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nekoneko
(wild eyed peoploid)
11/24/00 00:09 AM
We Are The Dead  

We Are The Dead. this is just the most incredible thing. i do not own diamond dogs, but will Very soon. but it is beautiful, haunting and epic. i just sit in my car and listen to it again and agian.
Alors mes persons, what do yall think of this song i think it sounds like it could of come off heroes or something more developmental.
i havnt even processed the lyrics fully to interpret. in fact i am so enthralled by the song that i cannot begin to.
any thoughts or feelings.
included, a particularly interesting piece of the song.Oh, dress yourself, my urchin one, for I hear them on the rails
Because of all we've seen, because of all we've said
We are the dead




When I needed soul revival
I called your name


Isolar_
(kook)
11/25/00 07:31 AM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

It's hard for me to call DD an 'epic',cause I feel that to achieve epic staus, an album must come from the heart. This was a failed rock-opera whatever album. I do love the album, but the fact it was written lyrically by cut and paste methods, bothers me. Now heroes used Eno's OBLIQUE STRATEGIES, but if you've ever used these cards, you know they don't solve anything, they just give you possible ways of approacing a problem. And then the bulk of Earthling was written by putting words into a pc, and randomly spitting them out, that also bothers me.

'im scared to touch, too tense to be undone'

Tristan
(electric tomato)
11/25/00 12:45 PM
Earthling. new [re: Isolar_]  

I don't know why that should bother you, Isolar_. I thought that's one reason we all like Bowie. He does things different.



Isolar_
(kook)
11/25/00 01:02 PM
Re: Earthling. new [re: Tristan]  

call me sentimental Iso.

'im scared to touch, too tense to be undone'

Earnest
(mortal with potential)
11/25/00 01:56 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

We Are The Dead has always been a favorite of mine. It's one of those songs that you can listen to and not listen to the lyrics (like an Eno song) and still get that feeling of urgentcy and love. However, if you listen to the lyrics they're absolutely beautiful and compelling, "It's the theatre of financiers / Count them, fifty 'round a table / White and dressed to kill." Yet also simplistic, "I love you in your fuck-me pumps."

Sorry, I'm a bit obsessed today so I should stop now.



Eddie_the_Bear
(grinning soul)
11/25/00 03:12 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: Isolar_]  

I'm not going to call it an epic, but that's not because it's not from the heart. While I'm not convinced that we can accurately gauge what is and is not in the writer's heart (i.e. some calculation seems to be necessary), it would be the thematic material, not the writer's attitude, that would make an epic, as far as I can tell.

Also -- and I don't mean this to be a loophole -- Bowie doesn't bind himself to use cut/paste methods, does he? I assume if he wouldn't use results if he didn't like them.

chimi chimi chimi, cello cello cello...

Eddie_the_Bear
(grinning soul)
11/25/00 03:22 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

I like it; may I suggest it could be the key song on the Diamond Dogs album? (Perhaps I hear it in this way because it's the only song I hadn't heard, elsewhere or on live recordings, when I bought DD.) My only explanation is that -- and I suppose Suite Thing works in a similar way -- it fills in the conceptual gaps. The final songs are more straightforward Orwell (relatively speaking, that is) and the singles are more Bowiesque (that's why they were singles). There are a lot of lyrics, which are prime material for Interpretation, although I'm not about to do the job. Even half-heard, they're a must for the sake of conceptual continuity.

PS Perhaps Radiohead listened before making Subterranean Homesick Alien?

chimi chimi chimi, cello cello cello...

ravensilver09
(kook)
11/25/00 06:39 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: Eddie_the_Bear]  

I love Subterranean Homesick Alien! If Bowie used the same technique as Radiohead did for SHA, then I will certainly have to look for DD.

Big fish eat the little ones...big fish eat the little ones... -Radiohead

Ziggi
(kook)
11/25/00 06:54 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: ravensilver09]  

I love We Are The Dead as well. Everytime I listen to it the song is stuck in my head for days. I think that it has a type of vulgar, irresistable beauty, kind of like Ziggy Stardust himself. The line "defacating ecstasy" makes me shiver but it is one of my favorite lines in that song, the other one being "I love you in your fuck-me pumps".

