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spacie_oddity
(grinning soul)
11/02/04 05:52 AM
R U A Diamond dog?  

on listening to the diamonds dog album a lot again recently, My G/F had poped the question to me "What is a diamond dog?"" does anyone out there have there ideas?

My interpretation might be blured but I belive that maybe there not very nice creatures, and there a metaphor for people (men i assume) that prey on inocent victims, like a pack of dogs. Ive also noticed Bowie using the word "dog"in his recent song "Fall Dog Bombs the Moon" which to me sounds like the same type of metaphor.

what do u all think??

THAT IS NOT LOGICAL CAPTAIN!

ChesireCat
(grinning soul)
11/02/04 08:00 AM
R U A Diamond dog? new [re: spacie_oddity]  

According to legend (oy vey...) Bowie came up with the name Diamond Dogs by putting together man's best friend (=dog) and a girl's best friend (diamond's)... hence Diamond Dogs.

I think that he used this because, as you say, they are not "nice people". They're misleading creatures that while posing as your friends, actually are evil (they're vultures, that hide behind the trees .... hunt you to the ground, they will).

As for the Fall Dog methaphor ... Fall Dog is G Dubbya. He's the guy at the front that takes the "Fall" (like a stunt or fall guy). He's just the mascot to the powers behind him ... the face for the campaign.

I also like the play of words Bowie uses here ... I swear he sometimes sings "Fool Dog Bombs the Moon" instead of Fall Dog.

`Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?'
`That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat.
`I don't much care where --' said Alice.
`Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat.


diamondogz74
(acolyte)
11/02/04 08:12 AM
Re: R U A Diamond dog? new [re: spacie_oddity]  

In reply to:

My interpretation might be blured but I belive that maybe there not very nice creatures


Present company excluded of course

I always thought that the Diamond Dogs had evolved after the nuclear holocaust, their self-centred ways of loving themselves glancing at their reflections as they stroll down Love Me Avenue, as to wether thay are actually bad? Im not sure.

It's a great pity the film or the musical never came about, I read there was to be a scene near the end where the Diamond Dogs would turn around to face the audience and shoot them.

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icarusboy
(kook)
11/02/04 10:53 AM
Re: R U A Diamond dog? new [re: diamondogz74]  

WOW! I never knew this. I wasn't even aware there was much information around about the ill-fated musical of 1984/Diamond Dogs.

Does anyone know any more info regarding this?

iccy

"God thinks he's all that and a bag of chips."- David Bowie

Rocknrollinbitch
(absolute beginner )
11/02/04 11:12 AM
Re: R U A Diamond dog? new [re: spacie_oddity]  

The 'dogs' were human (10,000 peoploids) survivors of the holocaust - the 'diamonds' reflected the fact that they wore looted jewellery etc. They hunted in 'packs' and thus were called dogs.



ChesireCat
(grinning soul)
11/02/04 11:18 AM
Diamond dogs musical new [re: icarusboy]  

What I know is that Bowie at first wanted to create a musical/Rock opera around George Orwell's 1984, but the Orwell state didn't give permission for the material to be released (as the movie that starred Richard Burton and John Hurt was in initial talks). Bowie even tried to write the Soundtrack for that movie but again got rejected.

Out of spite (I believe) he took what he had done, composed a sci-fi, futuristic song to include all his ideas in one album: Diamond Dogs. Now, if you take all the songs from the album after Diamond Dogs, they can all be related to the 1984 storyline.

So Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (Reprise) can be about Wilson going out for hookers (Sweet Thing) and then getting to know the Richard Burton character (Candidate) and then comparing both with Seduction agents on Wilson (Sweet Thing reprise)). Rebel Rebel can be about the girl (man, I can't remember any of the character's names ... I have to read the book again or see the movie), We Are The Dead about their condition (Wilson, girl and the people in general), Dodo about the kids turning their parents in and 1984, Big Brother and the Chant of the Ever-Circling... are pretty obvious. Rock'nRoll with me might be the only one added just as filler on the album.

If you want an idea about what the musical would've sounded like, you can probably listen to 1984/Dodo from the Sound + Vision box set or the Diamond Dogs 30th Anniversary CD (on the extra disc).

I suppose there's more info on the musical ... maybe Adam or Dara could help us out or point us to a trustworthy source?

`Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?'
`That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat.
`I don't much care where --' said Alice.
`Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat.


blacktropic84
(kook)
11/02/04 06:53 PM
Re: Diamond dogs musical new [re: ChesireCat]  

My idea is that the Diamond Dogs are a ClockworkOrange like gang ......

Andy! Can I have a cup of coffee? ..... And a drummer?

All Sliced Up And Sealed Tight In Baggies
Guess Love Makes You Do Funny Things

ChesireCat
(grinning soul)
11/03/04 08:57 AM
Diamond dogs musical new [re: blacktropic84]  

I've always pictured the Diamond Dogs as the lower classes of a society who got neglected into being turned into mutants. So, the "High society" or "Rich society" got to live at the tops of buildings and didn't mutate. With their still human-ape like bodies (which lets them climb) they live on the skyscrapers and go down sometimes, although they have to beware of the Diamond Dogs who are after them to kill them.

As Diamond Dogs are a sort of cross between men and dogs (like in the cover) they're not able to climb ... and that's why the others live on building tops.

Halloween Jack is probably one of the rebels from the un-mutated society that would eventually throughout the album (if it were only about diamond dogs) turn from an uptight, unaware-of-what-the-DD's-life-is person to a conscious person, fighting for equality and all that crap ...

It's a little romantized, but that's how I've pictured it.

`Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?'
`That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat.
`I don't much care where --' said Alice.
`Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat.


QwertyArk
(mortal with potential)
11/03/04 10:36 AM
Re: Diamond dogs musical new [re: ChesireCat]  

"We are the dead" is actually a phrase that the guy and the girl (god, I can't remember the names either!) says to each other when their forbidden love gets discovered.

This is the chrome, my friend, the chrome

Mxy
(grinning soul)
11/03/04 08:39 PM
Re: Diamond dogs musical new [re: QwertyArk]  

The lyrics to We Are The Dead make me think of some kind of fanatic realising that his loved one doesn't share his convictions. I imagine the fanatic (Rebel Rebel? Halloween Jack?) sitting naked in bed as his partner sleeps, singing "Something kind of hit me today...". "People will hold us to blame" makes me think that he's planning to do something drastic.

And I cried for all the others till the day was nearly through
For I realized that God's a Young American too


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