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QwertyArk
(absolute beginner )
08/28/04 02:26 PM
Essay about Outside  

Hi, we have to do a school-essay this autumn term and I've been thinking of maybe write about outside.
I've been checking a lot of old discussions about this "phenomenon" but i haven't really got to understand it.
I have the album and a couple of outtakes and "nothing to be desired" and i wonder if I somehow can get my hands on those outtakes that is on illustrated db discography?

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blacktropic84
(grinning soul)
08/28/04 02:31 PM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: QwertyArk]  

if you have MSN Messenger, then you can add me at blacktropic84@msn. com and i might be able to get you a bunch of Outside Outtakes. Anyone else can add me aswell if they want.

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pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
08/28/04 02:36 PM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: QwertyArk]  

You might like to read this and also this was a very good thread



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Edited by pablopicasso on 08/28/04 02:47 PM (server time).



QwertyArk
(absolute beginner )
08/28/04 02:51 PM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: pablopicasso]  

thanks for the link, I'll check it out!

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QwertyArk
(mortal with potential)
08/28/04 03:10 PM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: blacktropic84]  

I Am With Name/Unknown1 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): the CD opens with a familiar song, 'I Am With Name', but instead of the 1. Outside's four minutes, this version lasts well over 10 minutes. At 4'00" into the track, Bowie launches into a rap which repeats phrases such as "I won't keep it/It will hide me/He should take them/I won't tell it/She can't take it/He won't do this/He said tell it/She said spot this/He should do this/He should be there" and "It will kill that/He should hide me/I won't hide me/She can't be there/I won't tell it/They won't eat me." At 6'10" Nathan Adler is introduced in a segue which is nearly identical to the first segue from 1. Outside: "Old Touchschriek was the main name-server/Suspected of being a shoulder server or faint a hack/This old guy didn't know from shit about challenge response systems/He was way back in the age of cellular clones/We knew that Ramona A Stone was selling interest drugs, magic cookies [...] But wait, I'm getting ahead of myself/Let me take you back to when it all began." Next is the 'Ramona A Stone' segue that opens the song on 1. Outside, but again with slightly different lyrics. The segue and the song ends with the spoken "We'll creep together, you and I. We know who the small friends are. My, this is a crazy world. At this time, you could think of me as a 'syllannibal'. Someone who eats their own words".

Unknown2 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): the second track, which lasts five minutes, starts as a ballad: "We creep together/We'll creep together, you and I/Just a trick of the two/From the slump male/A mumble slough unreal/How many drew the mark?/We'll creep together, you and I/Way back in the Laugh Hotel/I'll reel out the window/You die for diamonds/But you won't live for love." The song then changes tempo: "I am a rose/I am a face/I am a chrome/I am Ramona A Stone/We'll end in chrome/This is the chrome/This is the chrome, my friend, the chrome".

Unknown3 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): the next outtake (6'45") starts off with a segue that possibly should be contributed to Leon Blank: "Then there was nothing left to do but to bring on the Nut Soldiers/Round out the packet sniffers". It features an introduction to The Leek Soldiers, after which the song continues with a repeated "Twist, fly, boy." At 2'35", Nathan Adler reappears with another excerpt from the first segue which is similar to 1. Outside: "Leon was up on that oh-so-heavenly party stage with a criss-cross machete/He could not wait for 12 o'clock midnight/He slashes around, cuts a zero in everything/I mean a zero in the fabric of time itself." This is followed by a short version of the rap as in the first track and the statement "Someday, the internet may become an information super-highway/Don't make me laugh!/A 19th century railroad that passes through the badlands of the old quest [...] Someday, the internet may become an information super-highway/Do not make me laugh!" At 5'50", the track ends with an excerpt from the 'Algeria Touchshriek' segue.

Leon Takes Us Outside/Unknown4 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): another familiar song, 'Leon Takes Us Outside', opens the fourth track (6'50"). At 2'00" into this track, Bowie starts exclaiming "Choir!" and after another change in tempo at 2'40" he sings "First time, that I felt your grace/A tear ran down my cheek/The first time that I saw the boil/Put it on the neck." Next enters Nathan Adler with another segue and the song closes with Bowie singing "Moving through the crowd/In Oxford Town/Moving on the sidewalks/Faces to the ground/Oxford Town".