I'm a phallus in pigtails.

ellaadams
(kook)
11/25/00 07:54 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

We Are The Dead is my favorite one on Diamond Dogs, and in the top ten overall. I love it, the lyrics are excellent, the music itself is perfect with the lyrics.


You - are not a victim
You - just scream with boredom
You - are not evicting time

BarbieBitch
(mortal with potential)
11/25/00 08:05 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

I love that song very much. I remember the first time i was listening to it, i picked up the book 1984, opened it at a random place, and the first things my little eyes saw was the phrase 'we are the dead'
That scared me a little.

My soul embraces one more in a million faces (Chesney Hawkes)

SillyBoyBlue
(wild eyed peoploid)
11/25/00 10:11 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

In reply to:

what do yall think of this song i think it sounds like it could of come off heroes or something more developmental.


maybe. it may be a bit of a stretch but anyone think it could be re-written in the style of "Some Are"? eh? eh?

"CHANGE YOUR MIND"

LynnLinn
(wild eyed peoploid)
11/25/00 10:24 PM
Fuck-me pumps new [re: Ziggi]  

Yep....have to agree on the sexiness in the lyrics of this song. In high school I would sing it "Funky pumps" so my parents, (and frankly my uptight schoolmates) wouldn't freak out.

Speaking of which, once I had a walkman with a compilation Bowie tape that I brought to High School. My classmates, well we all knew each other pretty well since we were in Honors and 60 of you kind of go to the same classes together for 7 years....Anyway, they wanted to know what kind of music I listened to, because I looked very bookwormy? nerdy? I had straight hair, bangs and braces...but had somehow gained the reputation of being a "punk".

I probably would've dressed like a punk if it weren't for my facist, overlording, abusive up-bringing...but I digress because I probably really WOULD have been a nerdy, bookworm if I hadn't been beat up everyday.

So, I remember passing my headphones around the room, and most people were happily surprised at the songs they knew, and didn't know, they basically felt that they had gotten to know me better. But then the music was passed to the man o' my dreams, the guy I was in serious secret love with...and he TOTALLY freaked out! I took the headphones back and realized it was "Cracked Actor" and he just heard "Suck BABY SUCK! Gimme' your head!" ah well, c'est la vie, c'est la guerre, c'est l'amour...I guess. lol!

Yep, Bowie has some pretty sexy/slutty and to some people scary lyrics, and that's just ANOTHER reason to love his music!!!

-LynnLinn

Official Ambassador of the now dismantled Rose_Stardust Fan Club

LynnLinn
(wild eyed peoploid)
11/25/00 10:33 PM
1984 new [re: nekoneko]  

nekoneko,

I drudged through George Orwell's "1984", because Diamond Dogs was derived from it. I don't recommend it though, because it's SO boring compared to Bowie's version.

Orwell probably explained "thought speak", and "think speak" a total of 300 times by the second chapter. I was like "I GET IT!!! Let's move on!"

BUT, I really interpret this song as a love that's destined to fail, and rather than the lovers have hope like in Romeo and Juliet, they accept that their love will fail, and knowing in the comfort of that, they tentatively stay together until they're broken apart.

So, it's "Heroes" in reverse, In Heroes our lovers will stop at nothing to be together, and in "We are the Dead" our lovers stop at the threat of torture or death, or whatever terrible fate awaits them if they get caught. So they stay "alive", but just barely because they can't DO what they want to do, their senses are intentionally deadened...hence...They are the dead.

-LynnLinn

Official Ambassador of the now dismantled Rose_Stardust Fan Club

ellaadams
(kook)
11/26/00 00:18 AM
Re: 1984 new [re: LynnLinn]  

Really? I loved 1984, but I thought the ending was clumsy in comparison to the rest.

You are not a victim
You just sceam with boredom
You are not evicting time

LynnLinn
(wild eyed peoploid)
11/26/00 05:19 AM
Re: 1984 new [re: ellaadams]  

Like I said it was repetitive, in a redundant way, they said things over and over so that you'd get the point, he overexplained, repeated himself, in a tediously repetitive way...over and over again....on and on...in a redundant, repetitive way, where you got the point long, long ago, but he kept making his point over and over again, endlessly, with no end, repeating the same thing over and over in a repetitive, droning, endless, ceaseless, tediously repeating way.

