits such as the Scottish Kelpie, Nykur, and the Germanic Nix who could be a Mermaid or centaur!

In Ireland Mermaids are known as Merrow, and although obviously from "mer" or "mare" for "sea", the word "Mermaid" is sometimes presumed to come from the same root as Mary/Miriam from the Egyptian for "beloved." So are the word "marry", and the term "Merrie England."

This archaic use also appears in Robin Hood’s "Merry Men," and some consider Maid Marion herself a link to Mary Magdalene. During the Qumran era, Miriam (Mary) and Martha were not simply names, but titles for those who participated in a formal ministry within spiritual orders such as the ascetic and healing community of the Therapeutate, Moses being the masculine equivalent.

The name Magdalene comes from the Hebrew "magdala" or "migdal" – a tower, one of her emblems, and the term maudlin meaning sorrowful, evolved from Magdalene sobbing at the foot of the cross.


The word "Babel" was an Akkadian word that meant "gateway to God."

The word that is translated "ladder"

http://www.algonet.se/~bassman/album/pic/he/ltded/2.gif


or "stairway" meant "gateway to heaven."

Both the Tower of Babel and Jacob's ladder were ziggurats.
The ziggurat is a "stepped" tower: a sort of oblique pyramid built in
SEVEN receding stages..

The Aquarian Water Bearer Card
http://www.devarpana.de/images/star.jpg



(quickly edited-can't trace original)



Anonymous
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08/17/03 05:49 PM
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"Cried so much his face was wet, then I knew he was not lying
I heard telephones, opera house, favourite melodies
I saw boys, toys electric irons and T.V"

People gobbled ice cream from street vendors before it melted, and chugged beer before it got warm, and gathered around battery-operated radios for updates. Su Rya, 69, guarded a store on 125th Street in Harlem. When asked about talk that looting might break out, he said, ¨That's barbershop talk. It 's a different generation now.

¨ Marveled another man, ¨You can actually see the stars in New York City.¨

From www.swtimes.com

http://customwire.ap.org/photos/OHJY10108171525-small.jpg



Anonymous
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08/17/03 08:55 PM
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You, the richest person on Earth,
who have been going around begging for a living,
stop being the destitute child.
Come back and claim your heritage.
We should enjoy our happiness
and offer it to everyone.
Cherish this very moment.
Let go of the stream of distress
and embrace life fully in your arms.

This poem is from "Call Me By My True Names"
The Collected Poems of Thich Nhat Hanh.



Anonymous
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08/17/03 09:03 PM
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The dawn will come soon,

and you will see

that you and the rosy horizon

are within my two eyes.



It is for me that the horizon is rosy

and the sky blue.




Looking at your image in the clear stream,

you answer the question by your very presence.

Life is humming the song of the non-dual marvel.


I suddenly find myself smiling

in the presence of this immaculate night.


I know because I am here that you are there,

and your being has returned to show itself

in the wonder of tonight's smile.




In the quiet stream,

I swim gently.

The murmur of the water lulls my heart.


A wave serves as a pillow

I look up and see

a white cloud against the blue sky,

the sound of Autumn leaves,

the fragrance of hay-

each one a sign of eternity.



A bright star helps me find my way back to myself.










This poem is from "Call Me By My True Names"
The Collected Poems of Thich Nhat Hanh.




Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/17/03 09:09 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

I have been looking for you, my child,

Since the time when rivers and mountains still lay in obscurity.

I was looking for you

When you were still in a deep sleep

Although the conch had many times echoed in the ten directions.

Without leaving our ancient mountain I looked at distant lands

And recognized your steps on so many different paths.

Where are you going, my child?

There have been times when the mist has come and enveloped the remote village but you are still wandering in far away lands.

I have called your name with each breath,

Confident that even though you have lost your way over there you will finally find a way back to me.

Sometimes I manifest myself right on the path you are treading

but you still look at me as if I were a stranger

You cannot see the connection between us in our former lives you cannot remember the old vow you made. You have not recognized me

Because your mind is caught up in images concerning a distant future.

Informer lifetimes you have often taken my hand and we have enjoyed walking together.

We have sat together for a longtime at the foot of old pine trees. We have stood side by side in silence for hours

Listening to the sound of the wind softly calling us

And looking up at the while clouds floating by.

You have picked up and given to me the first red autumn leaf

And I have taken you through forests deep in snow.

But wherever we go we always return to our ancient mountain to be near to the moon and stars

To invite the big bell every morning to sound, and help living beings to wake up.

We have sat quietly on the An Tu mountain' with the Great Bamboo Forest Master

Alongside the frangipani trees in blossom.

We have taken boats out to sea to rescue the boat people as they drift.

We have helped Master Van Hanh design the Thang Long capital we have built together a thatched hermitage,

And stretched out the net to rescue the nun Trac Tuyen4 When!

