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Mxy
(mortal with potential)
08/30/04 00:44 AM
Did Ziggy kill himself?  

Or did "the kids" kill him? Are "the kids" his fans? Who's "the fly" and why was he trying to break their balls?



poorsoul
(acolyte)
08/30/04 01:29 AM
Scuba new [re: Mxy]  

No, it was the leprosy.

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pianocraft
(cracked actor)
08/30/04 07:26 AM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: Mxy]  

Ziggy did not kill himself, I believe. I feel that he urged the kids to kill him so he could be a Christ figure. This is why the singer says, "he took it too far."

The fly symbolizes death.



Pythonis
(electric tomato)
08/30/04 09:42 AM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: Mxy]  

I took it to mean that the pressures of fame and god-worship of the fans drove him to drugs and alcohol, and he "took it all too far" and ODd.

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hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
08/30/04 11:34 AM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: Mxy]  

I took it to mean that his status and the reverie his presence sent fans into drove them too far. They got caught up in the moment and the phenomenon and killed him by mobbing him because they loved his amazing skill and persona too much.

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jump93
(kook)
08/30/04 08:26 PM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: hangontoyourself]  

Although Ziggy can come alive every now and again in a different form according to a friend of Bowie's.

"When he's drunk he thinks he's Ziggy" said Lou Reed at a press conference during a low point around the mid-seventies.

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zigbot
(cracked actor)
08/31/04 02:01 PM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: Mxy]  

I am not so sure Ziggy ended up physically dead--just artistically dead. He went too far too fast and "the kids"--his fickle fans--moved on and outgrew him. They figuratively "killed the man" and broke up the band.

Why do I think Ziggy didn't really die? Because, in Rock 'n Roll Suicide I see an older, aging Ziggy crying out to the young rock gods du jour "I've had my share, so I'll help you with the pain, your not alone, gimme your hands." He also speaks of walking by a cafe "but you can't eat when you've lived too long." So Ziggy is older . . . not actually old, but deemed "old" in the ever youth-obcessed world of popular music. His fans have moved on, Ziggy is washed up, but he still recalls both his glory days and the agony of stardom, so he reaches out to the new clueless rockers of the day to help them through the pain.

zigbot

hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
08/31/04 02:34 PM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: zigbot]  

I'd never thought of that. Maybe the "Rock and Roll Suicide" was his move...maybe the killing was of his drive to carry on and his creativity.

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Mxy
(mortal with potential)
08/31/04 09:24 PM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: hangontoyourself]  

He couldn't have aged THAT much... remember there's only Five Years left.



hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
09/01/04 12:46 PM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: Mxy]  

But Ziggy was phenomenally famous remember - he could have gone off his head in a very short space of time. I offer the example of Brian Jones...

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zigbot
(cracked actor)
09/01/04 01:46 PM
Re: Did Ziggy kill himself? new [re: Mxy]  

In reply to:

He couldn't have aged THAT much... remember there's only Five Years left.


Not necessarily. The album begins with the prediction of a five-year countdown to the end of civilization on Earth. But predictions do not always come true. And even if it were just a five-year span, Bowie was 25 in 1972, when he introduced us to Ziggy with the grim prelude in Five Years. Five years later, Bowie would be 30. I think that, when rock and roll was younger, and pop culture was still a relatively new phenomenon, a 30-year-old rock star/teen idol was sort of unthinkable. To a 25-year-old Bowie, or to a 25-year-old Ziggy, the idea of a 30-year-old Ziggy was kinda preposterous. There was the ASSUMPTION that Ziggy would be washed up by then.

Well, 32 years after Bowie's dire prediction in Five Years, I can say that I've never been happier about an INACCURATE prediction than I am about this one.

zigbot


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