Know what I mean, when someone tells you the same thing over and over again? I mean I would never tell someone something over and over again, like some kind of broken record, or mocking bird, or parrot who wouldn't shut up, just going on and on...in an endless post of rambling, repetitive, redundant, thought that had only one point to it, being repeated over and over, in this redundant, repetitive, tirelessly boring way...just on and on about the same thing y'know?

I would NEVER do that. I'm just not that kind of repetitive, droning, boring, person, who just doesn't know when her points been made. I wouldn't repeat anything I've already said...even if it was said in a different way, but had the same meaning. I would NEVER do that.

-LynnLinn
-LynnLinn
-LynnLinn
-LynnLinn
-LynnLinn
-LynnLinn

Official Ambassador of the now dismantled Rose_Stardust Fan Club

AladdinBizzare
(mortal with potential)
11/26/00 03:02 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

This song is truly beautiful and perfect for the theme of the album.



crimsondynamo
(wild eyed peoploid)
12/04/00 01:22 AM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

I'm posting to reload this to the top cause I love this song -

It can be so complex, but at the same time so simple. I think it's probably the most beautiful song on diamond dogs. It's also eerie and haunting, like you said. It gives you a strange feeling, shivers or whatever. Listen to it in headphones, the slight offset in his voice, reverb echoing between the speakers adds to that eerie quality, along with the (is it a hammond organ?) arpeggio in the background and the steady pounding rhythm. When it goes into the second verse, it seems like a mood change, from urgent and depressing to almost some sort of madness. I also really like the vocal harmonies, not to mention the melody and lyrics. I won't even go into the lyrics. Anyways, that's my $.02 about it... Someone want to analyze the lyrics?



hallospace
(wild eyed peoploid)
12/04/00 01:28 AM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: ellaadams]  

We are the dead is a great song
I, for one, believe it to be one of his spooky-est songs

I AM THE DEVIL


Fat Bastard (Angelic Whore)
(wild eyed peoploid)
12/04/00 03:25 AM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: hallospace]  

My all-time favorite song. Bowie has a myriad of ways to describe sexual acts....

We're taking it hard all the time - refers to sex.
I love you in your fuck me pumps - is sex appeal.
Pressing our love through the night - is staying power.
Oh caress yourself, my juicy - masturbation
For my hands have all but withered - too much masturbation
Trusting on the sons of our love - incest
Breaking in the new boys - intercouse with male virgins
White and dressed to kill - the Theatre of Financiers are also virgins.
Locator for the virgin King - The virgin king does the breaking in. The locator is Coco Schwab.
It's a twenty-four hour service - it's a whorehouse.


And the crackerjack:

Defecating ecstasy - is taking a great dump.

That line in particular, summarises my entire being.

Fat Bastard blows his pipe of smoulders, blankets smoke into the room

Frank_Solo
(wild eyed peoploid)
12/06/00 03:21 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: nekoneko]  

"We Are The Dead" has always been one of my favourites.
But if you want to love the song even more, you should read "1984" by Orwell. Suddely the lyrics will make complete sense, and the song will be even more beautiful.

We'll watch the crazy people dance around!

AladdinBizzare
(electric tomato)
12/06/00 05:43 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: Frank_Solo]  

The whole album (which I learned to enjoy further after being carted away by the ministry of love) makes more sense if you read the book.

It's got claws, it's got me, it's got you


Sysiyo
(electric tomato)
12/07/00 07:54 AM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: AladdinBizzare]  

I think it's a wonderfull album, and I'm looking forward to reading the book as soon as i find it from the libruary (who says that music isn't civilizing? I never would have even thought of reading 1984 unless it was for Diamond Dogs )



I'm the return of the Diamond [grey]Cat[/grey]

pussycatraynor
(wild eyed peoploid)
12/08/00 04:11 PM
Candidate new [re: nekoneko]  

Funny, I was thinking of the album too... don't know what sparked it but I could not get these lines out of my head... they are so chilling.