Unknown5 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): this tracks (lasting 5'30") starts off with another Nathan Adler segue: "Someone once said that beauty is only deep-skin/While it has always been a stone in my flesh [...] You're better off without it/I mean, who eats the hard skin now, huh?/It ain't Ramona A Stone, that's for sure". This is followed by the detective singing "All the baby's left at home/And the sky is made of chrome/A breath-filled sky and it's made of chrome/There was a night of an OK riot [...] OK riot, with waving air [...] Yeah, I'd rather be chrome."

We'll Creep Together/Unknown6 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): 'We'll Creep Together' is also familiar, albeit from the 1. Outside EPK only. However, here the song has two extra verses: "We'll find the small things, you and I/We'll just have small friends, you and I/We'll be small together/We'll be small together/We'll be small together, you and I/We'll end together, you and I/We'll end together, you and I/We'll end together/We'll end together/We'll end together, you and I". The synth line and drums of 'We'll Creep Together' continue into another Nathan Adler segue, which ends with the familiar "But wait, I'm getting ahead of myself". While the track proceeds as an instrumental, Bowie adds a line familiar from 'The Hearts Filthy Lesson': "Oh Ramona, can you hear me/Oh Ramona."

Unknown7 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): the seventh track (5'15") consists entirely of spoken segues: "What are you in terror of?/Life needn't step on baby fingers/The minutes fall and the demons find their ways unencumbered/Half dead, poisoned by their own fatal art". Next is Nathan Adler and following him is Baby Grace Blue: "I think we're stuck in a web/A sort of nerve net/As it were, a sort of nerve-internet, as it were/We might be here for quite a long time, here, in this web or... internet, as it were/Gotta get away, gotta get away".

Nothing To Be Desired/Unknown8 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): 'Nothing To Be Desired', which was released as a B-side only, forms the basis of the next track (5'50"). The lyrics include "The editors have done an excellent job/The selections are generous, the notations are scrupulously thoroughly/To believe that the quality of a CD-ROM can be conveyed through translation may seem presumptuous, but I believe the enterprise is greatly successful [...] The editorial apparatus of the CD-ROM leaves nothing to be desired." At 2'30" the song changes tempo: "In far-off California, there is no natural plan/Its mighty branching and its preponderant bowls weigh heavy on a sun-tag morning" and at 3'00" the track develops into a long version of the familiar 'Baby Grace Blue' segue: "And then I recognized the small friends, because one of them was a very infamous and he was a grand visionary, he was the grand visionary, he was who was on a television".

The Enemy Is Fragile (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): track eight (4'10") starts off with "Hallo Leon, would you like something really fishy?". On the Stamford Hill site, Reeves Gabrels identified this track as 'The Enemy Is Fragile'. "The enemy is always there/You could have been fighting to the death, but no!/Well, wrap up, and you'll go dancing, Leon!/Dance fishy?/Something in her mouth/There's something in her mouth/Something mysterious".

Unknown9 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): next is a 2'23" piano ballad. The atmosphere of this track is quite similar to 'The Motel'.

Unknown10 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): the penultimate track on the CD is a long version of the 'Algeria Touchshriek' segue, lasting five minutes: "Possibly, just maybe, after a nice cup of tea/Some trip of the time/We'll creep together down the memory lane/And then we'll be blind and full of bubbly ambition/Instead of the slump males that we are/Looking through windows for demons/Watching the young advance in all electric".

Unknown11 (Bowie/Eno/Gabrels/Garson/Kizilcay/Campbell): the final track, rather clumsily mixed in when the Touchshriek track fades out, is a totally different, up-tempo song: "Leon, lift up your eyes/The very stars are calling/Your name is Leon/Leon is your name/Murder!".

I've got:
"I Am With Name/Unknown1", "Unknown2", "Unknown3", a part of "unknown4", the "OK riot" part of "unknown5", "we'll creep together/unknown6" untill "We'll find the small things, you and I", "nothing to be desired" but not "Unknown8" and "The Enemy Is Fragile",

So what I'm looking for is: "Leon Takes Us Outside/Unknown4", "unknown5", we'll creep together/unknown6", "Unknown7", "Nothing To Be Desired/Unknown8", "Unknown9", "Unknown10" and "Unknown11", so if someone's got it I really would appreciate if I could get it from you?

