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to_dizzy
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/18/05 05:31 PM
The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous song  

This title track to one of Bowie's hardest rocking albums is easily one of his most mysterious ever. Beginning with a slithering snake charming riff, the narrator sings about meeting another person "upon a stair."

Bowie presumes that the person he meets had "died alone, a long, long time ago." The person tells him that no, he "never lost control" and that Bowie is "face to face with the man who sold the world." But who is this person the narrator meets? The answer is simple.

Bowie is meeting Christ, the one who "sold" or convinced the world that he was God. Christ "died alone a long, long time ago" and Christ has enabled the "millions" in the song who also died alone, to yet still be alive, resurrected.

What is the setting of this song? The song takes place in heaven. Bowie is there with the millions of others who "never lost control" and are now "face to face" with the one who convinced the world.

The song fades with a chant of joyous triumph as millions sing together in heaven, reunited with their loved ones.



to_dizzy
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/18/05 09:13 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous song new [re: to_dizzy]  

Here is a response I got to this thread on another message board. The responder is answering an objection from another poster who says he'll believe my interpretation only if it came out of Bowie's mouth:

In reply to:

It doesnt matter if it came out of Bowie's mouth or not, the nature of literary interpretation is such that we take the meaning as that which is negotiated by the reader/listener with the text.
As a literary academic I think Blackcobra's reading of this seminal text is both astute and erudite, and I subscribe to his interpretation totally, particularly when it is read within the gnostic/western esoteric spiritual context of other works of this period such as "Quicksand" or "Width of a Circle".


Incidentally, "black cobra" is my username over there.



schizophrenic
(stardust savant)
06/18/05 11:32 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: to_dizzy]  

You know, that makes an awful lot of sense. Not sure if that's what Bowie had in mind, but it definetely works.

"I'm simply not clicking on a link to foreskin.org. No, I'm not." - Emil

boguswoman
(crash course raver)
06/19/05 04:59 AM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: schizophrenic]  

This is certainly interesting, but I'll take the liberty to point out in the place of the moderator that threads like this and the one you made about 'I'ts No Game' rather belong in the 'Interpretation' section. No big deal here, of course, but this is just for you future knowledge

''I like reality a lot! I'm hungry for it.'' - David Bowie

zigbot
(stardust savant)
06/20/05 02:55 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous song new [re: to_dizzy]  

In reply to:

The answer is simple.


What idiocy. If "literary interpretation" is all about what the words will allow in terms of plausible meaning, how can you say that there is any single "answer," much less a "simple" one?

Oh, and don't answer the question, either. I just posed it to make you look bad, not because I care how you answer it.

zigbot

bibiStardust
(crash course raver)
06/21/05 04:21 AM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: zigbot]  

In reply to:

Oh, and don't answer the question, either. I just posed it to make you look bad, not because I care how you answer it.


Well Zigbot, you seem to be a nice guy...

Anyway, i never thought of TMWSTW in this way, but after all why not?


There's this feeling that we're going to be living until the end of time



Pablo-Picasso
(electric tomato)
06/21/05 04:27 AM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: bibiStardust]  

Yeah and Dara is a nice chick too.




You should not underestimate people, not everybody is as thick as you.


carsten
(kook)
06/21/05 06:27 AM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous song new [re: to_dizzy]  

Bowie is meeting Christ

A long, long time ago I read an interpretation of TMWSTW ( the whole LP, i.e.) which also had this idea of Jesus = The Man Who Sold The World.

Taking this as the basic assumption, I was always wondering
if TMWSTW is portrayed as a positive or a negative person - I never figured that out...

/Carsten




zigbot
(stardust savant)
06/21/05 02:19 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: bibiStardust]  

In reply to:

Well Zigbot, you seem to be a nice guy...

Anyway, i never thought of TMWSTW in this way, but after all why not?