Well, on the street where you live I could not hold up my head
For I put all I have in another bed
On another floor, in the back of a car
In the cellar of a church with the door ajar
Well, I guess we must be looking for a different kind
But we can't stop trying 'til we break up our minds
'Til the sun drips blood on the seedy young knights
Who press you on the ground while shaking in fright
I guess we could cruise down one more time
With you by my side, it should be fine
We'll buy some drugs and watch a band
Then jump in the river holding hands

God-- that's just devastating (esp. "But we can't stop trying 'til we break up our minds....) to be in that place of mind-- that must be HELL..
It is an amazing album--I think it ranks with Outside.

"Let go of my hand, Ed".

Cisite
(kook)
01/19/02 04:21 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: neko the lion]  

A Criminally Underated Song!!

"Why Can't People Go Through life without Comparing their own to anyone elses ?"

LaughingGnoome
(kook)
03/11/03 08:00 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: neko the lion]  

In The lines

"And the streets are full of press men
Bent on getting hung and buried"

Are the "press men" opportunistic rapists in the post apocalyptic world?

Because in the song, Bowie sings

"I looked at you and counted all the times we had laid
Pressing our love through the night
Knowing it's right, knowing it's right"

And in Candidate he sings

"'Til the sun drips blood on the seedy young knights
Who press you on the ground while shaking in fright"

In both these cases "press" means intercourse.

Of course press men could be also referring to reporters. But the part "bent on getting hung", also suggests sex, and "hung and buried" could suggest capital punishment for such individuals.

I havent read 1984 nor do i intend to, so it could be just that having sex is illegal and punishable by death.

talking through the gloom

AdamModerator
(crash course raver)
06/06/03 10:39 AM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

I really like your interpretation of the "press men" and although you posted it six months ago, well something kind of hit me today....

Is "the virgin king" in fact one of these "press men"? Perhaps the virgin king is some kind of official deflowerer, with this adding up to people no longer have a say in anything....not even their virginity?


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LaughingGnoome
(electric tomato)
06/06/03 10:58 PM
We Are The Dead - Pressmen and all new [re: Adam]  

This story is told from the point of view of a 'mutant' (Halloween Jack?) and his lover (The "Locator for the virgin king", who is an "urchin" or street kid). I also believe that where "we" is used in the song, this usually refers to the 'lovers'.

"Something kind of hit me today
I looked at you and wondered if you saw things my way
People will hold us to blame
It hit me today, it hit me today"


"We're taking it hard all the time
Why don't we pass it by?
Just reply, you've changed your mind
We're fighting with the eyes of the blind
Taking it hard, taking it hard"


To me "Taking It Hard" has a number of possibilities,

One of them is about cannibalism - "why dont we pass it by? (it being one of the "last few corpses...rotting on the slimy thoroughfare") and "We feel that we are paper choking on you nightly" suggesting this to me, along with the song title. Also -> "People will hold us to blame It hit me today, it hit me today", people would hold them to "blame" perhaps if they were eating corpses. Also they could be "fighting" their horror and disgust "with the eyes of the blind" as they are eating. "For you're dancing where the dogs decay, defecating ecstasy" also suggests positive activity "dancing" in a place reeking of death, but having food in their bodies then even defecation is something to be grateful for and celebrated -> "defecating ecstasy".

The other possibility is the harsh realities of their lives (which are destroying their spirits), or sex with Bowie remarking that lovemaking (which is supposed to be tender) has been replaced by something "hard".

In reply to:

Is "the virgin king" in fact one of these "press men"? Perhaps the virgin king is some kind of official deflowerer, with this adding up to people no longer have a say in anything not even their virginity?


"Yet now
We feel that we are paper, choking on you nightly
They tell me "Son, we want you, be elusive, but don't walk far"
For we're breaking in the new boys, deceive your next of kin
For you're dancing where the dogs decay, defecating ecstasy
You're just an ally of the leecher
Locator for the virgin King, but I love you in your fuck-me pumps
And your nimble dress that trails
Oh, dress yourself, my urchin one, for I hear them on the rails
Because of all we've seen, because of all we've said
We are the dead"


Considering...

