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th0mas
(acolyte)
03/11/04 02:07 PM
Re: Bowie's Thoughts on Madonna new [re: Adam]  

hehe, i showed this to a madonna fan and he couldn't laugh about it at all :-))
on the other hand madonna is certainly more often played these days than bowie was at the beginning of the 90ies - though madonna kept shapeshifting (unfortunatly this includes getting back into the shape of a sexsymbol which slightly starts look rediculous like a german schlager singer...).

"Have you tried... not being a mutant?"

AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
04/22/04 00:00 AM
Where's Lucy? new [re: th0mas]  

'Lucy' could be a veiled reference to Madonna's middle name 'Louise'.

Or maybe not.

Perhaps there is a link via Rosanna Arquette?

In 1992, Arquette played alongside Bowie in the film The Linguini Incident - about the same time this song was written.

She played the character LUCY, a failing escape artist.

Now in terms of films, Arquette is inseperable from Madonna as they both played lead roles in Madonna first film - Desperately Seeking Susan.

Could Lucy Can't Dance be partially written from Rosanna's perspective (who died and made you material girl)? I don't know enough about her to say.





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Coan_teen
(cracked actor)
04/22/04 00:14 AM
Re: Where's Lucy? new [re: Adam]  

You know, this thread didn't come up when I ran a search (and for once in my life, I ran a search before I posted). Maybe I didn't set the time back long enough or something.

Now I feel silly.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
04/22/04 00:43 AM
Re: Where's Lucy? new [re: Coan_teen]  

These things happen. It would be nice if the default search option was set to "all posts" or the moderators had an option to do a thread merge (as in latter versions of the software).

Your thread prompted me to post further on the subject so it was a toss up as to where to put it.



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Cucumber
(crash course raver)
04/22/04 01:24 AM
Re: Bowie's Thoughts on Madonna new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

7. "Who died and made you material girl?" is the public sacrificing of Bowie and making way for the material girl.



Madonna's mother died when she was just a kid. She left home when she was only 16 because she didn't get along with her father very well.

"The time is sublime and the moon is so right"




ulfdub
(grinning soul)
04/22/04 01:55 AM
Re: Lucy Can't Dance new [re: Tyger_Lily]  

i did the same test at our local used cd store (where i get all my non bowie boots). I played the bonus disc of the BTWN 3 disc set and everyone was grooving to it! One couple who came in said that it was the best thing they had ever heard played in the store. Another educated gentleman was stopped dead by the the indonesian vocals (having spent some time there) and did not really appreciate the depth of Bowie's genious prior to hearing this disc. Even young kids looking for tool and insane clown posse were bopping to LUCY!
I, of course, made the connection to madonna just by hearing the lyrics. I agree with a statement by tony visconti in WEST 57th (1987)..."David breaks the new ground, he creates the musical territory...others come along behind him and do it a little bit more slick, a little more commercial, and they get all the credit for it". I cannot blame david for reminding listeners (no matter how subtely) that he is the innovator.
I see "who died and made you material girl" as a reference to the fact that he was back in business.
He got his wish when Madonna gave him those "few simple words like i love you (DAVID) i need you" at the hall of fame induction. By the way, did you know madonna released a cd entitled DANCE?
I don't think that lucy is the greatest song on the album, but I do LOVE it! and I agree that,if shortened, it would have been a succes in America.
"howls like a wolf"



AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
04/22/04 03:44 AM
hanging by the cross and nail new [re: Cucumber]  

That's certainly a possibility.

To explain more about my interpretation, I think the 'who died and made you material girl' line is Bowie admitting his death as a popular artist. Following Tin Machine II, Bowie's commercial stock for new records was at his lowest ever. More importantly, his commercial and artistic death had already made way for Madonna to become the sole fomenter of the shape shifting rock n roller - the 'chameleon' as people had labelled him previously. When Bowie died, Madonna could be made, but he himself was unhappy with the creation because the music simply wasn't there for him. There's also some terrific religous overtones to that line - in fact, the more I think about it, it's probably among the top 10 individual lines he's ever written.

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ulfdub
(grinning soul)
04/22/04 04:05 AM
Re: hanging by the cross and nail new [re: Adam]  

i agree completely with your interpretation, including BOWIE'S "death". Even I unplugged when he joined Tin Machine (what an Idiot!) I now revere my Tin Machine Boots almost above all others, but the point that BOWIE died in a sense is far too true, opening up the way for madonna to ascend.
Also, I believe that David wanted to be acknowledged as a major artist by madonna, much as he points back to his sources in his own work. I also agree that david did not want to re-emerge as a "mainstream artist" having taken Reeves to heart, so it is unlikely that he would have put lucy out as a single if he felt it had that kind of potential.
It is interesting to note David's own words about singles from MTV Rockumentary (1990) "I'm an album artist.I don't get singles,fame was my least favourite song on young americans"
That could also play a part.
Lastly, let me add that I love the various mixes from Black tie,
I have several 12" dj singles and i think that experimentation, if you will help broaden his horizons long before Earthling, into wonderful techno rythms,and unlikely partnerships.I think BTWN deserves a second evaluation. I adore it.
wolf in a trap



diamondogz74
(stardust savant)
04/22/04 05:19 AM
Re: Bowie's Thoughts on Madonna new [re: th0mas]  

RE: like a german schlager singer

A wonderful analogy, its made my morning

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diamondogz74
(stardust savant)
04/22/04 05:25 AM
Re: Lucy Can't Dance new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

I actually adore this album, for very many reasons.

Obviously its beautiful in its concept and very romantic, and Ronno played on a track.

Is Bowie taking the micky with Lucy? yes i'd say he is

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