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pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
08/28/04 03:33 PM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: QwertyArk]  

A lot of this is only available to "the inner circle" who are very cautious of who they trade with.

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Pythonis
(electric tomato)
08/28/04 08:38 PM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: QwertyArk]  

Well, here's some thoughts I put together a while ago- I posted the ideas in a thread a while back, but here's the version I have saved on my computer.


I was expanding on another poster's comment that MPD might have something to do with it.

I felt that the personalities resided in the body of Leon, who has been accused. I believe, though, that The Minotaur and Ramona are closely linked personas, and carry out the violent and agressive heartless aspects of the persona. Algeria Touchshreik and Waloff Domburg are also bits of the same personality, residing in the same building, set off and away, looking through windows. They are passive and 'broken'

Leon is the waking persona, and is depleted, left with only a weal assertation that he did not do it, he has never been there, even though he sees "your shadow on my wall" whispered from within.

I am truly not sure if Grace can be considered a real person, outside of the multiple system. It is very tempting to view her as the original child, destroyed horrifically in some act that (literally in the art-murder story) tore her apart into these personas.

Using this schema, there is no crime, only Leon.

This will make much more sense to readers if you have read "Sybil" or know a bit about multiple personalities.

Baby Grace represents the whole psyche, the original, un-dissosciated personality. She has been torn apart not physically but mentally, because, as the minotaur said "we have lived unbearable lives."

The waking personality is confused, does not know who is living in the body. He maintains that he "has not been to Oxford town," denying the actions of his alternates, even as he accepts their existance, saying "this is your shadow on my wall, this is my flesh and blood, this is what i could have been." He sees the effects of the others' actions, and knows that they are destroying what he could have been, his possibilities in life.

The personality of Ramona is the most interesting. She serves as a memory track, and knows all the personalities, which she reveals by saying, mockingly, "I know who the small friends are." She seems to be a new person, fully formed and forged from the steel of a hardened mind, a defensive personlaity that embodies the strength and ruthlessness the waking self lacks. The phrase "I am with name" implies power; in many cultures knowing someone's name can give you power over them, and name is identity. It also echoes the phrase "with child," implying a growing power waiting to emerge, to take control.

The Minotaur is a reenactment of the abuse and violence that may have caused the dissosciation. He is physically powerful, violent, but has a strange sense of guilt. On the one hand, he is the voyeur of destruction as beauty, and seems to feel no empathy with the victims. when it comes to Grace, however, he feels at the same time that she is a "sorry little girl," possibly echoing the abuser, and also guilty, apoligising to her as he kills her.

The Nathan Adler persona is a strange one. He could be just a narrative device, he could represent the role of a therapist, trying to fit the parts all back together, to find who killed Grace, what the original trauma was that caused the dissosciation. It could also be another personality on a quest to unite the selves.
The other people mentioned; Mr. Domburg, Melinda, Paddy, etc, are other personaities which deal with other feelings.

This is all just an idea, so please comment and fill in gaps!


1.outside is a dissasosciative identity hypercrime

blacktropic84
(grinning soul)
08/28/04 10:36 PM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: Pythonis]  

could maybe someone retell the story, track by track for me please? when i listen to the album i dont really know what is going on, just what i read in the booklet. thanks!

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QwertyArk
(mortal with potential)
08/29/04 04:06 AM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: Pythonis]  

I've been thinking of almost the same thing...

Baby Grace is the victim, an own person.

Leon is a person, but he's got other personas, that killed Grace.

Ramona A. Stone is one of Leons personas, they fell in love with each other, but something happened, and now they are not together. But she still lives in Leons body.

The Minotaur is another of Leons personas, used by Ramona to kill Baby Grace and get Leon in trubbel.

Algeria Touchshreik, a very confused persona, who is trying to talk to someone (sort out the problem) so he creates this other persona (Waloff Domburg) that is almost the same as him.

Nathan Adler, a psychologist who tries to prove that Leon is innocent.

Paddy, Adlers "helping hand".

Miranda, I'm not really sure who this is. I've read here at this MB that someone thought it could be Graces mother, and that Ramona took over the role as mother (who's been wearing Mirandas clothes).

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QwertyArk
(mortal with potential)
08/29/04 04:08 AM
Re: Essay about Outside [re: pablopicasso]  

Yes, I've understood that.
It's too bad...

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