"You're just an ally of the leecher
Locator for the virgin King"

A leecher is someone who wants something for free, Sweet Thing deals with sex being the most widely peddled commodity on the street. There are two ways to get sex for free and rape is one of them. Although as i will elaborate on more later, i kinda feel the "virgin king" may be sort of a pimp.

"For we're breaking in the new boys, deceive your next of kin
For you're dancing where the dogs decay, defecating ecstasy"

"Breaking in" also could mean 'deflowering', though it also has a dimension not inconsistant with rape (breaking in is invading). "New boys" suggesting virgins. "Deceive your next of kin" could refer to them warning an inititate not to tell anyone about what is going down, secrecy. "Defecating ecstasy" could refer to anal sex. "Where the dogs decay" could hint at a certain location, or could simply be a description of activities which are filthy and depraved. The word "dancing" could mean putting on a performance (and relates well to the description of the songs activities as a "theatre of financiers").

What if its all just a game? Ie in that they are role playing? This seems to be hinted in the following line, particularly by "elusive". Ie pretend that you dont want to be caught.

"They tell me "Son, we want you, be elusive, but don't walk far"

What if its a 'service' of some kind?

"It's a twenty-four hour service, guaranteed to make you tell" and "It's the theater of financiers Count them, fifty 'round a table White and dressed to kill", ie the money men get to determine the nature of the entertainment.

"One thing kind of touched me today
I looked at you and counted all the times we had laid
Pressing our love through the night
Knowing it's right, knowing it's right"

"Now I'm hoping some one will care
Living on the breath of a hope to be shared
Trusting on the sons of our love
That someone will care, someone will care"


"But now
We're today's scrambled creatures, locked in tomorrow's double feature
Heaven's on the pillow, its silence competes with hell
It's a twenty-four hour service, guaranteed to make you tell
And the streets are full of press men
Bent on getting hung and buried
And the legendary curtains are drawn 'round Baby Bankrupt
Who sucks you while you're sleeping
It's the theater of financiers
Count them, fifty 'round a table
White and dressed to kill"


"We're todays scrambled creatures, locked in tomorrows double feature" - confirms that the narrator and his lover are diamond dogs, half dog mutants. "scrambled creatures" could simply mean they are in a coital position. "Heavens on the pillow" - referring to the only pleasure they have, "its silence" means its hollowness, its emptiness. In relation to the idea that it is a service, could this tie in with "theatre of financiers"? , ie the rich white men "dressed to kill" who pay for the pleasure of hunting down and dishonouring the "virgins". But as depraved as it is, in the world of the diamond dogs it is compared to a "theatre"? There is also the possibility that the "theatre of financiers" are interested in more than sex, consider "white and dressed to kill" along with the title of the song and these lyrics..."Oh caress yourself my juicy for my hands have all but withered, oh dress yourself my urchin one for i hear them on the stairs because of all weve seen because of all weve said, we are the dead", ie the financiers like to kill too.

Then the "virgin king" could be like a pimp, paid to locate quarry for the "financiers", and the narrators own lover being one of his employees, paid to find them for him.

The society portrayed in Diamond Dogs is clearly obsessed with sex, the greatest intimacy ("One thing Kind of touched me today" - sounds like a ghouls touch) experienced is the sexual one, and even this is numbed enough that he clinically counts the number of times he has done it "counted all the times we had laid", after all "Heavens on the pillow, its silence competes with hell". "Pressing our love through the night" -> sex is love, love is sex. And this is partially what the chorus is alluding to....

"Because of all we've seen, because of all we've said
We are the dead"

They are deadened and numbed, their innocence is destroyed, they can take pleasure in nothing but sex, they might as well be dead.

"Oh caress yourself, my juicy
For my hands have all but withered
Oh dress yourself my urchin one, for I hear them on the stairs
Because of all we've seen, because of all we've said
We are the dead
We are the dead
We are the dead"



There are parts of this song that could be related to psudo-necrophilia, "Heavens on the pillow, its silence competes with hell" (ie pretending to be dead during sex - "silence"). "Bent on getting hung and buried", and especially "Oh caress yourself, my juicy For my hands have all but withered...".

