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Dara
(acolyte)
06/23/04 10:46 AM
Re: Californication new [re: Adam]  

I agree with your interpretation pretty much, but as an elaboration, I think these two lines:

Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station


Are a specific reference to the Music of the Spheres. In medieval and Renaissance Europe, scholars believed in a beautiful song created by the movement of the heavenly bodies (sun, moon, and planets). The music of spheres was supposedly the ultimate music, infinitely beautiful, but humankind was unable to hear it, either because of our sinful separation from God, or because we were so used to its presence that our minds automatically filtered it out as background noise.

The original idea has its origin in Greek civilization, specifically Pythagoras I think. He believed that since the planets moved, they must each create a sound (clearly no concept of a vacuum), and since they moved at regular intervals, the sounds they made must harmonize.

So I think the RHCP's here are suggesting that the music on Bowie's Station To Station album is this ultimate infinitely beautful music, so if Cobain can now hear it, that's what it must be.

Slan leat,

Dara


So Levi's are called Levi's because the guy's name was Levi Strauss? Why didn't they call them strousers? - Fiona O'Kearney 6/5/2004

zigbot
(cracked actor)
06/23/04 05:19 PM
Re: Californication new [re: Dara]  

Beautiful work, Dara. I think you are on to something here. Cobain is asked if he can "hear the spheres singing songs off Station to Station" because he is no longer alive--and if he continues to exist, does so in a different plane or dimension. Perhaps the question is one from the living to the dead, asking about the afterlife: Is it true, Kurt? Can you hear the heavenly music? Lovely that the living human assumes the "heavenly music" would be akin to listening to songs off Station to Station. What a loving tribute to David, that.

zigbot

pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
06/23/04 05:23 PM
Re: Californication new [re: zigbot]  

Or it could refer to the actual Stations.

e.g from Kether to Malkuth?

Believe everything I say,especially the lies.



zigbot
(cracked actor)
06/23/04 05:33 PM
Re: Californication new [re: pablopicasso]  

I don't think so, pablo, because of one word: "off." The lyric is "singing songs off Station to Station." Now, I'm assuming the S's in 'station' are capitalized and it refers to the album of that name, because one can't sings songs "off" the stations of the cross, or "off" a space station--but one CAN sings songs "off" an album; i.e., songs from that album. But if the original lyric said "singing songs from station to station," then it would be ambiguous as to whether some nameless songs were sung from one station to another, or whether songs from the album Station to Station were being sung. I think the Chili Peppers' use of the word "off" makes it clear that they meant "off" the album.

zigbot

AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
06/23/04 05:37 PM
Qabala new [re: pablopicasso]  

The stations (that include Kether and Malkuth) are also referred to as spheres or sephiroth.

So perhaps these little babys are singing the songs off STS whilst Cobain is in transition:



There seems to be a bit of double word play here because I think the "music of the spheres" as mentioned by Dara is almost a certainty as well.

Unless of course the "music of the spheres" and the stations or "sephiroth" can also be considered one and the same......



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StrangeDrugs
(cracked actor)
06/29/04 05:02 PM
Been a minute new [re: Adam]  

I haven't played this game in a while...so I think Ill babble about the rest of the song for a minute (please forgive my pointing out the obvious).

Well, I guess the beginning is even more obvios than I thought. The word "Californication" (I'm sure we all agree) is basically saying sex sells, and thats what Hollywood sells. "Psychic spies from China" I think can be taken as, everyone else considers the hollywood sex crap just that. Crap. Pipedreams, time wasted. While they may be in the right, we star-struck kids think theyre just trying to take our happiness away. Kids all over stare at the movies and dream of perfect glamour (incidently, while the "silver screen quotation" line may not be a direct nod to Bowie, I do think it has the same general feel as Life on Mars?. Actually, I think Californication and Life on Mars? are very similar in the general wash the songs give). Anyway! Although the sun rises in the East, it sets on Hollywood. It's the "it," the be-all end-all. Its understood that Hollywood sells sex, but not just that, dreams.

Obviously, striving for eternal youth, eternal beauty, eternal glamour.

"Marry me girl" is that same fantasy feel. Lets get married, cos we'll always be young and beautiful and fruitful...and dammit we'll be famous too! Have everything we wanted.

"Space may be the final frontier," but hey, Hollywood made it! This line I look at like yeah...that may be the REAL be-all end-all, but Hollywood is the fantasy one. I'm having a hard time here putting what I mean into words...so I hope someone gets it. It may be the "it," but hell, we can recreate it AND make it look better! Cobain I think it got to. I mean the Hollywood crap. He wasn't satified with the rhinestone encrusted Hollywood version, he went to see the real thing. Now Cobain...were we right? Is the universe really and pretty and glitterific like we told you it was? Do they sing Bowie out there like we told you they do? (Here...I think my point would be better made if Ziggy was used instead of S2S, like you said Adam. But since this isn't a Bowie song, I think the mention of ANY Bowie album is enough to spring to mind images of plastic and glitter in non-die hard Bowie fans. Who is more fake than Bowie?).

With not much left to go, I think Ill breathe here and see if anyone bothers to read this anyway.



I'm gonna change my name to shit and slap you everytime you say it.

zigbot
(cracked actor)
06/29/04 05:59 PM
Re: Been a minute new [re: StrangeDrugs]  

Well put, StrangeDrugs. I not only read it, but enjoyed it and agree with it. I like the idea of asking Cobain whether, now that he is beyond mortaldome, the lies measure up to the realities. Well done.

zigbot

thothaton
(grinning soul)
07/15/04 11:46 AM
Re: Californication new [re: Adam]  


I read somewhere that Bowie was asked to
produce this album. He was unfortunately
busy with another project.
If this is true I think it's great that someone
asked him to be just the producer!
Well this should give an extra dimension
to the 'from Station to Station' lyric..





Cynara
(kook)
07/21/04 09:14 PM
Re: Californication new [re: thothaton]  

In reply to:

read somewhere that Bowie was asked to produce this album. He was unfortunately busy with another project.


I heard this too adn have always assumed that the Station to Station line was written more to give a nod to Bowie than for any huge significance.

I would also swear that I've noticed other Bowie references in other RHCP songs but my mindis currently a blank.


I cried for madder music and for stronger wine - Ernest Dowson


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