The sound of The rising tide was deafening On the banks of The Tien Duong river.

Together we have opened the way and stepped into the immense space outside of space.

After many years of working to tear asunder the net of time.



We have saved up the light of shooting stars

And made a torch helping those who want to go home



After decades of wandering in distant places.

But still there have been times when the seeds of a vagabond in you have come back to life you have left your teacher, your brothers and sisters

Alone you go...



I look at you with compassion

Although I know that this is not a true separation

(Because I am already in each cell of your body)

And that you may need once more to play the prodigal son.

That is why I promise I shall be therefor you any time you are in danger.

Sometimes you have lain unconscious on the hot sands of frontier deserts.

I have manifested myself as a cloud to bring you cool shade.

Late at night the cloud became the dew

And the compassionate nectar falls drop by drop for you to drink.

Sometimes you sit in a deep abyss of darkness completely alienated from you true home.



I have manifested Myself as a long ladder and lightly thrown myself down

So that you can climb up to the area where there is light

To discover again the blue of the sky and the sounds of the brook and the birds. Sometimes I recognised you in Birmingham,

In the Do Linh district 5 or New England.

I have sometimes met you in Hang Chau, Xiamen, or Shanghai

I have sometimes found you in St. Petersburg or East Berlin.

Sometimes, though only five years old, I have seen you and recognized you. Because of the seed of bodhchita, you carry in your tender heart.

Wherever I have seen you, I have always raised my hand and made a signal to you,

Whether it be in the delta of the North,' Saigon or the Thuan An Seaport.

Sometimes you were the golden full moon hanging over the summit of The Kim Son Mountain,

Or the little bird flying over the Dai Laoforest during a winter night.

Often I have seen you

But you have not seen me,

Though while walking in the evening mist your clothes have been soaked.

But finally you have always come home.

You have come home and sat at my feet on our ancient mountain

Listening to the birds calling and the monkeys screeching and the morning chanting echoing from the Buddha Hall.

You have come back to me determined not to be a vagabond any longer.

This morning the birds of the mountain joyfully welcome the bright sun.

Do you know, my child, that the white clouds are still floating in the vault of the sky?

Where are you now?

The ancient mountain is still there in this place of the present moment.

Although the white-crested wave still wants to go in the other direction,

Look again, you will see me in you and in every leaf and flower bud.

If you call my name, you will see me right away.

Where are you going?

The old frangipani tree offers its fragrant flowers this morning.

You and I have never really been apart.

Spring has come.

The pines have put out new shining green needles



And on the edge of the forest, the wild Plum Trees have burst into flower.









Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/18/03 07:50 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  


Don't listen to the poet.
In his morning coffee, there is a teardrop.

Don't listen to me.
Please don't.

In my morning coffee, there is a drop of blood.

Don't scold me, brother,
because I cannot swallow liquids.

The air in my lungs is frozen.

He said, "Let me weep through your eyes
because I no longer have eyes.

Let me walk on your feet.
because I have no feet."

With my hands
I am touching your nightmare.

He said, "I have been saved.
I need no more salvation."
Salvation is for us.

My hand on the table,
the universe remains silent.

The great ocean has never calmed her sobbing.
The five mountains maintain
the original positions of Sky and Earth.

Far above the Milky Way,
the secret of the universe reveals themselves.
Yet my right hand is in the table--
waiting for humankind to wake up.

No, my hand will never turn over on this table
like the half-shell
balancing on the shore,
like corpse of a man struck down by a bullet.

Mountain and river are overthrown.
Celestial bodies are out,
and the great ocean ceases its everlasting murmur.

My hand is still on the table,
and the five mountains,
still dominate.

The secret has not been revealed.

The celestial bodies go on conversing with each other.
My hand is still on the table,
waiting for the moment
to reverse the balance of Sky and Earth--

my hand,
this small hand,
is like a mountain.



TNH



Cucumber
(kook)
08/19/03 03:49 AM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

In reply to:

Mary Magdalene is sometimes shown with a fish tail as Marina



The same Marina that moved the ocean?

...the reason of the unreason with which my reason is afflicted so weakens my reason that with reason I murmur at your beauty;..

HoursInADay
(Unregistered)
08/20/03 12:23 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: Cucumber]  

anecdote

We were in Paris in July . . . . The next day we would begin our journey to St. James, our pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostella. A waiter approached our table and placed our order in front of us -- shells scraped clean of the sea, offering us their bounty. Coquilles St. Jacques -- the scallop shell of St. James, symbol of the thousand year old pilgrimage to St. James tomb . . . in Spain . . . . We poured straw-colored wine into our glasses and toasted each other: "To Santiago." "To pilgrimage."

For dessert. . . we ordered madeleines . . . sugar coated sponge cakes whose sea shell shape [also] echoes the scallop shell, [and] the pilgrimage to Compostella . . . .