Though i must conclude by saying that that is the songs message, the lovers are "dead", because their lives are devoid of compassion, hope and freedom, their innocence is gone "baby bankrupt", even sex is an ugly cold dead thing caress yourself my juicy for my hands have all but withered. There are glimpses of hope and reflection in the narrators speech "living on the breath of a hope to be shared" throughout the song, but these are interlocated twice with long reality checks..."but now....".

It really is quite a fantastic twisted little monster this song.

Edit: Upon further thought i am nearly certain it is "Your just an ally of the legion"instead of "Leecher".



zimmo
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/07/03 05:37 AM
Re: We Are The Dead - Pressmen and all new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

i think its about tender old fashioned archaic(non existant in that society) lovemaking (heaven on the pillow and silence ) Their kind of love being a intimate private act of individual freedom is forbidden This act is their rebelliion against the oppression of the fascist totalitairian mindcontrolling authorities(hell and the big brainwashing brother watching even their own minds) and allies(the dogs) and society (the already brainwashed and blind)All privacy (pressmen break privacy when they write publicly) and also sex is forbidden, (big brother i think is the virgin king because big brother forbids sex) )their act of love is like to dance where the dogs decay for with what they do they fight them and win in the eyes of themselves, they win back their personal freedom and original personal experience but with the price to loose their lives. The sons of their love are their love children or any offspring of their love perhaps they will care because they feel that the love they originated from is right
One is supposed not to think and question but blindly follow the leader (big brother) and all he wants to put into their brains
(they tell you son we want you be allusive but dont walk far- those are big brothers words -all what he (the protagonist-lover) tells his lover is the competition in his own mind against what they are made to believe by society with what he personally feels/ experiences in this love affair) They be haunted by the dogs from now (i hear them on the stairs)
They are the dead because the act they did will not be tolerated (they will be blamed)and on paper already they have deathpenalty for even thinking outside the prescribed lines .Love between two people is a word that is erased from the human vocabulairy, its non existant
Lovers are non existant too thats also why they are the dead in that kind of society.



revidescent
(crash course raver)
06/15/03 11:40 AM
Re: We Are The Dead - Pressmen and all new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

I always like reading your interpretations LaughingGnoome. Good job there!

Andrée-Anne

You are an undiagnosed high functioning schizophrenic.

LaughingGnoome
(electric tomato)
06/15/03 02:06 PM
Re: We Are The Dead - Pressmen and all new [re: zimmo]  

Rev, thanks.

Zimmo, i understand what you are alluding to. Interesting thoughts.

If love is banned by Big Brother, and sex too. That doesnt seem to be stopping them, far from it...

Because virtually every line in this song and at least two others (Rebel Rebel and Sweet Thing) is alluding to varying types and extremes of sexual imagery. From S&M "Putting pain in a stranger" to necrophilia suggested here by me "Oh Caress yourself my juicy for my hands have all but withered".

Can i ask you though, do you base this on the book 1984?



LemonInABag
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/11/03 10:47 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: neko the lion]  

I really love We Are The Dead it is prolly in my top three favorite bowie songs, the lyrics have always interested me but that was a cocaine-cut up lyrics time so its prolly hard to get a full idea, the beggining seems to paint the picture of a relationship in which he questions what the other person in the relationships feels about the relationship but also at the sametime that they are alone kinda and no one else cares about them sorta? but when it gets to the part about "count them 15 round the table white and dressed to kill" he sorta loses me.

Would you carry a razor, In a case just incase of depression?

dymondog
(mortal with potential)
08/06/03 08:02 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: LaughingGnoome]  

That's a good question Laughingnome. There is more sexuality in DD than in 1984, but the songs can usually be traced back to the book. In the case of 'We are the Dead' the title is a quote straight from the book.

TTo answer your question sex is discouraged always and illegal outside of marriage for party members (the upper class). However men still slip off to the prole sections of town to get sex from prostitutes and it is ignored. Sex between party members is strictly forbidden and yeilds real consequences.

