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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
04/17/06 08:47 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

<<doesn't translate>>

Does this include concert bootlegs? Whether good fidelity or bad.

bfp



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/17/06 09:34 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Having been somewhat forced to re-evaluate my anti-live album stance, it has occured to me that if the live version of a song is significantly different than the studio version (on purpose), I do tend to enjoy it. Like the S2S Tour version of Queen Bitch, which I think is far superior to the original. I guess what I should really be saying is that I don't like to hear stuff that sounds almost exactly like something I've heard somewhere else.

This might be a backpedal, I don't know. I think it simply shows that I'm able to re-think past statements. Looking at the live albums I own of Daddy's as well as other people's, the key seems to be that the more it intends to try to sound like the original the less I like it and vice-versa. This is universally the case as far as I can tell.

And if anyone's wondering, one-off live songs like "My Death" do nothing for me. I don't usually listen to them. This also probably explains why I enjoy the live resurrections of old favorites that Daddy was eager to twist into the sound of Outside and Earthling. It's the failed musician in me, I think.

I never said that it made any sense, I'm just saying what my tastes are. I'm not so sure I understand it, myself.

BWW uses the word "nigger" liberally

MaxwellS
(grinning soul)
04/17/06 10:52 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

I don't /hate/ any of 'em. At the risk of raising the heckles of ... nearly everybody here, I haven't listened to ; Tonight, NLMD, Tin Machine I, Outside, Heathen. And yes, I am a Bowie fan.

So, from my low vantage point lemme say that I can't believe any true fan would hate Space Oddity - i love it for its lyricism ( Cygnet Committee and others ) and there are some damned good tunes. He almost does Dylan better than Dylan did at the time.

It's the start of six ( including PinUps ) albums which collectively were in the British charts for umpteen weeks.

And sure, Let's Dance has low-points, but how can you /hate/ Modern Love, Let's Dance, China Girl? Yeah, Iggy did the first better, but there you go.

Ok, my two cents has run out.

all of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars

russellmael
(crash course raver)
04/18/06 04:53 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: MaxwellS]  

What's that bit about 6 albums being in the chart?



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/18/06 05:04 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: MaxwellS]  

So Maxwell, am I correct to assume that it is your contention that anyone who disagrees with charts and/or your opinion on music is either "not a true fan" or just wrong? Because you make it sound that way.

Just so you know.

BWW uses the word "nigger" liberally

fatwhiteduke
(wild eyed peoploid)
04/18/06 05:43 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I think the whole live album recording thing is quite embarrassing sometimes.

It's just the same old stuff sung without the polishing of a studio and regurgitated to make a few pennies.

Having said that, Stage will always be my favourite live album of Bowie. Perhaps because the visuals during the actual tour weren't there as they were for Diamond Dogs and Ziggy or indeed the 80s shows and Glass Spider even.

That's why I think David Live is awful. There was interaction and interplay on-stage. You don't get the skull-chat of Cracked Actor or the boxing ring of Panic In Detroit or the cherry picker of Space Oddity (for the latter we don't get it at all, in fact). You just hear the croaky-cokey voice of David with no sense of situation at all.

Having heard very few StationToStation tour recordings, and the ones I have heard were adequate, I think Stage takes the trophy (and I've said this on here before) because of its sheer professional recording technique.

I've heard live gigs from Robbie Williams, The Cure, Queen, Iron Maiden and suchlike and it all lacks the visuals - that's 50% (at least) of why you go to concerts anyway, surely?

Bowie has always been a visual recording artist and that's why his non-studio album work doesn't do itself justice, in the main.

Perhaps it serves to remind those who were there what it was like to be there - certainly that can be said of The Motion Picture soundtrack.

It's like listening to radio reportage of the shooting of JFK and then watching it overdubbed onto the Zapruder film. The difference is stark.



th0mas
(acolyte)
04/18/06 05:45 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

I'm generally not a fan of live music anyways.


Perhaps one problem might be that Bowie's studio album already have some mood of imperfection so a live version does not deliver much change when the only difference is that is played live. If you listen to Sting's performances there is already a huge difference since his concerts don't suffer from the same over-perfection as the albums so there is a completly different drive in them. Bowie - especially the reality tracks - in the worst case might deliver just a worse album version. Still I think a good mixing and a well done camera work makes a huge difference in getting across the "live" feeling and therefore it is also a matter of 5.1 or not 5.1.



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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/18/06 05:49 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

therefore it is also a matter of 5.1 or not 5.1


Could be. I wouldn't know, my equipment is rather shitty.

BWW uses the word "nigger" liberally

russellmael
(crash course raver)
04/18/06 05:57 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Live albums are quite worthy... electric, exciting... use your imagination. Contractual obligations maybe, but when done right can be great testiments to the artist.





diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/18/06 06:56 AM
Netflix review. new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

As I said in a review on Netflix for the Reality DVD:


Can you provide us with your review please?


London Bye Ta-Ta...


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