The sky was clear, full of glittering stars. The Milky Way, the Via Lactea, spread across the sky. Tradition says it points the way to Santiago, and for over a thousand years pilgrims have followed its star-lit trail...

http://www.mairie-dieppe.fr/marmite/recettes/recette5.html



HIAD
(Unregistered)
08/20/03 01:32 PM
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[spell check 'editing']



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/20/03 01:37 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

anecdote

We were in Paris in July -
The next day we would begin our journey to St. James,
our pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostella. A waiter
approached our table and placed our order in front of us
shells scraped clean of the sea, offering us their bounty.

Coquilles St. Jacques the scallop shell of St. James,
symbol of the thousand year old pilgrimage to St. James
tomb in Spain We poured straw-colored wine into our
glasses and toasted each other: "To Santiago."
"To pilgrimage."

For dessert. we ordered madeleines sugar coated
sponge cakes whose sea shell shape echoes the
scallop shell, the pilgrimage to Compostella...

The sky was clear, full of glittering stars. The Milky Way,
the Via Lactea, spread across the sky. Tradition says it
points the way to Santiago, and for over a thousand years
pilgrims have followed its star-lit trail...

pelegrin

http://www.mairie-dieppe.fr/marmite/recettes/recette5.htm



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/20/03 04:45 PM
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...



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/20/03 07:22 PM
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'twas a strange tale.

http://grenier2clio.free.fr/medieval/pic/melusine.jpg

...ever after



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 02:34 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

Everybody's raised in blindness

I remember always

But even in my life I knew you found your sight

remember always

Please help me

the door of my soul has been left wide open
to the winds of the four directions


it's all a vast creation

Reality calls for change

could we make a star

Fire consumes this century,
and mountains and forests bear its mark


can I be real?

The wind howls across my ears,
while the whole sky shakes violently in the snowstorm


Fell upon

The tooth marks still vibrate

can I be free?




always



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 09:51 AM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: riley]  

In reply to:

Burn the bible I say!


I say burn the satanic and evil koran ! ! !




riley
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/21/03 12:10 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

All born from the same ignorant crap.. except in the Koran Eve is Adams 2nd wife.. Lillith just wasn't satisfied at all.

-gold plated beast-

riley
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/21/03 12:13 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: riley]  

'Killer Star Discussion,condensed version'

Condensed version?!!

-gold plated beast-

Le Bar Bat
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 12:19 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

Watching them come and go
The templars and the saracens
They're traveling the holy land
Opening telegrams

Torture comes and torture goes
Knights who'd give you anything
They bear the cross of coeuf de leon
Salvation for the mirror blind

But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
And your prayers they break the sky in two
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
You pray til the break of dawn
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
And you'll believe you're loving the alien
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)

Thinking of a different time
Palestine a modern problem
Bounty and your wealth in land
Terror in a best laid plan

Watching them come and go
Tomorrows and the yesterdays
Christians and the unbelievers
Hanging by the cross and nail





Le Bar Bat
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 12:19 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

Watching them come and go
The templars and the saracens
They're traveling the holy land
Opening telegrams

Torture comes and torture goes
Knights who'd give you anything
They bear the cross of coeuf de leon
Salvation for the mirror blind

But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
And your prayers they break the sky in two
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
You pray til the break of dawn
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
And you'll believe you're loving the alien
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)

Thinking of a different time
Palestine a modern problem
Bounty and your wealth in land
Terror in a best laid plan

Watching them come and go
Tomorrows and the yesterdays
Christians and the unbelievers
Hanging by the cross and nail





Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 01:10 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

~



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 02:06 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion,condensed version new [re: -ANON-]  

They bear the cross of coeuf de leon

(?)

that should be 'coeur'



life of riley
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 02:44 PM
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 02:59 PM
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Vox prima Christi victima,
Grex immolatorum tener,
Aram sub ipsam simplices
Palma et coronis luditis.



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/21/03 04:26 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

http://www.d-holliday.com/holysepulchre/cross.jpg



Anonymous
(Unregistered)
08/22/03 09:57 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

veni



Marionette
(Unregistered)
06/27/05 02:25 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion - for 'madelene' new [re: -ANON-]  

Oooh...you just keep me hangin' on...



JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/27/05 03:49 PM
- new [re: -ANON-]  

This thread is like a haven for anonymous users
why are they all hanging round with each over and not joining the rest of us.



churchmouse
(Unregistered)
06/27/05 04:05 PM
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Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  






Sorry to muddy the waters... just couldn't resist...










lglegl
(grinning soul)
07/17/05 01:17 PM
Re: New Killer Star Discussion, News/Views... new [re: -ANON-]  

Isn't NKS about 9-11???

"Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday born I was..."


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