Teenage Wildlife

IMPORTANT: Use your registry nickname as your username when logging in to Conversation Piece!


BowieTalk
   >> Interpretation
Thread views: 2701 Previous threadView all threadsNext thread*Threaded Mode

Pages in this thread: 1 | 2 | (show all)
eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/11/03 10:31 AM
Here come the indians ooo  

I promised a thread about "A Big Hurt". Here it is.

Okay, so this is a nasty little song, obviously. I think it's great by the way. Certainly my favourite Tin Machine song. But I'm wondering about this line: "And here come the indians ooo". My initial interpretation was that Bowie and lover are in the bedroom, dressed up as indians. You know? Some people like to dress up as cops, others dress up as indians.

TW's lyric page for "A Big Hurt" contains some errors. My copy of Tin Machine II comes with a lyric sheet. The first line is: "To meet her once is to know her through and through" not, as TW says, "To meet her once just to know it through and through".

Also, while I'm at it, I have to praise this line: "You were a saint abroad but a devil at home". One of my favourites.

But what does he mean with "Here come the indians ooo"? Is Bowie saying that the sound his lover makes sounds like the sound indians make? Someone please tell me! I wanna know what my favourite song is about!



"I want 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' to be played in elevators in New York." --Ron Asheton in the New York Post, August 5, 2003

zigbot
(kook)
08/13/03 03:44 AM
Re: Here come the indians ooo new [re: eraserhead]  

Don't know the answer to your question, eraserhead, but it made me think of the Psychedelic Furs song called "Here Come Cowboys."

Peace,

Zigbot

vintagerock24
(grinning soul)
08/21/03 06:50 PM
Re: Here come the indians ooo new [re: eraserhead]  

The title of this post is quite funny..



"A root of star
I gave to thee
From the canyons of the sea
A jewel of frost that was lost
In days of dreams when we were free"


eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/22/03 06:06 AM
I demand a better interpretation new [re: vintagerock24]  

In reply to:

The title of this post is quite funny


Yes, it is. But I want a 2-page, in-depth song-analysis from LaughingGnome, and I want it now!

Who are the indians? What are the indians up to? What is Bowie's relationship to the indians?



"I want 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' to be played in elevators in New York." --Ron Asheton in the New York Post, August 5, 2003

LaughingGnoome
(crash course raver)
08/23/03 03:35 PM
Indians = Sperm new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

Yes, it is. But I want a 2-page, in-depth song-analysis from LaughingGnome, and I want it now!


Sorry Eraserhead, im not a big Tin Machine fan. But id guess that your right that the 'indians' play a characteristic role in what is a song with heavy sexual overtones. Maybe the 'Indians' is a euphemism for sperm?



Siddhartha Gautama of Suburbia
(grinning soul)
08/23/03 06:04 PM
Re: Indians = Sperm new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

'Indians' is a euphemism for sperm?!
come on....(here comes my indians baby!!!)

"Buddha says: down on my knees in suburbia....gay thing isn't it?"

<.: [Please Insert a Sentence] :.>

LaughingGnoome
(crash course raver)
08/23/03 07:21 PM
Re: Indians = Sperm new [re: Siddhartha Gautama o]  

In reply to:

'Indians' is a euphemism for sperm?!
come on....(here comes my indians baby!!!)


He actually sings "here come the indians" not "here comes my indians baby".

Im sure you agree that 'Indians' here has to be a metaphor for something else, that it is very unlikely to be actual 'Indians' he is singing about in a song like this?

Of course you wouldnt say 'here come the indians' in real life during sex, in fact you would probably be far more likely to prefer to use a filthier word instead of a euphemism. However this is not real life, it is a song, and in songs you have to be careful what you say (unless you are like Eminem and actually make a living from your foul mouth), thence metaphor and euphemism (in song) are the preffered choice, of course he could have sang instead..."Here comes my sperm" instead, you get the picture.

Besides in real life, non-sexual situations people use euphemisms such as "lead in my pencil" "im not firing blanks" etc, and i have heard of sperms being referred to as "soldiers", so why not Indians? An 'Indians' metaphor is consistent with the idea of a raid, or invasion of sorts, which is essentially what happens during sex.



eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/24/03 06:45 AM
LaughingGnoome, you came! new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

This is more like it! Now we're cooking with evil gas. I don't even know what that means. Now we're going places.

No but seriosuly. I like my interpretation better. I like to think it's about dressing up as indians. When I listen to the song, I picture Bowie with feathers and stuff, the whole indian kit. The whole package. With a small hatchet even. That's the only imagine I want to have in my head when I'm listening to the song. I don't want the image of Bowie, you know, what you said, I don't want that kind of image in my head.



"I want 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' to be played in elevators in New York." --Ron Asheton in the New York Post, August 5, 2003

LaughingGnoome
(crash course raver)
08/24/03 03:09 PM
Re: LaughingGnoome, you came! new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

This is more like it! Now we're cooking with evil gas. I don't even know what that means. Now we're going places.


Eraserhead you dont know what im saying? Then explain this...............

"I don't want the image of Bowie, you know, what you said, I don't want that kind of image in my head."

..........eh?

In reply to:

I like my interpretation better. I like to think it's about dressing up as indians. When I listen to the song, I picture Bowie with feathers and stuff, the whole indian kit. The whole package. With a small hatchet even. That's the only imagine I want to have in my head when I'm listening to the song. I don't want the image of Bowie, you know, what you said, I don't want that kind of image in my head.


So they are dressing up as Indians as part of a whole kinky sexual subplot....I see. I personally feel that my own interpretation is less...flamboyant... and seedy than that but i dont care if you accept my interpretation or not. The important thing is i have already accepted for myself what i feel the line is about. But as usual you are full of good humour and wit.



eraserhead
(stardust savant)
08/24/03 04:24 PM
confusion is my middle name new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

Hey, LaughingGnoome, you are one of my favourite interpreters, no doubt about it.

Let me explain myself...

"This is more like it" means I was excited that this thread finally got the attention it deserves. I was happy you came when I called you. :)

When I said "I don't even know what that means" I was refering to my own sentance, "now we're cooking with evil gas" -- I don't know what that means, to cook with evil gas, yet, I said it, which is of course confusing to all of us. I was not saying that I don't understand what you said. I did understand what you said.

When I said I "don't want the image of Bowie, you know, what you said, I don't want that kind of image in my head" I meant I don't want the image of Bowie... ejaculating on his partner, I don't want that kind of image in my head. I'd rather have the image of Bowie dressed up as an indian in my head.

Like I said, your interpretations, what would this forum be without the? Seriously. I know it sounds like I'm joking or something, but I'm not. I'm always in awe reading your stuff.

You said you don't like Tin Machine... I think there are at least a handful of quite interesting TM lyrics, like "Bus Stop" and "Shopping For Girls" to name but a few. "Bus Stop" is actually one of my favourite Bowie lyrics.




"I want 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' to be played in elevators in New York." --Ron Asheton in the New York Post, August 5, 2003


Pages in this thread: 1 | 2 | (show all)
Previous threadView all threadsNext thread*Threaded Mode
Jump to

Teenage Wildlife Davie Bowie | Email Us! Forums powered by WWWThreads v5.1.5perl

Teenage Wildlife Home Page Bowie's music Info on Bowie Other Media Have your say! Search the Site Help me!


Toolbar (Interact)

Etete Systems