The main charecter is married, but estranged from his wife for many years and has two sexual relationship. First is a short night with a prostitute and the second is a dangerous affair with a much younger party member. The affair becomes serious and transforming for them. They fall deeply in love and wind up dedicating their lives to each other and the destruction of Big Brother. The decision to fight Big Brother means certain death which is why they say to each other 'We are the Dead'.

To me most of this song is about the second relationship. I think it's pretty clear that Bowie was going to introduce things to his rock-opera that were not from the book, but let me quickly go through and point to what I think might relate to it:

Something kind of hit me today
I looked at you and wondered if you saw things my way
People will hold us to blame
It hit me today, it hit me today

The affair is illegal made worst by him being married, her being much younger and that she is an officer in the Women's Anti-Sex League who works in PronSec. If folks find out, they will be very harshly condemmed.

We're taking it hard all the time
Why don't we pass it by?
Just reply, you've changed your mind

Double meaning: Sex- why do keep risking the affair and Rebelion- Why are we so serious about ourselve as to take on big brother

We're fighting with the eyes of the blind
Taking it hard, taking it hard

No clue who to trust or how to fight the enemy

....
For you're dancing where the dogs decay, defecating ecstasy
You're just an ally of the legion (She's an Archetypal party member)
Locator for the virgin King, (Anti-Sex Leage officer)
but I love you in your fuck-me pumps
And your nimble dress that trails

She's secretly wears make-up and models provocative clothing for him.

Oh, dress yourself, my urchin one, for I hear them on the rails

They're busted and the cops are closing in.

Because of all we've seen, because of all we've said
We are the dead

One thing kind of touched me today
I looked at you and counted all the times we had laid
Pressing our love through the night
Knowing it's right, knowing it's right

They are right in their affair and cause.

Now I'm hoping some one will care
Living on the breath of a hope to be shared
Trusting on the sons of our love
That someone will care, someone will care

They're SOL, but mabe others will take up the causes

But now
We're today's scrambled creatures, locked in tomorrow's double feature
Heaven's on the pillow, its silence competes with hell
It's a twenty-four hour service, guaranteed to make you tell

They are in the Ministry of Love to be torchered until they break and will be put on TV (tommorrow's double feature) to confess to a long list of crimes they did not commit. On method from the book (and in use in by the US today) is sleep deprivation. Thus Heave. is on the pillow.

And the streets are full of press men
Bent on getting hung and buried

Could be news guys who are determined to tell the truth

And the legendary curtains are drawn 'round Baby Bankrupt
Who sucks you while you're sleeping
No hope for the poor

It's the theater of financiers
Count them, fifty 'round a table
White and dressed to kill

Oh caress yourself, my juicy
For my hands have all but withered
Oh dress yourself my urchin one, for I hear them on the stairs
Because of all we've seen, because of all we've said
We are the dead
We are the dead
We are the dead




Beltene
(kook)
08/06/03 08:12 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: dymondog]  

Have you ever seen Brazil?

esse mein scheisse

dymondog
(mortal with potential)
08/07/03 02:02 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: Beltene]  

I remember catching Brazil at a midnight show long ago, but I don't remember much about it. It had an imposing and absurd government right? But humorously inept and absurd, 1984 with humor?



Cucumber
(kook)
08/07/03 02:09 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: dymondog]  

The film is not immanently comical, it's comical as a delayed function of circumstances.

...the reason of the unreason with which my reason is afflicted so weakens my reason that with reason I murmur at your beauty;..

DigitalTiina
(mortal with potential)
08/23/03 07:05 PM
Re: We Are The Dead new [re: neko the lion]  

I'm another innocent victim of that killer song. I cannot believe such sounds and moods can be made by a human being. That's why I crown David Bowie to be my God. Diamond Dogs is incredible, the whole album. The only song that doesn't fit in nicely is Rebel Rebel, which is a catchy song. When you buy Diamond Dogs, get ready to be hooked on 'Sweet Thing', 'Candidate' and 'Sweet Thing (Reprise)' too. Those three songs turn into one and mess up your head like they have messed up mine. Hear my warning, Lion.

If everyone read <a href="www.femgeeks.net">slash</a> everyday, there'd be no wars.


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