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power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/08/06 01:32 PM
The Clara Question: Where's the litterbox??? new [re: zigbot]  

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can see that, carsten. Now you're opening up the age-old debate of whether Clara is a cat or dog.


I say she's a dog. We have two bits of information about the animal: Her name, and her response to the spinning mobile.

To the name - it's a name I would associate with a dog and not a cat. Cats are generally given names like Whiskers or Mr. Boots or Mittens. Dogs are much more likely to receive out-of-fashion human names like Clara or Beuxregard or Carsten.

To the animal's action - cats never put their heads between their paws. That's what dogs do when they are in a state of fear. A cat, if afraid, will leap away and hide.

Okay, now that that issue is put to bed, I've read somewhere that the lyrics owe a lot to T.S. Eliot's The Wasteland. That's a long and complicated poem, so I have nothing to add in confirmation or exception. I think dizzy's interp is a fair place to start. Why do you think, td, that Bowie chose the cactus as his primary representation of nature? After all, it is a plant that thrives where no other plant can. It also would seem a strange choice given that the cactus is not a popular decorative plant in urban homes and apartments.

I rather think the point of the lyrics is to draw man's cities as desert places - devoid of verdancy. Forgive my heresy, Mr. Dizzy.

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Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy

Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/08/06 01:45 PM
Re: The Clara Question: Where's the litterbox??? new [re: power2charm]  

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It also would seem a strange choice given that the cactus is not a popular decorative plant in urban homes and apartments



Bullhooey; it's long been popular with those of us with a touch of class.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
01/08/06 01:48 PM
Re: The Clara Question: Where's the litterbox??? new [re: Shelle]  

Especially in the 70s, Cacti were very popular in the UK.

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Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/08/06 02:05 PM
Re: The Clara Question: Where's the litterbox??? new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

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Especially in the 70s, Cacti were very popular in the UK.



Shame I didn't realize that before I posted. I could really have convinced Anikin that I'm a Brit.

Figgers though that the Brits had that touch of class before it started to catch on in New England.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/08/06 10:00 PM
Where's Peter when you need him? new [re: Shelle]  

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Figgers though that the Brits had that touch of class before it started to catch on in New England.


So now you're "researching" me, huh? I didn't even post my location in my profile so you must have have really rolled up your sleeves.

That's okay, of course, but I suppose this means I'm officially not boring anymore.

I realize that cacti are not unheard of as decorative plants. But this is EIGHT LINE Poem...meaning it only has eight lines, so if Bowie wanted to say something about a TYPICAL houseplant, he'd choose a fern or something you'd see in a TYPICAL home.

When I capitalize, Shelle, I'm not yelling at you - I'm just trying to guide a point through the very dense fog, if you know what I mean.

So why a cactus?

Tactful cactus - pleasing alliteration.

Prairie of your room - only certain scrubby plants live on the prairie.

My main point again - Bowie paints a sketch of our urban world as a barren place, both in our homes and in the public shops.

It's probably better for you to flirt with me in Coffee Shop, Shelle. Interpretation is a serious forum where weighty matters are discussed.

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Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy

Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/09/06 02:31 PM
Tied up with a pair of my panties in his mouth new [re: power2charm]  

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So now you're "researching" me, huh? I didn't even post my location in my profile so you must have have really rolled up your sleeves.

That's okay, of course, but I suppose this means I'm officially not boring anymore.



Whahuh? Am I to take it from this outburst of completely unwarranted pride that you're from New England? Cuz if you are, it's news to me. I certainly wasn't asking. I thought I read somewhere you were from Texas or somewhere, but I might be confusing you with someone else dull.

I was merely making a metaphorical leap from Bowie's England (where cacti were in vogue) to New England. See how that works?

So sorry to piss on your parade, I suppose I should be more supportive since my approval clearly means so much to you. And although a therapist told me once my weakness for pathetic needy men was just that, a weakness, old habits die hard, so I will say this.

I got about quarter way thru that last post of yours, as far as where you shared the incredible insight that eight line poems have eight lines.

That's a new record.

So you're clearly improving in your desperate attempts to appeal to me.

Keep it up, snookums.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


power2charm
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/09/06 08:01 PM
Surveying the prairie of Shelle's brain new [re: Shelle]  

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I was merely making a metaphorical leap from Bowie's England (where cacti were in vogue) to New England. See how that works?


What I see is that you don't understand metaphors very well. You took poetic license, and it didn't work because, yes, I'm one of the 15 million people who reside in the region of the U.S. known as New England. And of course you knew that.

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And although a therapist told me once my weakness for pathetic needy men was just that, a weakness, old habits die hard, so I will say this....


Shelle, let me stop you here. I would be a bad person to the core if I got in the way of your therapy. Please heed your doctor's diagnosis and avoid me, the needy p2c, from this point forward. (FYI, the diagnosis was the talking the doctor did right before he fingered you).

So who's up for some Eight Line Poem? Shelle won't be interrupting anymore.

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Kid, you've paid your dues...dues and dues. ~J. Tweedy

Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/10/06 11:59 AM
The Laughing Gnome of Interpretation new [re: power2charm]  

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Shelle won't be interrupting anymore.


Har, you really don't understand much about human nature, do you?

Also, you might want to take some time to ponder the difference between the phrase "metaphorical leap" and the simple concept of a metaphor before you start lecturing other more finely tuned minds who understand them better than you do.


He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


Marquis
(acolyte)
01/10/06 05:56 PM
Clara-fication new [re: power2charm]  

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I say she's a dog.


Ooh, I thoroughly disagree. "Clara" seems much more cat-like to me. I'm also not convinced that putting her head between her paws is necessarily a fearful reaction to the spinning collision of the mobile.

bitch niggaz talk behind ya back like a catcher
either M-Y-O-B or B-Y-O stretcher


Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
01/10/06 06:04 PM
Re: Clara-fication new [re: Marquis]  

I always thought of it as the cat just relaxing.

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