Why does everyone think I'm a "guy"? Anyway, bibiStardust, as I explained HERE, what I termed "idiocy" was not to_dizzy's interpretation itself, but his smug, self-satisfied editorializing that he had not only found the one, true, and ONLY interpretation of this song, but that finding that ONE "answer" was, for a man of his great intellect, "simple."

To_dizzy purposefully says stuff like that because he knows I'll take the bait and call him on it. I must be predictable. But also predictable is to_dizzy's false indignation at my anticipated responses to his high-flying statements. This whole thing is starting not to be fun anymore.

zigbot

guiltpuppy
(crash course raver)
06/21/05 03:23 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: zigbot]  

In reply to:

Why does everyone think I'm a "guy"?



Because you chose the handle "zigbot", and everyone knows that robots are by default male, just like males are by default robots.
To avoid this confusion, you could have chosen a name like "zigbotette" or "zigbotrix" or something.

2005 Vicious Post Count: 3

schizophrenic
(stardust savant)
06/21/05 03:55 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: zigbot]  

In reply to:

This whole thing is starting not to be fun anymore.


Starting?


"I'm simply not clicking on a link to foreskin.org. No, I'm not." - Emil

ulfdub
(kook)
06/21/05 08:11 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous song new [re: to_dizzy]  

the "man who sold the world" into sin, is by scripture identified as ADAM, not JESUS.
JESUS gave his life as a ransom to REPURCHASE fallen mankind. he is "the man who bought the world" with his precious blood.
swiped with blood and emblazed tatooes



zigbot
(stardust savant)
06/22/05 05:44 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: guiltpuppy]  

In reply to:

robots are by default male


Perhaps that is the common perception. But doesn't anyone else here remember the fembots on The Bionic Woman in the 70s? I'm one of them. Although I kinda like the S&M, dominatrix vibe behind zigbotrix . . . hmmm. Something to consider.

zigbot

ghostlove
(electric tomato)
06/23/05 01:56 PM
I am the push robot...listen to me! new [re: zigbot]  

I don't mind s&m, but with robots!?!? hmm.... maybe

ice



to_dizzy
(kook)
06/23/05 09:37 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous song new [re: ulfdub]  

In reply to:

the "man who sold the world" into sin, is by scripture identified as ADAM, not JESUS.
JESUS gave his life as a ransom to REPURCHASE fallen mankind. he is "the man who bought the world" with his precious blood.


This is easily the most intelligent response I have ever had. Thank you sir. The best criticism of my post. However, I don't think Bowie knows scripture so, in describing Jesus, he directly contradicted the way God described him.



bibiStardust
(crash course raver)
06/24/05 11:01 AM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: zigbot]  

In reply to:

Why does everyone think I'm a "guy"?


Soryy, i'm French, and, my English teacher told me once, guy was for men AND women... in Us i thk...

Anyway, i was just saying you SEEM to be nice (ironicly, of course, but still...SEEM)...so don't get angry at me, i don't know you.

There's this feeling that we're going to be living until the end of time



zigbot
(stardust savant)
06/24/05 05:07 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: bibiStardust]  

Hey bibi, I'm not "angry" at all. I'm glad I can "SEEM" nice. Actually, I think it's times when I'm not that nice that make people assume I'm male. It bothers me that females can't be "assholes." It's a good, non-sex-specific word, as far as I'm concerned. So . . . next time I piss anyone off, please call me an asshole.

zigbot

JR_Ewing
(absolute beginner )
06/25/05 07:00 AM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: zigbot]  

Let's just try and stick to the point here.
This is "interpretation".

So what you do is you add your interpretation. If you do not agree with someones interpretation, you state why and you provide a alternative without being a ass.

This goes for all of you kids.

Got that? Good.

By the way, Hi!


More oil and no Barnes!

zigbot
(stardust savant)
06/27/05 02:08 PM
Re: The Man Who Sold The World- Bowie's joyous son new [re: JR_Ewing]  

JR, you country bumfuck idiot! All you had to do was call me an asshole, but you blew it. Anyway, I thought you were shot, or dead, or some shit.

zigbot


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