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power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/10/06 06:37 PM
Clara-ty and Prayer new [re: Marquis]  

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"Clara" seems much more cat-like to me.


Okay, but I think Clara sounds too clumsy and big to be good cat name.

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I'm also not convinced that putting her head between her paws is necessarily a fearful reaction to the spinning collision of the mobile.


Good argument! I'd sort of pondered this possibility myself while preparing my definitive interpretation. Maybe Bowie is, like the cactus, surveying the room and the mobile's spinning is not causative of Clara's behavior.

I decided against this interpretation because the word "collision" implied to me a certain harshness and perhaps a noisiness that might upset a timid mongrel.

I was wrong before on another matter, too - cat's *do* put their heads between their paws when they are sleeping - which could be further construed to support the non-relationship between mobile and beast.

Good work, 'quis.

Vinny Pablorino:

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I always thought of it as the cat just relaxing.


Funny, I always thought of it as a dog frightened by the mobile. Pablo....have you stuffed and mummified your deceased mother, and is she upstairs in the attic right now looking down on the street for you to come home each evening. I know it's none of my business but, y'know, with that cat interp.....

Shelle:

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Har, you really don't understand much about human nature, do you?


I really don't, Shelle. But I *did* figure if I wrote that sentence you would, without a doubt, come back and post some more here. How about that? Now the question is, why would I want that???

I'll bet this will drive you away for good: Please explain to me how your New England-for-US is a "metaphorical leap" (or a "simple metaphor" if that is what you maintain).

The reason I say it is not metaphorical in the least is because....why? Show me you've read and understand my argument by filling in the blank. That way we can figure out who has the finely tuned noggin around here, and who is the pinhead. <---Ann Robinson-ism! Clever!


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Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy

Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/11/06 01:41 PM
Remedial Reading with Mistress Shelle new [re: power2charm]  

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Please explain to me how your New England-for-US is a "metaphorical leap" (or a "simple metaphor" if that is what you maintain).


Here's a serious question: do you have reading comprehension issues?

If not, please explain how you got from where I said I was making a metaphorical leap from England to New England to where you understood it as an attempted "New England-for-US" metaphor?

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


zigbot
(stardust savant)
01/11/06 04:44 PM
Re: Clara-fication new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

I agree. Clara, whether a dog or cat, is just hanging out. I don't think she's reacting to the mobile or to anything. She is luxuriously oblivious . . . which makes me think she's a cat.

zigbot

power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/11/06 05:56 PM
Any activity involving Shelle is remedial new [re: Shelle]  

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If not, please explain how you got from where I said I was making a metaphorical leap from England to New England to where you understood it as an attempted "New England-for-US" metaphor?


I quote you, Shelle, from your post dated 1/9/06: "I was merely making a metaphorical leap from Bowie's England (where cacti were in vogue) to New England," in explanation of your comment from one day earlier: "Figgers though that the Brits had that touch of class before it started to catch on in New England."

When you referred to New England you either:

1. Meant New England, which means there was no metaphorical leap, or

2. Meant something else - the U.S. I assumed, as it would make the most sense, though since New England isn't a metaphor for the U.S. it would not comprise a metaphorical leap.

You've now said my assumption was wrong. So you either meant New England to stand in for someplace or something else, or you meant New England, the six-state region east and north of New York.

I don't see any metaphorical leaps in this here chicken coop (do you recognize I've just made a metaphor?). I don't see any figurative leaps for that matter, which is what I suspect you meant.

School me, Shelle. Explain the metaphorical leap you made and prove what a finely tuned brain you have.

(I just hope to Christ you don't think England-to-New England is the metaphorical leap, cos that would make u a literal ignoramus.)

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Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy

Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/11/06 09:46 PM
Sensing real educational inadequacy issues here new [re: power2charm]  

So I'd better tread carefully. This latest post of yours is such a jumble of half-baked notions and misunderstood concepts I could probably write 5000 words deconstructing it, but who has that sort of time?

So you'll have to make do with this.

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I don't see any metaphorical leaps in this here chicken coop (do you recognize I've just made a metaphor?). I don't see any figurative leaps for that matter, which is what I suspect you meant.


You seem to think you're talking about two different things here. You do realize that metaphorical and figurative are synonymous in this context?

And no figurative leap??? No? So you think I literally leaped from England to New England? I appreciate you consider me someone of many talents, but I can assure you the ability to jump across oceans breaking the world long jump record by thousands of miles is not one of them.

Nice attempt at a filibuster on the correct answer once it finally dawned on you though.

Your floundering attempts to be seen to continue the exchange long past the point it was clear to anyone with half a brain that you'd got your ass kicked suggests your pride won't allow you to admit defeat, so here's an alternative if you think having the last word makes you look better somehow. Now might be a good time to say something like "Oh, I refuse to argue with you any more, you don't understand". Bonus points if you allude to my gender or hair color.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/12/06 05:58 PM
No need to be rude, dear. new [re: Shelle]  

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You seem to think you're talking about two different things here. You do realize that metaphorical and figurative are synonymous in this context?


I realize while metaphors are figurative language, they are only one kind. So the two words are not identical nor interchangeable, except that you may say a metaphor is a specific type of figurative speech.

I have mildly noted you didn't use a metaphor earlier (or make a metaphorical leap), and you have refused to acknowledge that you didn't. Can 'New England' be used figuratively for the 'United States'? Yes, but those of us who live in New England, the region, will naturally assume you are using the term literally unless you do a better job making your intent clear. I think 'the Colonies' would have worked better in this regard. But it's a non-issue since you earlier denied that that was the reference point of your "metaphorical leap." What were you talking about then? Who the hell knows (your good self included)!

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And no figurative leap??? No? So you think I literally leaped from England to New England?


The word 'leap' is not the point of contention. The phrase of contention, once more: "Figgers though that the Brits had that touch of class before it started to catch on in New England." ~Shelle

Seems to me like you are either obfuscating or you've become confused.

As for your introductory and final paragraphs: All the bluster and bloviating you can muster will not "win" arguments with me. You seem to think it a point of import if one of us admits defeat. Why is that? If you make a rational case for your comment being metaphorical then I'll accept it, and I'd hope you would do the same. But my hope would be in vain, I see.

So no, I will not "stop arguing" with you, as you predict. You came on this thread to dispute a minor point, and you've since skipped around trying to save face. We apparently don't have the same reasons for being here.

If you toddle off this thread to make a new enemies list, Shelle, I'll completely understand. All of TW will.

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Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy

Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/13/06 02:13 PM
You think you've got the patent on rude, snookums? new [re: power2charm]  

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I have mildly noted you didn't use a metaphor earlier (or make a metaphorical leap),



OK, lemme spell this out for you as simply as I can. I metaphorically leaped from England to New England. I did not literally leap, but by moving from considering that the cactus was a common house plant in England to that it was not in New England, I made a metaphorical leap. This is a correct usage of the phrase "metaphorical leap", and you can leap up and down, metaphorically or otherwise, shouting "Ignoramus!" as much as you like without altering this.

That said, you don't need to get all defensive about losing your place on my Enemies List. Your place there is quite secure for as long as you continue to exhibit less intelligence or ability to tickle me than Emil, or Anisette, or Marquis. Your use of the bewildered berating rant as a method of "flirtation" falls comfortably within the orbit of low level stupidity.

As for coming here for different reasons, surely you didn't just figure that out this very instant? I should have thought I made it abundantly clear I don't consider the best way to show how intelligent I am or am not to be to go to a Bowie board and post what I boast are definitive interpretations of Bowie's obscurantist lyrics while considering such meaty matters as whether Clara is a name better suited to a daughter of Tom or Jerry.

Now cheer up. I made it all the way thru that last post of yours which is a first you can celebrate for the rest of your days. I'm sure you'll agree that it's like getting laid, only much better.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/13/06 06:22 PM
Yes, you're being rude, dear! new [re: Shelle]  

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I metaphorically leaped from England to New England. I did not literally leap, but by moving from considering that the cactus was a common house plant in England to that it was not in New England, I made a metaphorical leap. (emphasis mine)


Firstly, you employed the phrase when I assumed you'd "researched" my posts or profile to determine my general whereabouts. I thought you had tailored your insult, but you said, no, "I was merely making a metaphorical leap from Bowie's England (where cacti were in vogue) to New England." So the issue was, in what sense were you using the term New England. This renders your quoted (bolded) explanation above non-sensical.

You keep speaking about literal versus figurative leaps - as if I'd questioned your use of the word leap. The word leap is not at issue. What is at issue is whether the New England comment was a metaphorical leap, or even a figurative one.

Furthermore, The movement of fads or fashion from one country to another is never figurative. It either happens or it doesn't. Also note, fads are incorporeal, so when they literally travel, or leap - as you are so fixated upon repeating - they do not do so by packing their bags and booking passage on the QE2. This simple notion seems to perplex you, as you apparently believe it makes any reference to their migration metaphorical (when, in fact, it is *not* metaphorical or figurative).

I suspect you don't care about any of this but are using it as a pretext to bait me into a bickerfest, hence your final three paragraphs. I think it's more fun, however, to observe you exposing what a silly fool you are again and again, so I'll demur on scattering petulant, attention-seeking insults about the boards. That's really more your style than mine.

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I made it all the way thru that last post of yours which is a first.


This explains why our discussion is not progressing. Well, that and the fact you don't know what the hell a metaphor is.

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Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy

Shelle
(cracked actor)
01/13/06 06:29 PM
No, I'm just telling it like it is new [re: power2charm]  

Are you really this dumb?

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Firstly, you employed the phrase when I assumed you'd "researched" my posts or profile to determine my general whereabouts. I thought you had tailored your insult, but you said, no, "I was merely making a metaphorical leap from Bowie's England (where cacti were in vogue) to New England." So the issue was, in what sense were you using the term New England.


Don't be retarded. In the phrase "making a metaphorical leap from place X to place Y", "metaphorical" relates to the leap, not to place Y. All that other context stuff is in your own illogical mind, not mine.

If I said "I had a nice walk from the park to the train station", would you immediately start arguing about whether the train station was nice or not?

Then again, you probably would.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/13/06 06:58 PM
Even though it's complicated, I've got time.... new [re: Shelle]  

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"making a metaphorical leap from place X to place Y", "metaphorical" relates to the leap, not to place Y. All that other context stuff is in your own illogical mind, not mine.


1) Too bad for you, Shelle - the "context stuff" is actually in plain view on this thread for everyone to see. Why did you make the "leap" comment? Because I said that you must have been researching my posts to know I lived in NE.
2) Yes, metaphorical modifies leap, and *you* put the two words together to describe the comment I questioned. You simply do not understand how to use the phrase or what it even means. Thanks for clarifying your ignorance.
3) Even if you meant that the meta-leap was in reference to the movement of the cacti fad to New England, I previously explained that fads don't make metaphorical leaps. Perhaps you should go back and read my entire post, as tiresome as that might be.

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If I said "I had a nice walk from the park to the train station", would you immediately start arguing about whether the train station was nice or not?


There's no metaphor in that sentence either. If you claimed there was, we'd have a little chat about it, yes.


____
Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy


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